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FL Bill Would Imprison TSs for Using Bathrooms
By Bloodrose 2015-02-07 00:26:24
Besides the source article being Slate, I seriously cannot believe that this bill was even brought into legislation....
and yet....
 You confuse me more and more every day.
Anyhow, does this really matter to anyone? Anyone whatsoever?
I spend a lot of time surrounded by other gay men, meaning that having a sex-segregated bathroom is a "bonus" rather than detriment to seeing other people's genitals. And most of these guys are theater performers, too, so we've all long since burned off any shame we have. During breaks at rehearsals and the like, a good line of 20 men can rush to the bathroom to relieve our bladders (side note: and unlike the line outside the women's room, ours moves expeditiously). Even in places that don't have partitions between the urinals, even knowing that many of us are attracted to, dating, or have slept with other members, I've never seen anyone sneaking an illicit peak, much less an overt ogle. And that's pretty much the best chance anyone will have to see another person's genitals without their permission.
Consider a transgender person. Unless we're talking about someone who is FtM and so jacked up on testosterone that he really needs to swing whatever he has between his legs, that person is most likely to go into a stall. That's 100% the case in the women's room unless girly-urinals have been installed in the half a decade since I last saw the inside of a woman's restroom, and there's no men's room in the country that lacks for stalls. I know plenty of bio-men who have a list of reasons to use a stall beyond needing to defecate.
Who is seriously affected by this situation? The only conclusion I can draw, since this bill was yet another product largely made and imposed by heterosexual men, is that straight men are either so desperate for pussy that they can smell it through walls or that straight men have really bought into that "feminist" nonsense claiming all men are rapists. And there's the inherent misogyny of assuming a biologically-male person in the women's room, even if she's had her todger surgically inverted and her testes removed, is somehow a danger to all the women locked in their individual stalls.
Someone provide me some logic here. Someone at least tell me you had a circle jerk in the boys' room in middle school or something so we can at least pretend there's some remote basis for this. You mean this kind of logic?
Quote: either let all Males enter Female restrooms and vice versa.. or only let Males enter Male Restrooms.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-02-07 01:07:26
we need 1,000 vagina jokes before this reaches page 9.
I don't know that will be pretty "hard" to do !
My bad I read that as Viagra not vagina.
Just run clips of Sarah Silverman or some other feminist comics all they do is vagina this vagina that.
Anyways vagina jokes aren't funny. Period. Vaginas: serious business
By Zackan 2015-02-07 02:15:53
Besides the source article being Slate, I seriously cannot believe that this bill was even brought into legislation....
and yet....
You confuse me more and more every day.
Anyhow, does this really matter to anyone? Anyone whatsoever?
I spend a lot of time surrounded by other gay men, meaning that having a sex-segregated bathroom is a "bonus" rather than detriment to seeing other people's genitals. And most of these guys are theater performers, too, so we've all long since burned off any shame we have. During breaks at rehearsals and the like, a good line of 20 men can rush to the bathroom to relieve our bladders (side note: and unlike the line outside the women's room, ours moves expeditiously). Even in places that don't have partitions between the urinals, even knowing that many of us are attracted to, dating, or have slept with other members, I've never seen anyone sneaking an illicit peak, much less an overt ogle. And that's pretty much the best chance anyone will have to see another person's genitals without their permission.
Consider a transgender person. Unless we're talking about someone who is FtM and so jacked up on testosterone that he really needs to swing whatever he has between his legs, that person is most likely to go into a stall. That's 100% the case in the women's room unless girly-urinals have been installed in the half a decade since I last saw the inside of a woman's restroom, and there's no men's room in the country that lacks for stalls. I know plenty of bio-men who have a list of reasons to use a stall beyond needing to defecate.
Who is seriously affected by this situation? The only conclusion I can draw, since this bill was yet another product largely made and imposed by heterosexual men, is that straight men are either so desperate for pussy that they can smell it through walls or that straight men have really bought into that "feminist" nonsense claiming all men are rapists. And there's the inherent misogyny of assuming a biologically-male person in the women's room, even if she's had her todger surgically inverted and her testes removed, is somehow a danger to all the women locked in their individual stalls.
