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FL Bill Would Imprison TSs for Using Bathrooms
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By Lakshmi.Saevel 2015-02-08 18:00:59
Men and Women restrooms, now considered racial segregation?
Your oppressing them. Your forcing those poor oppressed discriminated LGBQOG (they keep adding letters) to go use the restroom that has a different label on it then they feel like being today. If Brad-who-became-Sally has to use a room marked "Mens" or with an obviously male indicator, it could send his poor fragile psyche into shock and inflict dramatic trauma onto him/her/it.
On a most honest note, this is just more progressive "newspeak". They are trying to push an agenda that states there are no biological differences between men and women.
If a human has a penis they are male, if they have a vagina they are female and the extremely rare few who have both are hermaphrodites and have a surgery to remove one or the other. It doesn't matter what someone "feels" or "identifies" as, if they have a penis and are capable of peeing while standing then they use the "gentlemens" restroom where other humans who are capable of peeing while standing use. If the human doesn't have a penis and is forced to sit down or squat to piss, then they use the restroom marked "ladies" restroom where other humans who must sit down go. We have done it this way because, as a human, urinating / defecating makes one naturally vulnerable and we've long since evolved instincts around that, females especially. Separating the genders was a cost effective compromise, mens restrooms could be equipped with cheaper urinals that accommodate more men in the same space while women's restrooms would provide them privacy and security they desire.
I don't give a flying f*ck what some socialist country in Europe is doing, if someone in the USA feels so strongly about European, well anything, they need to pack up and emigrate. If someone is already a European, then why the f*ck are they talking about US politics and laws, they are the peanut gallery who's opinions are less then meaningless (they don't have a vote). This assumption that anything "European" is automatically superior is sickening.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2015-02-08 18:03:12
What should eunuchs use?
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By Lakshmi.Saevel 2015-02-08 18:03:35
Obviously post-op, so females. Unless she's still packing a penis, then it's to the little boys room and mess with the heads of the guys in there.
There is nothing you can post that will shock or move me in the slightest. I've seen things far more bizarre and have long elected to go with the "f*ck it whatever" route.
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By Cerberus.Anjisnu 2015-02-08 18:09:47
whichever one i am not in will do
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By Bloodrose 2015-02-08 18:10:52
God forbid you get a *** watching a lady stand up and piss through a penis because she has nice ***.
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By Cerberus.Anjisnu 2015-02-08 18:13:29
not my point lol i will drive another hundred miles to find an empty bathroom
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By Cerberus.Anjisnu 2015-02-08 18:14:31
i don't typically want any penis or vagina near me when n the restroom
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By Bloodrose 2015-02-08 18:17:04
It wasn't really in response to you.
Considering your stance and what I do already know, you have every reason to be a germaphobe.
And other people are just really irked when they know someone else is in the bathroom with them, and they "clog up" as it were.
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By Cerberus.Anjisnu 2015-02-08 18:17:13
God forbid you get a *** watching a lady stand up and piss through a penis because she has nice ***. something with that much forehead shall never cause even a twitch betwixt mine legs
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By Cerberus.Anjisnu 2015-02-08 18:19:08
also was a paramedic in west hollyweird i've been sharted upon by a heroin o.d everything lost shock value that day
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By Bloodrose 2015-02-08 18:19:37
Damn, your life must be empty without porn.
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By Cerberus.Anjisnu 2015-02-08 18:22:47
the first house i started to buy was in a good neighborhood from 8am-6pm and then 3 of the houses were used to film porn lol i swear mustache+leather = guys name is always randy or darrel
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By Cerberus.Anjisnu 2015-02-08 18:28:05
obviously they shouldn't use a bathroom because they don't have the proper equipment
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By Garuda.Chanti 2015-02-08 18:33:01
Obviously post-op, so females. Unless she's still packing a penis, then it's to the little boys room and mess with the heads of the guys in there.
