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By Garuda.Chanti 2015-02-06 21:29:26
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Gay marriage has been legal in Florida for a month now, and at this point, even the state’s hardcore conservatives seem increasingly resigned to the fact that marriage equality is here to stay. Accordingly, Florida’s more bigoted legislators have decided to turn their ire toward another maligned, disfavored minority—trans people—by proposing one of the most viciously sadistic, hypocritical bills the legislature has ever considered.

The basic purpose of the bill is quite simple: to forbid trans people from using the public bathroom that matches their true gender. According to the bill’s text, any trans person who enters a “single-sex public facility” that doesn’t match their “biological sex” is guilty of a first-degree misdemeanor. A “single-sex public facility” includes bathrooms “maintained by an owner of public accommodations, a school, or a place of employment”—basically, any public bathroom in the entire state. Any trans person who violates the act could be sentenced to one year in prison.

It gets much, much worse. Any non-trans person who discovers a trans person using a bathroom that doesn’t align with their “biological sex” would be permitted to sue that trans person under the act. (If sued successfully, the trans person would have to pay their accuser’s attorney fees.) And, in a final turn of the screw, an “owner of public accommodations, a school, or a place of employment” who allows a trans person to use the bathroom of their true gender is liable for a civil suit. In other words, if a store owner does not actively prevent trans people from using her bathrooms, she can be sued by other customers. And of course, if the trans-friendly store owner is found to have allowed a trans person to use the bathroom, she’ll not only have to pay damages to disgruntled customers—she’ll also have to pay their attorney’s fees.

The obvious intent of this bill is to humiliate trans people by opening them up to criminal and civil liability merely for performing the most basic of bodily functions. Trans people already face harassment, discrimination, and sometimes violence while attempting to use the bathroom. This bill would effectively give anti-trans harassers the state’s blessing, while providing them a new avenue through which to shame trans Floridians—the court system. Many trans people are already anxious about using public bathrooms; some are afraid to leave their homes given the risk of verbal and physical abuse they face in public facilities. With this bill, the state would effectively legalize anti-trans harassment, sending a resounding message to trans people that they are not welcome in public life.

But perhaps the galling component of the bill is its astonishing interference into private businesses. For years, conservatives have been complaining that LGBT non-discrimination ordinances impede the liberty of business owners. These businesses, conservatives argue, should have the freedom to conduct their affairs however they so choose—even if that means kicking out gay customers who want to buy their products. With the tables turned, however, Florida’s right-wing legislators have changed their tune, arguing that private business owners should be forbidden from letting trans customers use their bathrooms. This intrusion into the autonomy of businesses is as hideously hypocritical as it is unsurprising. Most conservatives are only willing to defend business owners’ rights so long as they’re exercising their right to discriminate against LGBTQ people. When businesses wish to tolerate LGBTQ customers, conservatives have no problem passing a law restricting their liberty.

It is probably too soon to tell whether Florida’s bill will pass—though given this legislature’s track record, any bill designed to demean a sexual minority has fair odds of becoming law. Either way, the mere existence of such a mean-spirited bill sends a blunt message to the state’s trans community that they are not welcome here. It was probably inevitable that, once the marriage equality debate settled down, those who dedicate their lives to promoting hatred would set their sights on trans people. But the maliciousness and celerity with which Florida’s legislators have zeroed in on the trans community suggests the next battle for LGBTQ rights will be a brutal one.
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By Zackan 2015-02-06 21:32:11
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" There true gender"


Oh hell.. here we go..

All I will Say is.. Go Florida, thank you for not following in my States Footsteps(California)

Florida you are known for some dumb things, but on this one. Thumbs up.

That is all
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-02-06 21:35:57
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LGBTQ
Q?
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By Bloodrose 2015-02-06 21:38:23
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***
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-02-06 21:39:05
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Thought that was covered in the G?
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By Bloodrose 2015-02-06 21:39:17
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On the note about the bill...

How the *** does this ***even make it to the legislature, when it's a blatant violation of basic human rights, and clearly unconstitutional?
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2015-02-06 21:39:36
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Zackan said: »
" There true gender"


Oh hell.. here we go..

All I will Say is.. Go Florida, thank you for not following in my States Footsteps(California)

Florida you are known for some dumb things, but on this one. Thumbs up.

That is all
I'm glad your irrational fears are assuaged by junk legislation.
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By Cecilia Charl 2015-02-06 21:40:00
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omg I actually shot soda out of my nose at this, it's like *** acid to my nostrils.
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By Bloodrose 2015-02-06 21:40:02
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Nope, *** (in this context, I believe being "Gender ***), is different than Gay.
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2015-02-06 21:40:53
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*** is a kind of catch-all term that encompasses any type of sexuality not easily categorized under LGBT.
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By Asura.Kaoriasada 2015-02-06 21:42:26
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Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
Thought that was covered in the G?

Lesbian
Gay
Bisexual
Transexual
Questioning

That's how planned parenthood taught us.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-02-06 21:45:16
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Huh?

Also, I remember *** being a derogatory term during high school in the 90s. When did that change?
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By Bloodrose 2015-02-06 21:45:43
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ok, I may seriously be tired, but how the *** do you thumbs up a proposed bill, that further alienates a group of people that, in Florida, are already brutally victimized, terrorized, and physically attacked? For a bill that pretty much forces trans people (note: They are still people) to pay out for damages, because someone ultimately *saw them using a restroom* outside of their own home?
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-02-06 21:45:54
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Asura.Kaoriasada said: »
Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
Thought that was covered in the G?