Someone provide me some logic here. Someone at least tell me you had a circle jerk in the boys' room in middle school or something so we can at least pretend there's some remote basis for this. You mean this kind of logic?
Quote: either let all Males enter Female restrooms and vice versa.. or only let Males enter Male Restrooms.
because its logical for a girl 'wanting to be a guy' to be using the restroom right next to my 7 year old? no thanks!
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By Zackan 2015-02-07 02:24:06
One thing leads to another.
First its Society must accept that A(Male Parts) must be paired with B(Female Parts)
Later Society must Accept now A & A are ok, and B & B are ok.
Next Society must Accept that Maybe A wants to be with A & B, or B wants to be with A & B
Next Society must except that A is ACTUALLY B, or that B is ACTUALLY A
What's next on our timeline?
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By Phoenix.Xantavia 2015-02-07 02:35:01
Can't wait for the first time a FTM individual sporting a huge beard goes into the woman's restroom because he doesn't have a penis. The outrage that would occur from the other people in there. And he can just go "LOL, nope. The law says this is where I need to do my business".
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By Cerberus.Anjisnu 2015-02-07 03:27:01
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2015-02-07 06:19:03
One thing leads to another.
First its Society must accept that A(Male Parts) must be paired with B(Female Parts)
Later Society must Accept now A & A are ok, and B & B are ok.
Next Society must Accept that Maybe A wants to be with A & B, or B wants to be with A & B
Next Society must except that A is ACTUALLY B, or that B is ACTUALLY A
What's next on our timeline? I know thinking is hard but don't give up.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-02-07 06:29:32
You confuse me more and more every day. Why?
I was never against the social acceptance and legal rights of gay people. In fact, I'm all for it, because who really cares if two guys or two gals love each other, we shouldn't stop their relationship based on one's definition of love.
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By Asura.Wormfeeder 2015-02-07 06:34:46
I don't care really how a person identifies him or herself. But if you have a vagina you are female, if you have a penis you are a male. So use the respective restroom.
By fonewear 2015-02-07 08:41:36
I don't care really how a person identifies him or herself. But if you have a vagina you are female, if you have a penis you are a male. So use the respective restroom.
The future of the country depends on the outcome of this law.
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By Jetackuu 2015-02-07 08:51:22
I don't care really how a person identifies him or herself. But if you have a vagina you are female, if you have a penis you are a male. So use the respective restroom. @2:32ish
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By Garuda.Chanti 2015-02-07 10:15:52
Bathrooms are segregated by gender. That's how it has been and how is should (and will) stay.... A number of restaurants and coffee shops in Seattle do not have gendered bathrooms.
Seeing two both rooms is more and more common. One toilet with a lock on the door works.
What do you want to bet this is common in SF and Bezerkley too?
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By Garuda.Chanti 2015-02-07 10:21:44
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I spend a lot of time surrounded by other gay men, meaning that having a sex-segregated bathroom is a "bonus" rather than detriment to seeing other people's genitals. And most of these guys are theater performers, too, so we've all long since burned off any shame we have. During breaks at rehearsals and the like, a good line of 20 men can rush to the bathroom to relieve our bladders (side note: and unlike the line outside the women's room, ours moves expeditiously). Even in places that don't have partitions between the urinals, even knowing that many of us are attracted to, dating, or have slept with other members, I've never seen anyone sneaking an illicit peak, much less an overt ogle. And that's pretty much the best chance anyone will have to see another person's genitals without their permission.... And I have seen rest rooms in gay bars with trench urinals and expeditiously positioned mirrors.
No. Don't ask.
By Voren 2015-02-07 10:24:27
If you are a F-to-M and want to go into the restroom after I've walked in, well, I wish you the best of luck. My wife of 15 years doesn't even want to be in the same house as me if I'm crunching out a deuce.
As a male I honestly don't care one way or the other. My wife on the other hand, her comfort level is a little less if she's going to a women's restroom and a not-so-passable M-F transsexual or transgender in.