There is nothing you can post that will shock or move me in the slightest. I've seen things far more bizarre and have long elected to go with the "f*ck it whatever" route. How can you say Quote: Obviously post-op, so females. She is wearing clothing. Quote: Unless she's still packing a penis is the DEFINITION of pre op.
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By Odin.Jassik 2015-02-08 18:38:01
Obviously post-op, so females. Unless she's still packing a penis, then it's to the little boys room and mess with the heads of the guys in there.
There is nothing you can post that will shock or move me in the slightest. I've seen things far more bizarre and have long elected to go with the "f*ck it whatever" route. How can you say Quote: Obviously post-op, so females. She is wearing clothing. Quote: Unless she's still packing a penis is the DEFINITION of pre op.
And she is more out of place in the mens' room than the womens' room. Unless you're considering spending the night with her, why would you care whether she's pre-op or post-op?
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By Odin.Jassik 2015-02-08 18:44:14
You may not, but stereotypically, others half-*** the safety of someone else's family every day.
Which is the crux of the problem for good contractors.
The bad ones want to make a quick buck, lie, cheat, steal, and leave ***worse than before they touched it.
I know it happens, I spent a decade in automotive and I've seen plenty of tech's bang something out focusing only on getting it done and not getting it done right. I have always felt there are 2 ways to do things: the right way, and again.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-02-08 19:40:03
I don't give a flying f*ck what some socialist country in Europe is doing, if someone in the USA feels so strongly about European, well anything, they need to pack up and emigrate. If someone is already a European, then why the f*ck are they talking about US politics and laws, they are the peanut gallery who's opinions are less then meaningless (they don't have a vote). This assumption that anything "European" is automatically superior is sickening. Whoa there champ, who brought Europe into this discussion?
I said my opinion on the matter doesn't matter as it does not apply to me. I was just trying to clear up the disconnect between malicious intent versus being allowed to be uncomfortable, essentially. Although it did derail a little.
I'm not in a country that's apart of the socialist EU countries. As a matter of fact Serbia was hardcore socialist and communist until only recently (2000ish). They decided to move in a better direction, a market economy.
However, if someone else brought this up in the discussion, then I missed it. While I refuse to block anyone, I do skip posts from certain people if they type a lot from time to time.
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By fonewear 2015-02-08 19:52:01
I live in America where MLK dreamed of desegregated schools and trans gender bathrooms or so the legend says.
I've been to the top of the mountain and on it I found trans gender bathrooms with clean floors and ample supplies of toilet paper.
It was glorious my brothers and sisters.
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By fonewear 2015-02-08 20:07:19
Meanwhile at the Huff Post.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/casey-hoke/transgender-bathrooms_b_6510862.html
TLDR It's my bathroom I'll do what I want. I'll run for Congress and win. Whatever I'll do what I want.
By Jetackuu 2015-02-08 20:07:48
You may not, but stereotypically, others half-*** the safety of someone else's family every day.
Which is the crux of the problem for good contractors.
The bad ones want to make a quick buck, lie, cheat, steal, and leave ***worse than before they touched it.
I know it happens, I spent a decade in automotive and I've seen plenty of tech's bang something out focusing only on getting it done and not getting it done right. I have always felt there are 2 ways to do things: the right way, and again.
Basically:
Quote: Safe wiring is not something to be learned after the fire trucks have left.
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By Bloodrose 2015-02-08 20:39:05
You may not, but stereotypically, others half-*** the safety of someone else's family every day.
Which is the crux of the problem for good contractors.
The bad ones want to make a quick buck, lie, cheat, steal, and leave ***worse than before they touched it.
I know it happens, I spent a decade in automotive and I've seen plenty of tech's bang something out focusing only on getting it done and not getting it done right. I have always felt there are 2 ways to do things: the right way, and again. Mike Holmes, and pretty much any and every contractor worth their salt says pretty much the same thing.
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By Shiva.Onorgul 2015-02-08 21:19:47
Are they straight and in a relationship? How is that *** relevant?
