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FL Bill Would Imprison TSs for Using Bathrooms
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2015-02-08 02:55:23
I'm not saying you're wrong for thinking the way you do, but I will say that you clearly do not speak for all women. Not everyone sees it the same way and, rational or not, the presence of something that looks like a man in a woman's bathroom will freak a lot of them out. You can't just wave a magic wand and undo years of social norms and stigmas just because you personally don't see what the big deal is. I'm all for private, completely closed-off stalls though if that's what it will take to have non-gender bathrooms.
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By Lakshmi.Saevel 2015-02-08 03:13:19
I'm not saying you're wrong for thinking the way you do, but I will say that you clearly do not speak for all women. Not everyone sees it the same way and, rational or not, the presence of something that looks like a man in a woman's bathroom will freak a lot of them out. You can't just wave a magic wand and undo years of social norms and stigmas just because you personally don't see what the big deal is. I'm all for private, completely closed-off stalls though if that's what it will take to have non-gender bathrooms.
Since your obviously missed the memo, your not entitled to having an opinion your privileged cisgender sh!tlord. Only those anointed by the holy one and learned in the ways of newspeak and goodfacts are allowed to express the truth. So silence or they will release you to elsewhere.
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By Shiva.Onorgul 2015-02-08 13:34:22
the presence of something that looks like a man in a woman's bathroom will freak a lot of them out. WHY?
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-02-08 13:53:22
the presence of something that looks like a man in a woman's bathroom will freak a lot of them out. WHY? Women are generally female.
If you wish for me to elaborate, well forget it, cause that kind of talk is considered sexist by the fascists on here.
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By Leviathan.Comeatmebro 2015-02-08 13:53:28
because it could be schrodinger's rapist
they don't know if it's a transexual trying to keep to themselves or a cis shitlord dressing in that manner solely to perpetuate his white male rape culture on unsuspecting women
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By Odin.Jassik 2015-02-08 14:35:24
There are plenty of cis women who look like "barely passable MTF".
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By Leviathan.Comeatmebro 2015-02-08 14:36:36
There are plenty of cis women who look like "barely passable MTF".
can't say i've ever seen a cis woman that looked like a not passable MTF though
and most MTF don't even qualify as "barely passable"
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By Odin.Jassik 2015-02-08 14:39:11
This is how I see it. Whatever is between someone's legs is what determines which bathroom they use, it's the fairest way to go about it.
That doesn't make much sense, honestly. If the appearance of a trans person in the restroom is what bothers you, and I doubt you're looking at their crotch, the gender they live as should be far more fair than what's between their legs.
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By Odin.Jassik 2015-02-08 14:41:00
Leviathan.Comeatmebro said: »There are plenty of cis women who look like "barely passable MTF".
can't say i've ever seen a cis woman that looked like a not passable MTF though
and most MTF don't even qualify as "barely passable"
I've seen plenty of cis women who are far less passable than the MTF's I've seen. And the whole "most" thing... I'd wager you've walked past or sat next to trans women and not even known it, because everyone is looking for a man in a dress, and that's just not the way all MTF look by a long shot.
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By Blazed1979 2015-02-08 14:52:12
I'm so glad this ***is happening over there, and not over here.You poor sons of *** lol
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By Shiva.Onorgul 2015-02-08 15:05:28
Leviathan.Comeatmebro said: »because it could be schrodinger's rapist Oh, good, we finally got around to someone admitting that you're buying into *** feminist theory that all men are rapists.
So, following the logic that all men are rapists and therefore will rape the ***out any women they're in the same room with (why does it matter that it's the bathroom? I thought men just raped women wherever they found them), I'll point out that black people disproportionately represent the number of convicted criminals. Ergo, since I fear being assaulted, robbed, and raped while using the bathroom, I want to keep black people out of my bathroom.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-02-08 15:12:21
Comeatmebro isn't buying into any feminist theory.
He's referring to the women in the bathrooms thinking that due to the feminist theory they've been listening to.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2015-02-08 15:22:30
*** is a kind of catch-all term that encompasses any type of sexuality not easily categorized under LGBT. *** belong in the mens room, vaginas in the womens room.
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By Blazed1979 2015-02-08 15:25:57
*** is a kind of catch-all term that encompasses any type of sexuality not easily categorized under LGBT. *** belong in the mens room, vaginas in the womens room. I have to agree. However, somewhere inside of me there's a 16 year old boy who wishes he could have been around to see vaginas in the mens' room.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2015-02-08 15:27:33
"If you didn't want to be raped, you shouldn't have left your panic room" Quote of the day. Liberals gone wild!
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By Leviathan.Comeatmebro 2015-02-08 15:30:42
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2015-02-08 15:39:14
I can understand the want to be accepting of others, but how about the comfort level of those of us who aren't LGBTQ?
You're a member of the "oppressive" majority, your opinions don't count, and you must be treated like a second class citizen because that's what constitutes "fairness".
By Blazed1979 2015-02-08 15:45:24
Funny how "tolerate" morphed into
Advocate what and educate who?
I highly doubt the target audience are other gay people.
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By Shiva.Onorgul 2015-02-08 15:50:29
I love that the people who implicitly agree with the racial segregation I just proposed are the same ones who claim to be offended by how "intolerant" the GLBT community is.
No, not "love"... I'm frustrated by those people. Frustrated they're still drawing oxygen instead of freeing up space for people capable of rational thought.
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By Leviathan.Comeatmebro 2015-02-08 15:51:48
I love that the people who implicitly agree with the racial segregation I just proposed
Nobody supported your racial segregation, implicitly or otherwise. Not taking interest in a hyperbolic example hardly means one agrees with it.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-02-08 15:59:46
Men and Women restrooms, now considered racial segregation?