I can understand the want to be accepting of others, but how about the comfort level of those of us who aren't LGBTQ?
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By Cerberus.Senkyuutai 2015-02-07 11:05:54
I can understand the want to be accepting of others, but how about the comfort level of those of us who aren't LGBTQ? Cis people aren't allowed to feel uncomfortable. As a cis, you have to accept change and forget your feelings/opinions. They're just wrong anyway, so just cast them away and embrace what they want you to be.
It's a 50/50 situation anyway. On one side you have a minority of people who want to be accepted, and they should feel at ease in society, on the other side you have people whose opinion and feelings are deemed bad and hurtful by said minority (well, they actually are), and they have to change them.
I personally have nothing against trans people and wouldn't give a ***if I peed or took a ***next to them, I wouldn't even see them as trans to begin with, but I can perfectly understand when someone says they feel uncomfortable in such situation.
But hey, being cis is like being white. You'll always be the bad, oppressing person. For whoever feels uncomfortable in such situation, better start trying to feel comfortable about it, you aren't given the choice, you'll have to adapt.
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By Lakshmi.Saevel 2015-02-07 11:07:18
Quote: I can understand the want to be accepting of others, but how about the comfort level of those of us who aren't LGBTQ?
Then your not entitled to an opinion you cisgender sh!tlord. If your white then your an oppressive cisgender sh!tlord and should just kill yourself in payment for your past unearned privilege.
Quote: I don't care really how a person identifies him or herself. But if you have a vagina you are female, if you have a penis you are a male. So use the respective restroom.
This is how I see it. Whatever is between someone's legs is what determines which bathroom they use, it's the fairest way to go about it.
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By Cerberus.Senkyuutai 2015-02-07 11:09:35
Quote: I don't care really how a person identifies him or herself. But if you have a vagina you are female, if you have a penis you are a male. So use the respective restroom.
This is how I see it. Whatever is between someone's legs is what determines which bathroom they use, it's the fairest way to go about it. What about a post op trans, then?
I see many cis men sitting to pee already, I don't think I'd personally notice if there is a *** or not. And I think it's the same for most people, so it's hard to feel uncomfortable.
And in the case of a M to F, usually women toilets have more doors than men, it'd be hard to see the difference.
By fonewear 2015-02-07 11:22:42
How could you not notice if someone is the proper gender that is the first step of using a bathroom ?
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By Cerberus.Senkyuutai 2015-02-07 11:36:18
I wonder how people find time to notice that someone is trans when they pee or take a ***. I'm so focused that if the men bathroom was full of women, I wouldn't see it.
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By Lakshmi.Saevel 2015-02-07 11:40:04
Cerberus.Senkyuutai said: »Quote: I don't care really how a person identifies him or herself. But if you have a vagina you are female, if you have a penis you are a male. So use the respective restroom.
This is how I see it. Whatever is between someone's legs is what determines which bathroom they use, it's the fairest way to go about it. What about a post op trans, then?
I see many cis men sitting to pee already, I don't think I'd personally notice if there is a *** or not. And I think it's the same for most people, so it's hard to feel uncomfortable.
And in the case of a M to F, usually women toilets have more doors than men, it'd be hard to see the difference.
Personally I don't care and I don't think most men would either. Some women though would feel uncomfortable if there was a penis in the same bathroom as her. So really a M to F post-op would be no different then a female anyway.
By Altimaomega 2015-02-07 11:47:15
Bathrooms are segregated by gender. That's how it has been and how is should (and will) stay.... A number of restaurants and coffee shops in Seattle do not have gendered bathrooms.
Seeing two both rooms is more and more common. One toilet with a lock on the door works.
What do you want to bet this is common in SF and Bezerkley too?
You mean privately owned establishments have the right to do what they want with the bathrooms they keep! We must do something about this insanity, how dare business owners make decisions like this! /Outrage!!!!!
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By Garuda.Chanti 2015-02-07 12:03:03
Just 'cause it almost fits....