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-02-08 21:21:26
Doesn't he have to eat in order to go to the bathroom?
Just saying.
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By Shiva.Onorgul 2015-02-08 21:40:38
On a most honest note, this is just more progressive "newspeak". They are trying to push an agenda that states there are no biological differences between men and women. ... Wow, that's some hardcore spin you've got going there. This is a conservative push to single out people who, very likely, you wouldn't even notice if you saw them on the street. And somehow that turns into "Oh lordy, the depraved progressives are telling me I'm not a man just because I have a penis" or whatever dribbling nonsense is leaking out of your ***-holster this time.
Separating the genders was a cost effective compromise Wow, someone raises a valid reason for segregated restrooms.
Efforts are being made to create female-accessible urinals (look it up, I'm serious), so that kind of torpedoes a nearly pointless fact, though. If the real fact of keeping costs down was at issue, the reality is that transgender people are a rather small fraction of a percent of the population. I have been involved with *** organizations for 15 years now and, in that time, I've met two people who are transgender and have encountered via the internet two or three more who lived in my city.
It's not a big enough problem to legislate on.
Let's get past the smokescreen you keep using of "OMG progessives!" and Ihina's equally vacuous "us versus them" argument. Let's look at this as what it is: a criminal law.
What crime is being committed? Crime is definitionally damage. It's theft, it's vandalism, it's causing another person harm. How does someone pissing in a toilet cause harm and, to follow up, how does the gender status of a person change that? If I'm urinating on you, that's assault under the law in all 50 states and it doesn't matter if I'm doing it via a penis, vagina, or something in between.
Perhaps we take the incredibly weak argument of preventing potential harm. Again, what potential harm? That an MTF might commit a rape? We do realize that male-on-male rape and female-on-female rape are very real, right? Rape has nothing to do with sex, it's a violation based on power. Segregated bathrooms neither encourage nor discourage heterosexual rape.
BUT they do assist with same-sex acts of rape and assault. Which is in no way addressed by this law.
So what exactly is going on that requires this action? There is literally no data that transgender people pose a greater risk to anyone else. In fact, the data is the opposite: they're more likely to be assaulted and raped. And with all the gender-based fear and irrationality in the world, forcing an MTF who looks for all the world like a woman to use the men's room puts her in jeopardy, ditto an FTM in the women's room.
In the worst case, this law causes crime and endangers citizens. In the best case, it's a pointless inconvenience.
Most of you alleged conservatives oppose enhancing the power of government. So why do you want to support legislation that cedes yet more of your freedom out of your hands? Ironically, although this particular bill was sponsored by conservatives, it genuinely is an act of progressive-style legislation (which the Republican party has been writing for 50 years now) in that it wants to enhance the power of government. Given it does that and it serves no beneficial purpose, why support it?
Oh, right, because transgendered people are conceptually icky. You've probably never met one and probably never will, but the idea that a boy doesn't like his penis just makes your own willy shrivel up and hide. A chick that wants to grow a ***, though, we're less judgmental. Men are the superior option, right?
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-02-09 04:54:29
Are they straight and in a relationship? How is that *** relevant?
And yes. Control variable.
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By Lakshmi.Saevel 2015-02-09 09:13:59
I don't give a flying f*ck what some socialist country in Europe is doing, if someone in the USA feels so strongly about European, well anything, they need to pack up and emigrate. If someone is already a European, then why the f*ck are they talking about US politics and laws, they are the peanut gallery who's opinions are less then meaningless (they don't have a vote). This assumption that anything "European" is automatically superior is sickening. Whoa there champ, who brought Europe into this discussion?
I said my opinion on the matter doesn't matter as it does not apply to me. I was just trying to clear up the disconnect between malicious intent versus being allowed to be uncomfortable, essentially. Although it did derail a little.
I'm not in a country that's apart of the socialist EU countries. As a matter of fact Serbia was hardcore socialist and communist until only recently (2000ish). They decided to move in a better direction, a market economy.
