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FL Bill Would Imprison TSs for Using Bathrooms
By Jetackuu 2015-02-06 21:59:47
Leviathan.Comeatmebro said: »ok, I may seriously be tired, but how the *** do you thumbs up a proposed bill, that further alienates a group of people that, in Florida, are already brutally victimized, terrorized, and physically attacked? For a bill that pretty much forces trans people (note: They are still people) to pay out for damages, because someone ultimately *saw them using a restroom* outside of their own home? if they don't want to pay out damages, all they have to do is use the restroom that matches what they were born as
if you have a dongle, you go in the one with urinals
if not, you go in the clean one
it's not that big a deal, they both have stalls for privacy in most cases In my experience, the female bathroom is usually much dirtier.
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By Bloodrose 2015-02-06 22:00:40
Leviathan.Comeatmebro said: »ok, I may seriously be tired, but how the *** do you thumbs up a proposed bill, that further alienates a group of people that, in Florida, are already brutally victimized, terrorized, and physically attacked? For a bill that pretty much forces trans people (note: They are still people) to pay out for damages, because someone ultimately *saw them using a restroom* outside of their own home? if they don't want to pay out damages, all they have to do is use the restroom that matches what they were born as
if you have a dongle, you go in the one with urinals
if not, you go in the clean one
it's not that big a deal, they both have stalls for privacy in most cases This is the dumb *** that supports bills like this.
Might as well say "Well, if you don't want your *** beaten, don't go outside", or "If you didn't want to be raped, you shouldn't have left your panic room"
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By Leviathan.Comeatmebro 2015-02-06 22:01:59
Yeah, still illegal and unconstitutional, as it specifically targets a single group of people based on gender/sexual orientation.
If you look at the actual bill, it doesn't say transexual. It says that you need to use the facilities of your biological sex in cases where single-sex facilities exist, and outlines consequences for not doing so. It's just as much of a crime for a straight, white, privileged cis male to enter a women's restroom.
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By Jetackuu 2015-02-06 22:02:02
but, someone else is also legislating their gender for them, when it's not their place, nor legally allowed to do so. It may be more so that they're defining the rules based on sex, not gender.
Or that they find there is no difference, don't really care, it's lolFlorida. Yeah, still illegal and unconstitutional, as it specifically targets a single group of people based on gender/sexual orientation. but it doesn't...
They're saying if you were born a man, use the men's room. If you were born a woman, use the woman's room. They're invalidating by law the concept that you can change your sex, considering you fully can't (and cosmetic surgery for a mental disease is overboard anyway).
Personally though I'd rather them just destroy the concept of separate bathrooms entirely, require greater privacy in individual stalls, and call it a day.
Hermaphrodites is an interesting concept with this though.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-02-06 22:02:43
"If you didn't want to be raped, you shouldn't have left your panic room" Quote of the day.
By Bloodrose 2015-02-06 22:03:39
but, someone else is also legislating their gender for them, when it's not their place, nor legally allowed to do so. It may be more so that they're defining the rules based on sex, not gender.
Or that they find there is no difference, don't really care, it's lolFlorida. Yeah, still illegal and unconstitutional, as it specifically targets a single group of people based on gender/sexual orientation. but it doesn't...
They're saying if you were born a man, use the men's room. If you were born a woman, use the woman's room. They're invalidating by law the concept that you can change your sex, considering you fully can't (and cosmetic surgery for a mental disease is overboard anyway).
Personally though I'd rather them just destroy the concept of separate bathrooms entirely, require greater privacy in individual stalls, and call it a day.
Hermaphrodites is an interesting concept with this though. I do have to agree with the latter, even if we disagree on the former.
So... + for that. I guess.
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By Leviathan.Comeatmebro 2015-02-06 22:04:56
This is the dumb *** that supports bills like this.