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-02-08 16:02:55
Men and Women restrooms, now considered racial segregation? Obviously.
Having separate bathrooms for men and women is a clear violation of the Civil Rights Act of 1964.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2015-02-08 16:03:45
Men and Women restrooms, now considered racial segregation?
Liberals gone wild!!
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2015-02-08 16:06:01
I mean in reality they're so happy with how effective calling people a racist is, that they'e just trying to tie further opposition to their ideas to it.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-02-08 16:06:24
Funny how "tolerate" morphed into
Advocate what and educate who?
I highly doubt the target audience are other gay people. Education the liberals.
Have the liberals advocate what they were taught.
Liberals support other liberals.
Tolerance does not play a part in that at all.
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By Shiva.Onorgul 2015-02-08 16:24:56
Leviathan.Comeatmebro said: »I love that the people who implicitly agree with the racial segregation I just proposed
Nobody supported your racial segregation, implicitly or otherwise. Not taking interest in a hyperbolic example hardly means one agrees with it. That's the problem: there's nothing hyperbolic about it.
I can actually provide data supporting my statement. No one can provide data supporting the idea that a transgender person is a rapist.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-02-08 16:27:28
No one can provide data supporting the idea that a transgender person is a rapist. No one claimed that.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2015-02-08 16:30:09
No one can provide data supporting the idea that a transgender person is a rapist. No one claimed that. Hes using the classic strawman
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By Odin.Jassik 2015-02-08 16:31:22
No one can provide data supporting the idea that a transgender person is a rapist. No one claimed that.
Right, a bunch of men feel icky about the idea of a trans woman being in the women's restroom because.... They'd feel less icky about them being in the men's restroom?
It's a completely incoherent thought worthy of people who live solely by knee-jerk emotional reactions to things that they don't like or understand.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-02-08 16:34:40
No one can provide data supporting the idea that a transgender person is a rapist. No one claimed that.
Right, a bunch of men feel icky about the idea of a trans woman being in the women's restroom because.... They'd feel less icky about them being in the men's restroom?
It's a completely incoherent thought worthy of people who live solely by knee-jerk emotional reactions to things that they don't like or understand. It's not solely the men. As a matter of fact all the men here were talking about how their female partners would react. By extension of them being a relationship, even more if they have children, the man is just supporting his woman's feelings.
Incoming sexist accusations.
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Quote: Gay marriage has been legal in Florida for a month now, and at this point, even the state’s hardcore conservatives seem increasingly resigned to the fact that marriage equality is here to stay. Accordingly, Florida’s more bigoted legislators have decided to turn their ire toward another maligned, disfavored minority—trans people—by proposing one of the most viciously sadistic, hypocritical bills the legislature has ever considered.
The basic purpose of the bill is quite simple: to forbid trans people from using the public bathroom that matches their true gender. According to the bill’s text, any trans person who enters a “single-sex public facility” that doesn’t match their “biological sex” is guilty of a first-degree misdemeanor. A “single-sex public facility” includes bathrooms “maintained by an owner of public accommodations, a school, or a place of employment”—basically, any public bathroom in the entire state. Any trans person who violates the act could be sentenced to one year in prison.
It gets much, much worse. Any non-trans person who discovers a trans person using a bathroom that doesn’t align with their “biological sex” would be permitted to sue that trans person under the act. (If sued successfully, the trans person would have to pay their accuser’s attorney fees.) And, in a final turn of the screw, an “owner of public accommodations, a school, or a place of employment” who allows a trans person to use the bathroom of their true gender is liable for a civil suit. In other words, if a store owner does not actively prevent trans people from using her bathrooms, she can be sued by other customers. And of course, if the trans-friendly store owner is found to have allowed a trans person to use the bathroom, she’ll not only have to pay damages to disgruntled customers—she’ll also have to pay their attorney’s fees.
The obvious intent of this bill is to humiliate trans people by opening them up to criminal and civil liability merely for performing the most basic of bodily functions. Trans people already face harassment, discrimination, and sometimes violence while attempting to use the bathroom. This bill would effectively give anti-trans harassers the state’s blessing, while providing them a new avenue through which to shame trans Floridians—the court system. Many trans people are already anxious about using public bathrooms; some are afraid to leave their homes given the risk of verbal and physical abuse they face in public facilities. With this bill, the state would effectively legalize anti-trans harassment, sending a resounding message to trans people that they are not welcome in public life.
But perhaps the galling component of the bill is its astonishing interference into private businesses. For years, conservatives have been complaining that LGBT non-discrimination ordinances impede the liberty of business owners. These businesses, conservatives argue, should have the freedom to conduct their affairs however they so choose—even if that means kicking out gay customers who want to buy their products. With the tables turned, however, Florida’s right-wing legislators have changed their tune, arguing that private business owners should be forbidden from letting trans customers use their bathrooms. This intrusion into the autonomy of businesses is as hideously hypocritical as it is unsurprising. Most conservatives are only willing to defend business owners’ rights so long as they’re exercising their right to discriminate against LGBTQ people. When businesses wish to tolerate LGBTQ customers, conservatives have no problem passing a law restricting their liberty.
It is probably too soon to tell whether Florida’s bill will pass—though given this legislature’s track record, any bill designed to demean a sexual minority has fair odds of becoming law. Either way, the mere existence of such a mean-spirited bill sends a blunt message to the state’s trans community that they are not welcome here. It was probably inevitable that, once the marriage equality debate settled down, those who dedicate their lives to promoting hatred would set their sights on trans people. But the maliciousness and celerity with which Florida’s legislators have zeroed in on the trans community suggests the next battle for LGBTQ rights will be a brutal one.
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