However, if someone else brought this up in the discussion, then I missed it. While I refuse to block anyone, I do skip posts from certain people if they type a lot from time to time.
Yes you missed it. It's the same people who always reply with "well in Sweden / Norway / <insert European country here> they do <insert progressive talking point here>" as though the fact that an European country is doing it automatically makes it both wise and somehow superior to anything the USA is doing.
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By Odin.Jassik 2015-02-09 11:21:39
I don't give a flying f*ck what some socialist country in Europe is doing, if someone in the USA feels so strongly about European, well anything, they need to pack up and emigrate. If someone is already a European, then why the f*ck are they talking about US politics and laws, they are the peanut gallery who's opinions are less then meaningless (they don't have a vote). This assumption that anything "European" is automatically superior is sickening. Whoa there champ, who brought Europe into this discussion?
I said my opinion on the matter doesn't matter as it does not apply to me. I was just trying to clear up the disconnect between malicious intent versus being allowed to be uncomfortable, essentially. Although it did derail a little.
I'm not in a country that's apart of the socialist EU countries. As a matter of fact Serbia was hardcore socialist and communist until only recently (2000ish). They decided to move in a better direction, a market economy.
However, if someone else brought this up in the discussion, then I missed it. While I refuse to block anyone, I do skip posts from certain people if they type a lot from time to time.
Yes you missed it. It's the same people who always reply with "well in Sweden / Norway / <insert European country here> they do <insert progressive talking point here>" as though the fact that an European country is doing it automatically makes it both wise and somehow superior to anything the USA is doing.
All three of those countries are capitalist, they just have socialist programs, and nobody brings them up. The only time people have brought them up is when Republicans said it's impossible to give 10% of the US free healthcare, which is complete horseshit, and those countries were used as an example.
This law/discussion has nothing to do with "progressives" or "socialism". It's about a small group of people enacting Jim Crow style legislation against a group they don't like or understand.
Stop with these rants where you accuse everyone of using liberal talking points while you run the loop of every anti-progressive talking point you can think of. They add nothing to the conversation and generally just derail the threads.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-02-09 11:23:32
I don't give a flying f*ck what some socialist country in Europe is doing, if someone in the USA feels so strongly about European, well anything, they need to pack up and emigrate. If someone is already a European, then why the f*ck are they talking about US politics and laws, they are the peanut gallery who's opinions are less then meaningless (they don't have a vote). This assumption that anything "European" is automatically superior is sickening. Whoa there champ, who brought Europe into this discussion?
I said my opinion on the matter doesn't matter as it does not apply to me. I was just trying to clear up the disconnect between malicious intent versus being allowed to be uncomfortable, essentially. Although it did derail a little.
I'm not in a country that's apart of the socialist EU countries. As a matter of fact Serbia was hardcore socialist and communist until only recently (2000ish). They decided to move in a better direction, a market economy.
However, if someone else brought this up in the discussion, then I missed it. While I refuse to block anyone, I do skip posts from certain people if they type a lot from time to time.
Yes you missed it. It's the same people who always reply with "well in Sweden / Norway / <insert European country here> they do <insert progressive talking point here>" as though the fact that an European country is doing it automatically makes it both wise and somehow superior to anything the USA is doing. I kinda of was leaning that way since you +1 most of my comments.
Thanks for clearing that up, lol.
EDIT: My current 'favorite' is Denmark with its negative interest rates.
By Jetackuu 2015-02-09 11:26:55
Aside from the spin placed on it by certain posters and the opinion article, it looks like the purpose of the bill is to punish those who are in the wrong restroom, regardless of them being "trans" or not.
It's not discriminating, if it were written as such to where it only targeted transsexuals, then you'd have a point, but it isn't.
However as I've said many times: they should just improve privacy in restrooms and stop segregating them based on sex and or gender entirely.