Might as well say "Well, if you don't want your *** beaten, don't go outside", or "If you didn't want to be raped, you shouldn't have left your panic room" Shaming and hyperbole, check.
I'm not sure how using the restroom that matches your genitals is a grievous insult to freedom, on the scale of forced isolation. Even then, you're comparing an extremely minor legal consequence to rape, good job.
By fonewear 2015-02-06 22:06:03
This will be the number one issue of the 2016 elections !
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-02-06 22:06:26
Leviathan.Comeatmebro said: »This is the dumb *** that supports bills like this.
Might as well say "Well, if you don't want your *** beaten, don't go outside", or "If you didn't want to be raped, you shouldn't have left your panic room" Shaming and hyperbole, check.
I'm not sure how using the restroom that matches your genitals is a grievous insult to freedom, on the scale of forced isolation. Even then, you're comparing an extremely minor legal consequence to rape, good job. That's what you get for leaving your panic room.
By fonewear 2015-02-06 22:07:32
I have my own restroom no girls allowed !
No white women at least...
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By Grumpy Cat 2015-02-06 22:07:34
Thought that was covered in the G?
Lesbian
Gay
Bisexual
Transexual
Questioning
That's how planned parenthood taught us.
I always thought it was "Let's get busy tonight! QUACK!"
By Bloodrose 2015-02-06 22:09:50
Leviathan.Comeatmebro said: »This is the dumb *** that supports bills like this.
Might as well say "Well, if you don't want your *** beaten, don't go outside", or "If you didn't want to be raped, you shouldn't have left your panic room" Shaming and hyperbole, check.
I'm not sure how using the restroom that matches your genitals is a grievous insult to freedom, on the scale of forced isolation. Even then, you're comparing an extremely minor legal consequence to rape, good job. Considering the atrocities that already happen to trans individuals (including rape), it's not really a minor legal consequence. It's pretty extreme. And it *is* the same thought process from the people that brought the world "legitimate rape".
By Jetackuu 2015-02-06 22:13:02
Leviathan.Comeatmebro said: »This is the dumb *** that supports bills like this.
Might as well say "Well, if you don't want your *** beaten, don't go outside", or "If you didn't want to be raped, you shouldn't have left your panic room" Shaming and hyperbole, check.
I'm not sure how using the restroom that matches your genitals is a grievous insult to freedom, on the scale of forced isolation. Even then, you're comparing an extremely minor legal consequence to rape, good job. Considering the atrocities that already happen to trans individuals (including rape), it's not really a minor legal consequence. It's pretty extreme. And it *is* the same thought process from the people that brought the world "legitimate rape". lol, no it is not...
By fonewear 2015-02-06 22:13:17
Legitimate rape is when an unattractive man approaches you in a bar !
By Bloodrose 2015-02-06 22:15:20
Transvestite:
Quote: Coined as late as the 1910s, the phenomenon is not new. It was referred to in the Hebrew Bible. The word has undergone several changes of meaning since it was first coined and is still used in a variety of senses. According to some sources, the term transvestite today is considered outdated and derogatory.
Transgender:
Quote: Transgender is the state of one's gender identity or gender expression not matching one's assigned sex. Transgender is independent of sexual orientation; transgender people may identify as heterosexual, homosexual, bisexual, etc; some may consider conventional sexual orientation labels inadequate or inapplicable to them. The definition of transgender includes:
"Of, relating to, or designating a person whose identity does not conform unambiguously to conventional notions of male or female gender roles, but combines or moves between these."
"People who were assigned a sex, usually at birth and based on their genitals, but who feel that this is a false or incomplete description of themselves."
"Non-identification with, or non-presentation as, the sex (and assumed gender) one was assigned at birth."
Transexual:
Quote: Transsexual people identify as a member of the sex opposite to that assigned at birth, and desire to live and be accepted as such.