Congressman cites [sex toy] law in Texas dis CNN
Quote: Rep. Alcee Hastings, citing a [sex toy] law, among other things, has some harsh words for Texas lawmakers.
That's the rationale he used in an interview with CNN, in response to outrage from the Texas delegation over his comments this week that Texas is "a crazy state."
"I love Texans, but I do not like their policy makers who are in the majority," he said. "The simple fact of the matter is, evidently, I touched a nerve deep in the heart of Texas. And I would ask them to tie a yellow rose around it and do like 'Frozen' and 'Let it go.'"
On Tuesday, all 25 Republicans in the Texas delegation demanded Hastings apologize for the comments, which he made during a Monday House Rules Committee debate over a bill repealing Obamacare.
Commenting on Texas' decision not to participate in the state health care exchanges established by the Affordable Care Act, Hastings said, "I don't know about in your state, which I think is a crazy state to begin with, and I mean that just as I said it."
Rep. Michael Burgess, a Texas Republican, interjected, decrying the comment as "a very defamatory statement about my state."
"And I will not stand here and listen to it," he said.
The Florida Democrat outlined other Texas laws that he said were "crazy," including one stating "that you can't shoot bears out of the second floor of a window," a law allowing citizens to carry guns in bars and also, "one of their cities has a law that says that women can only have six [sex toys], and the certain size of things."
"And if that ain't crazy I don't know what is," Hastings added.
The Florida Democrat insisted he bears no ill will to the citizens of either state. Rather, Hastings said, he takes issues with their policymakers.
If he offended those people, he said, "It's deliberate."
And while he wasn't "disparaging" Burgess, "What I said to him I meant."
"And that is that I thought that those kinds of policies were plain crazy, and he would have to wait until hell freezes over if he thought I owed him a personal apology," Hastings said. "I do not, and I will not."
The Texas delegation made it clear Hastings isn't welcome there. And Hastings has likely sparked some anger at home. But he didn't seem to mind. On Thursday, Hastings said when he retires, which he hinted would come after one more re-election bid, he's "not so sure I'm going to stay [in Florida], largely because of the policymakers."
"I have a lot of other places that I can live," he said. Not that happy with his own state either.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2015-02-07 12:13:31
Of all the people in Congress that could have called Texas crazy, it was someone from Florida? I'm not even sure what to say to that.
By Altimaomega 2015-02-07 12:19:29
But he didn't seem to mind. On Thursday, Hastings said when he retires, which he hinted would come after one more re-election bid, he's "not so sure I'm going to stay [in Florida], largely because of the policymakers."
"I have a lot of other places that I can live," he said.
/laugh.. Democrats.. He will more than likely get reelected to represent the state he is going to leave after office.
By Voren 2015-02-07 12:28:46
Cerberus.Senkyuutai said: »I'm so focused that if the men bathroom was full of women, I wouldn't see it.
I have a rolodex of names/faces/criminal charges in my head that when I walk into any place I'm scanning faces and seeing if I need to be a bit more aware.
Situational awareness of people nowadays is atrocious. I'm waiting for the deaths of people hit while crossing a road to be higher than those who die from cancer.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-02-07 12:30:56
Of all the people in Congress that could have called Texas crazy, it was someone from Florida? I'm not even sure what to say to that. Stand your ground.
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By Altimaomega 2015-02-07 13:14:48
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By Cerberus.Wonton 2015-02-07 13:36:30
because its logical for a girl 'wanting to be a guy' to be using the restroom right next to my 7 year old? no thanks!
Not sure what you're afraid of. Even if the transgendered person's recruitment pitch to your child is successful, you can always beat the *** out of him when you get home.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-02-07 14:58:28
because its logical for a girl 'wanting to be a guy' to be using the restroom right next to my 7 year old? no thanks!
Not sure what you're afraid of. Even if the transgendered person's recruitment pitch to your child is successful, you can always beat the *** out of him when you get home. Passing the buck, eh?
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By Shiva.Onorgul 2015-02-08 02:36:08
My wife on the other hand, her comfort level is a little less if she's going to a women's restroom and a not-so-passable M-F transsexual or transgender in. Why?
