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By Nausi 2019-11-15 11:07:20
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Another baseless accusation no doubt.
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By Nausi 2019-11-15 11:10:42
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Yovanovitch has NO FIRST HAND KNOWLEDGE of the call and is literally ONLY complaining about Trump's foreign policy...

The president sets foreign policy, not the intel community or the state department.

Case closed.
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By Ragnarok.Ozment 2019-11-15 11:17:43
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...and Roger Stone was just found guilty. That is bound to have a profound impact on the impeachment proceedings, since Trump stands accused having a foreign country interfere in the 2020 presidential election.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2019-11-15 11:46:42
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Trump literally just engaged in witness intimidation during the testimony, add that to the impeachment articles. Please, keep live tweeting attacks on the witnesses, dummy.

Unless she was checking Twitter in the middle of her testimony, I fail to see how she could have been intimidated.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2019-11-15 11:52:44
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Oh crap, I forgot. This is the American Left. They get offended and intimidated by proxy. Kind of like how the actual Ukrainians that Trump "pressured" say they felt no pressure, but we're going to base an impeachment around the assumption that they did.
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By Asura.Saevel 2019-11-15 11:58:50
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Nausi said: »
New transcript is out of Trump’s first call with Zelensky.

In his first conversation with Zelensky, Trump invited him to visit the WH, so there goes the Democrat talking point that Trump was dangling a WH meeting as leverage to get Zelensky to investigate its meddling in our 2016 elections.

Lefties are lying to you about what evidence they have.

They have no evidence, only hearsay.

Glorious lol, and I bet President Trump did that on purpose. It's a negotiating tactic that you never put everyone out in the open and always keep stuff in reserve to be used later in the negotiation. Dude has weaponized negotiations lol.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2019-11-15 12:11:08
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Every witness from these public hearings summed up:

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By Nausi 2019-11-15 12:26:00
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Bahamut.Ravael said: »
Viciouss said: »
Trump literally just engaged in witness intimidation during the testimony, add that to the impeachment articles. Please, keep live tweeting attacks on the witnesses, dummy.

Unless she was checking Twitter in the middle of her testimony, I fail to see how she could have been intimidated.
Lol Trump is supposed to permit them to inpeach him!
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By Nausi 2019-11-15 12:30:36
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Lol lefties are so mad over being let down yet again. They’re pivoting to more nonsense. Trump tweeting is now witness tampering?

The salt is real today folks.
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By Nausi 2019-11-15 12:36:07
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Ragnarok.Ozment said: »
...and Roger Stone was just found guilty. That is bound to have a profound impact on the impeachment proceedings, since Trump stands accused having a foreign country interfere in the 2020 presidential election.
Process crimes have nothing to do with impeachment, please stay on topic.
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By Nausi 2019-11-15 12:37:21
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Here’s what today is looking like.

"Hi Marie Yovanovitch. Great resume, agreed. Do you have any evidence of crimes by our President?"

"No"

"Thank you. Next."
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By Asura.Saevel 2019-11-15 12:38:47
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So was thinking, earlier there was the testimony from one of the Obama state guys about the non-standard communications channel. At first it seems weird, but then think about it, all these guys are Obama folks / Democrats who immediately leak anything to the WaPo and actively work against the US Government. It would be stupid to ~not~ have a secondary channel to circumvent interference and prevent leaks from known Obama entities. These guys aren't government workers, they are Democrats who happen to hold government positions.

So yeah hearing that there was a secondary communications channel, one the Democrats can't infiltrate or manipulate, makes sense and hows that the President knows what he's doing.
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By Nausi 2019-11-15 12:47:59
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Yep. The deep state is real, out to get Trump, and has been since day 1. The idea that he would willingly include them on all his foreign policy is ridiculous. They work for him and he is not obligated to include people looking to destroy him in his policy decisions.
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By Viciouss 2019-11-15 12:48:53
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None of these people are "Obama folks." They are 20+ year career officials. If anything, Sondland is definitely a Trump guy. Keep making stuff up tho guys.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2019-11-15 12:52:57
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Impeachment is clearly taking its toll, though. Trump's RCP approval rating aggregate has already recovered and isn't far off from its high mark.

This whole process is just unfair. The people being polled are being completely inconsiderate of the Democrats who has spent so much of their valuable time and taxpayer dollars to take down the President. It's almost as if they don't give a Schiff.
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By Ragnarok.Ozment 2019-11-15 12:57:42
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Bahamut.Ravael said: »
This whole process is just unfair.

Aw, it'll be okay. Once this goes to the senate, chances are it won't get the 67 votes and Trump will remain in office.
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By Ragnarok.Ozment 2019-11-15 12:58:52
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Nausi said: »
Yep. The deep state is real, out to get Trump, and has been since day 1. The idea that he would willingly include them on all his foreign policy is ridiculous. They work for him and he is not obligated to include people looking to destroy him in his policy decisions.

This thread is for impeachment discussion, stay on topic please.
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By Ragnarok.Ozment 2019-11-15 12:59:59
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Asura.Saevel said: »
So was thinking, earlier there was the testimony from one of the Obama state guys about the non-standard communications channel. At first it seems weird, but then think about it, all these guys are Obama folks / Democrats who immediately leak anything to the WaPo and actively work against the US Government. It would be stupid to ~not~ have a secondary channel to circumvent interference and prevent leaks from known Obama entities. These guys aren't government workers, they are Democrats who happen to hold government positions.

So yeah hearing that there was a secondary communications channel, one the Democrats can't infiltrate or manipulate, makes sense and hows that the President knows what he's doing.