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By Odin.Jassik 2015-02-09 11:40:15
Aside from the spin placed on it by certain posters and the opinion article, it looks like the purpose of the bill is to punish those who are in the wrong restroom, regardless of them being "trans" or not.
It's not discriminating, if it were written as such to where it only targeted transsexuals, then you'd have a point, but it isn't.
However as I've said many times: they should just improve privacy in restrooms and stop segregating them based on sex and or gender entirely.
It's specifically discriminatory toward trans because they're basing gender solely on genitals and their caricature perception of men in drag.
florida_bill_would_imprison_trans_people_for_using_public_bathrooms Slate
Quote: Gay marriage has been legal in Florida for a month now, and at this point, even the state’s hardcore conservatives seem increasingly resigned to the fact that marriage equality is here to stay. Accordingly, Florida’s more bigoted legislators have decided to turn their ire toward another maligned, disfavored minority—trans people—by proposing one of the most viciously sadistic, hypocritical bills the legislature has ever considered.
The basic purpose of the bill is quite simple: to forbid trans people from using the public bathroom that matches their true gender. According to the bill’s text, any trans person who enters a “single-sex public facility” that doesn’t match their “biological sex” is guilty of a first-degree misdemeanor. A “single-sex public facility” includes bathrooms “maintained by an owner of public accommodations, a school, or a place of employment”—basically, any public bathroom in the entire state. Any trans person who violates the act could be sentenced to one year in prison.
It gets much, much worse. Any non-trans person who discovers a trans person using a bathroom that doesn’t align with their “biological sex” would be permitted to sue that trans person under the act. (If sued successfully, the trans person would have to pay their accuser’s attorney fees.) And, in a final turn of the screw, an “owner of public accommodations, a school, or a place of employment” who allows a trans person to use the bathroom of their true gender is liable for a civil suit. In other words, if a store owner does not actively prevent trans people from using her bathrooms, she can be sued by other customers. And of course, if the trans-friendly store owner is found to have allowed a trans person to use the bathroom, she’ll not only have to pay damages to disgruntled customers—she’ll also have to pay their attorney’s fees.
The obvious intent of this bill is to humiliate trans people by opening them up to criminal and civil liability merely for performing the most basic of bodily functions. Trans people already face harassment, discrimination, and sometimes violence while attempting to use the bathroom. This bill would effectively give anti-trans harassers the state’s blessing, while providing them a new avenue through which to shame trans Floridians—the court system. Many trans people are already anxious about using public bathrooms; some are afraid to leave their homes given the risk of verbal and physical abuse they face in public facilities. With this bill, the state would effectively legalize anti-trans harassment, sending a resounding message to trans people that they are not welcome in public life.
But perhaps the galling component of the bill is its astonishing interference into private businesses. For years, conservatives have been complaining that LGBT non-discrimination ordinances impede the liberty of business owners. These businesses, conservatives argue, should have the freedom to conduct their affairs however they so choose—even if that means kicking out gay customers who want to buy their products. With the tables turned, however, Florida’s right-wing legislators have changed their tune, arguing that private business owners should be forbidden from letting trans customers use their bathrooms. This intrusion into the autonomy of businesses is as hideously hypocritical as it is unsurprising. Most conservatives are only willing to defend business owners’ rights so long as they’re exercising their right to discriminate against LGBTQ people. When businesses wish to tolerate LGBTQ customers, conservatives have no problem passing a law restricting their liberty.
It is probably too soon to tell whether Florida’s bill will pass—though given this legislature’s track record, any bill designed to demean a sexual minority has fair odds of becoming law. Either way, the mere existence of such a mean-spirited bill sends a blunt message to the state’s trans community that they are not welcome here. It was probably inevitable that, once the marriage equality debate settled down, those who dedicate their lives to promoting hatred would set their sights on trans people. But the maliciousness and celerity with which Florida’s legislators have zeroed in on the trans community suggests the next battle for LGBTQ rights will be a brutal one.
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