She's "comfortable" pissing and shitting (or not -- I only defecate in a public restroom if it's a choice between that or my pants) with women around. In what way does it matter if there's a Y-chromosome in the room? She still has a stall that ought to have a lock -- and, in my experience, it's the stalls in men's rooms that are more likely to have had the lock broken than in women's rooms, so fairly high probability.
I shared a dressing room with both boys and girls for high school theater and none of us were bothered by it (we could've segregated, but we all wanted the good room with the mirrors and racks). I seriously don't know what people are freaking out about. Some weird hypothetical that has never happened and is unlikely ever to happen?
florida_bill_would_imprison_trans_people_for_using_public_bathrooms Slate
Quote: Gay marriage has been legal in Florida for a month now, and at this point, even the state’s hardcore conservatives seem increasingly resigned to the fact that marriage equality is here to stay. Accordingly, Florida’s more bigoted legislators have decided to turn their ire toward another maligned, disfavored minority—trans people—by proposing one of the most viciously sadistic, hypocritical bills the legislature has ever considered.
The basic purpose of the bill is quite simple: to forbid trans people from using the public bathroom that matches their true gender. According to the bill’s text, any trans person who enters a “single-sex public facility” that doesn’t match their “biological sex” is guilty of a first-degree misdemeanor. A “single-sex public facility” includes bathrooms “maintained by an owner of public accommodations, a school, or a place of employment”—basically, any public bathroom in the entire state. Any trans person who violates the act could be sentenced to one year in prison.
It gets much, much worse. Any non-trans person who discovers a trans person using a bathroom that doesn’t align with their “biological sex” would be permitted to sue that trans person under the act. (If sued successfully, the trans person would have to pay their accuser’s attorney fees.) And, in a final turn of the screw, an “owner of public accommodations, a school, or a place of employment” who allows a trans person to use the bathroom of their true gender is liable for a civil suit. In other words, if a store owner does not actively prevent trans people from using her bathrooms, she can be sued by other customers. And of course, if the trans-friendly store owner is found to have allowed a trans person to use the bathroom, she’ll not only have to pay damages to disgruntled customers—she’ll also have to pay their attorney’s fees.
The obvious intent of this bill is to humiliate trans people by opening them up to criminal and civil liability merely for performing the most basic of bodily functions. Trans people already face harassment, discrimination, and sometimes violence while attempting to use the bathroom. This bill would effectively give anti-trans harassers the state’s blessing, while providing them a new avenue through which to shame trans Floridians—the court system. Many trans people are already anxious about using public bathrooms; some are afraid to leave their homes given the risk of verbal and physical abuse they face in public facilities. With this bill, the state would effectively legalize anti-trans harassment, sending a resounding message to trans people that they are not welcome in public life.
But perhaps the galling component of the bill is its astonishing interference into private businesses. For years, conservatives have been complaining that LGBT non-discrimination ordinances impede the liberty of business owners. These businesses, conservatives argue, should have the freedom to conduct their affairs however they so choose—even if that means kicking out gay customers who want to buy their products. With the tables turned, however, Florida’s right-wing legislators have changed their tune, arguing that private business owners should be forbidden from letting trans customers use their bathrooms. This intrusion into the autonomy of businesses is as hideously hypocritical as it is unsurprising. Most conservatives are only willing to defend business owners’ rights so long as they’re exercising their right to discriminate against LGBTQ people. When businesses wish to tolerate LGBTQ customers, conservatives have no problem passing a law restricting their liberty.
It is probably too soon to tell whether Florida’s bill will pass—though given this legislature’s track record, any bill designed to demean a sexual minority has fair odds of becoming law. Either way, the mere existence of such a mean-spirited bill sends a blunt message to the state’s trans community that they are not welcome here. It was probably inevitable that, once the marriage equality debate settled down, those who dedicate their lives to promoting hatred would set their sights on trans people. But the maliciousness and celerity with which Florida’s legislators have zeroed in on the trans community suggests the next battle for LGBTQ rights will be a brutal one.
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