They were in office pre-Obama.
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By Nausi 2019-11-15 13:02:50
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In other impeachment news. Senator Ron Johnson is preparing to Subpoena Adam Schiff, The Whistleblower, Joe Biden and Hunter Biden.
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By Nausi 2019-11-15 13:03:45
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Ragnarok.Ozment said: »
Nausi said: »
Yep. The deep state is real, out to get Trump, and has been since day 1. The idea that he would willingly include them on all his foreign policy is ridiculous. They work for him and he is not obligated to include people looking to destroy him in his policy decisions.

This thread is for impeachment discussion, stay on topic please.
That IS on topic. That relates to the testimony given by Yovanovitch.
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By Ragnarok.Ozment 2019-11-15 13:06:57
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Nausi said: »
Ragnarok.Ozment said: »
Nausi said: »
Yep. The deep state is real, out to get Trump, and has been since day 1. The idea that he would willingly include them on all his foreign policy is ridiculous. They work for him and he is not obligated to include people looking to destroy him in his policy decisions.

This thread is for impeachment discussion, stay on topic please.
That IS on topic. That relates to the testimony given by Yovanovitch.

Wrong! Let's keep this discussion about the impeachment, not the "deep state" wacky conspiracy.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2019-11-15 13:12:24
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Nausi said: »
Ragnarok.Ozment said: »
Nausi said: »
Yep. The deep state is real, out to get Trump, and has been since day 1. The idea that he would willingly include them on all his foreign policy is ridiculous. They work for him and he is not obligated to include people looking to destroy him in his policy decisions.

This thread is for impeachment discussion, stay on topic please.
That IS on topic. That relates to the testimony given by Yovanovitch.

Arguing with the thread creator. I see this ending well.
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By Viciouss 2019-11-15 13:14:22
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Bahamut.Ravael said: »
Nausi said: »
Ragnarok.Ozment said: »
Nausi said: »
Yep. The deep state is real, out to get Trump, and has been since day 1. The idea that he would willingly include them on all his foreign policy is ridiculous. They work for him and he is not obligated to include people looking to destroy him in his policy decisions.

This thread is for impeachment discussion, stay on topic please.
That IS on topic. That relates to the testimony given by Yovanovitch.

Arguing with the thread creator. I see this ending well.

Yea, nothing is going to happen to him.
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By Ragnarok.Ozment 2019-11-15 13:16:21
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Bahamut.Ravael said: »
Nausi said: »
Ragnarok.Ozment said: »
Nausi said: »
Yep. The deep state is real, out to get Trump, and has been since day 1. The idea that he would willingly include them on all his foreign policy is ridiculous. They work for him and he is not obligated to include people looking to destroy him in his policy decisions.

This thread is for impeachment discussion, stay on topic please.
That IS on topic. That relates to the testimony given by Yovanovitch.

Arguing with the thread creator. I see this ending well.

What do you think about this impeachment Rava? It'll be interesting to see Trump being grilled under oath once it reaches the Senate, don't you agree?
 
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By Viciouss 2019-11-15 13:21:35
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What do you think about this impeachment Rava? It'll be interesting to see Trump being grilled under oath once it reaches the Senate, don't you agree?

Let's be real, it's not going to happen. Moscow Mitch will just dismiss it before it's started.

Can't happen. John Roberts will be calling all the shots.
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By Viciouss 2019-11-15 13:22:58
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They are already saying it could be a 6-8 week Senate trial. They aren't even going near the idea of Trump taking the stand yet. But that discussion will happen.
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By Ragnarok.Ozment 2019-11-15 13:26:37
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They are already saying it could be a 6-8 week Senate trial. They aren't even going near the idea of Trump taking the stand yet. But that discussion will happen.

Well, I hope Trump takes the stand. I can't imagine him not perjuring himself.
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By Ragnarok.Ozment 2019-11-15 13:35:24
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Bahamut.Ravael said: »
Nausi said: »
Ragnarok.Ozment said: »
Nausi said: »
Yep. The deep state is real, out to get Trump, and has been since day 1. The idea that he would willingly include them on all his foreign policy is ridiculous. They work for him and he is not obligated to include people looking to destroy him in his policy decisions.

This thread is for impeachment discussion, stay on topic please.
That IS on topic. That relates to the testimony given by Yovanovitch.

Arguing with the thread creator. I see this ending well.

I didn't even know about this thread! I thought once the other one was shut down...that was it. But just like you, I too have a lil birdy. BUT, just like a whistleblower in an impeachment inquiry, they will remain anonymous...for protection purposes of course.
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By Asura.Saevel 2019-11-15 13:37:25
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Nausi said: »
Yep. The deep state is real, out to get Trump, and has been since day 1. The idea that he would willingly include them on all his foreign policy is ridiculous. They work for him and he is not obligated to include people looking to destroy him in his policy decisions.

I wouldn't use the term "deep state", it's from a conspiratorial point of view and thats not whats happening. "Deep State" is just what happens when government bureaucracy gets involved in national politics. Remember government workers are people too, they have political beliefs, they vote, they have one of the biggest unions in the USA and they have party affiliations. Now when you have a diverse split among them, then politics never enters into, but when one party dominates the bureaucracy then it's possible for that bureaucracy to become corrupt.

The Democrats just happen to be the ones running the government from the inside right now, traditionally it's been the Republicans. Look at Eisenhower, the "red scare" and all the silliness with Nixon to see the shoe being on the other foot.
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