Lesbian
Gay
Bisexual
Transexual
Questioning

That's how planned parenthood taught us.
This one makes more sense.
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By Shiva.Onorgul 2015-02-06 21:47:21
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Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
Also, I remember *** being a derogatory term during high school in the 90s. When did that change?
Inverting the negative. Compare with a certain racial epithet that it used most often these days (in public, anyhow) by African-Americans.

Also, "***" tends to get used as a catch-all in place of the alphabet soup thing. I'm pretty sure "questioning" was indeed the original intention of that letter.
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By Bloodrose 2015-02-06 21:47:57
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Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
Huh?

Also, I remember *** being a derogatory term during high school in the 90s. When did that change?
Basically, *** (in the 90's) was just a term dumb kids used to sound smart for calling someone different as a derogatory term.

At least, that's how I remember it.

As to the LGBTQ thing, it's taught differently, but ultimately means the same thing. In the context of Q, *** means different or Questioning. Just depends on point of view.

But there are Gender Fluid, Gender ***, etc. that all fall under the "***" portion.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-02-06 21:48:55
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Shiva.Onorgul said: »
Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
Also, I remember *** being a derogatory term during high school in the 90s. When did that change?
Inverting the negative. Compare with a certain racial epithet that it used most often these days (in public, anyhow) by African-Americans.
I actually was going to type something about comparing it to the NAACP, but it sounded very strange the way I typed it, lol.
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By Jetackuu 2015-02-06 21:49:43
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Bloodrose said: »
ok, I may seriously be tired, but how the *** do you thumbs up a proposed bill, that further alienates a group of people that, in Florida, are already brutally victimized, terrorized, and physically attacked? For a bill that pretty much forces trans people (note: They are still people) to pay out for damages, because someone ultimately *saw them using a restroom* outside of their own home?
Because it wasn't the restroom they were supposed to be in, kind of like how if a man is caught in a women's restroom, they are subject to criminal and civil charges as well.

*assuming this is their thought process.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-02-06 21:50:47
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Bloodrose said: »
Gender Fluid
Located in the dairy isle?
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By Bloodrose 2015-02-06 21:51:34
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but, someone else is also legislating their gender for them, when it's not their place, nor legally allowed to do so.
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By Asura.Kaoriasada 2015-02-06 21:51:40
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*** is considered more passive aggressive than anything, I guess. You don't hear the term much anymore, at least not in my school.
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By Bloodrose 2015-02-06 21:51:58
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Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
Bloodrose said: »
Gender Fluid
Located in the dairy isle?
Bio-mechanical section.
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By Asura.Kaoriasada 2015-02-06 21:52:57
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Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
Bloodrose said: »
Gender Fluid
Located in the dairy isle?

Gender Fluid means when someone neither identifies as a female nor a male, more of a mix of two.


EDIT: Googled it too, http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=gender+fluid
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-02-06 21:54:38
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Ok let's say I'm a lesbian trapped in a man's body. What restroom do I use in FL to not get sued?
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By Asura.Kaoriasada 2015-02-06 21:55:17
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Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
Ok let's say I'm a lesbian trapped in a man's body. What restroom do I use in FL to not get sued?

Mens.
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By Jetackuu 2015-02-06 21:56:35
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Bloodrose said: »
but, someone else is also legislating their gender for them, when it's not their place, nor legally allowed to do so.
It may be more so that they're defining the rules based on sex, not gender.

Or that they find there is no difference, don't really care, it's lolFlorida.
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By Bloodrose 2015-02-06 21:58:10
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Ok let's say I'm a lesbian trapped in a man's body. What restroom do I use in FL to not get sued?
If you were a trans woman, or even suspected of being trans, you would have to use the men's room, as it's your "true gender", according to the law. If you had gone into the women's room, despite being legally female after SRS, etc., you would be sued - by the establishment, and any customer who saw you use it, and would most likely lose in a court case, paying out millions (or w/e the judge deems worthy) plus court costs.
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By Leviathan.Comeatmebro 2015-02-06 21:58:16
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Bloodrose said: »
ok, I may seriously be tired, but how the *** do you thumbs up a proposed bill, that further alienates a group of people that, in Florida, are already brutally victimized, terrorized, and physically attacked? For a bill that pretty much forces trans people (note: They are still people) to pay out for damages, because someone ultimately *saw them using a restroom* outside of their own home?
if they don't want to pay out damages, all they have to do is use the restroom that matches what they were born as

if you have a dongle, you go in the one with urinals

if not, you go in the clean one

it's not that big a deal, they both have stalls for privacy in most cases
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By Bloodrose 2015-02-06 21:59:07
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Jetackuu said: »
Bloodrose said: »
but, someone else is also legislating their gender for them, when it's not their place, nor legally allowed to do so.
It may be more so that they're defining the rules based on sex, not gender.

Or that they find there is no difference, don't really care, it's lolFlorida.
Yeah, still illegal and unconstitutional, as it specifically targets a single group of people based on gender/sexual orientation.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-02-06 21:59:30
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What about people with 3 sex chromosomes, XXY?
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