Transsexual people may undergo gender transition, the process of aligning one's gender expression or presentation with their internal gender identity. People who have transitioned may or may not necessarily identify as transgender or transsexual any longer, but simply as a man or a woman. Those who continue identifying as transsexual men or women may not want to ignore their pre-transition life, and may continue strong ties with other trans people and raising social consciousness.
The process of transition may involve some kind of medical gender reassignment therapy and often (but not always) includes hormone replacement therapy and/or sex reassignment surgery. References to "pre-operative", "post-operative" and "non-operative" transsexual people indicate whether they have had, or are planning to have sex reassignment surgery, although some trans people reject these terms as objectifying trans people based on their surgical status and not their mental gender identity.
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By fonewear 2015-02-06 22:16:06
I identify as being in love with Obama does that fall under Obamasexual ?
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-02-06 22:16:13
Legitimate rape is when an unattractive man approaches you in a bar ! What's illegitimate rape?
By fonewear 2015-02-06 22:17:00
Legitimate rape is when an unattractive man approaches you in a bar ! What's illegitimate rape?
When two people are drunk and you wake up not knowing what happened. Then weeks later you say that man or woman raped me !
If you have a fuzzy memory odds are someone or something raped you.
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By Jetackuu 2015-02-06 22:19:11
Most educated people refer to that as this:
Quote: Noun
transvestite (plural transvestites)
A person who sometimes wears clothes traditionally worn by and associated with the opposite sex; typically a male who cross-dresses occasionally by habit or compulsion.
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By Leviathan.Comeatmebro 2015-02-06 22:19:13
A class 1 misdemeanor is not extreme. Using the same restrooms they used the first 20 years of their life is not extreme. If intersex restrooms were the norm, it would be a non-issue. As is, gendered bathrooms have existed nearly as long as indoor plumbing in the USA and they're a comfort many citizens have grown accustomed to. I can't think of a single facility I've visited that has one gendered bathroom without the opposite.
If the very thought of sharing a restroom with men is so offensive to a trans woman that it's on par with rape to force them into the men's room, why shouldn't the same logic apply to a cis woman sharing a restroom with women she views as men? Your fantasy ends where my perception begins.
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By Bloodrose 2015-02-06 22:20:58
Most educated people refer to that as this:
Quote: Noun
transvestite (plural transvestites)
A person who sometimes wears clothes traditionally worn by and associated with the opposite sex; typically a male who cross-dresses occasionally by habit or compulsion.
 That's actually only half correct. Since Cross-dressers typically distance themselves from transvestites, due to claims of not being inspired by fetishistic impulses.
By Jetackuu 2015-02-06 22:22:14
That's actually only half correct. Since Cross-dressers typically distance themselves from transvestites, due to claims of not being inspired by fetishistic impulses. I don't care what people claim, it's accurate.
People can grow the *** up and deal with their labels.
Really this entire thing boils down to what people want others to treat them as and their mental instability, they should recognize it, get treatment for it and get over it, not be pandered to. inb4 the flames.
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By fonewear 2015-02-06 22:22:16
I demand Obama do something about this. Appoint a restroom czar to get to the bottom of this.
By Bloodrose 2015-02-06 22:24:02
Half correct, means it's not actually accurate, so to assert "educated people" believe it, is a falsehood. People actually educated on the matter can and will use the proper address on the issue.
Only the ignorant do otherwise.
By fonewear 2015-02-06 22:25:35
I want to be pandered to what do I have to do to get Slate to write an article about my struggles ?
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By Bloodrose 2015-02-06 22:26:10
show up looking like your avatar.
By Jetackuu 2015-02-06 22:26:44
Half correct, means it's not actually accurate, so to assert "educated people" believe it, is a falsehood. People actually educated on the matter can and will use the proper address on the issue.
Only the ignorant do otherwise. Yet it isn't "half correct" it is wholly correct, 100%.
The only falsehood is that you're asserting it isn't correct.
Do you have a legitimate source for your claim?
By fonewear 2015-02-06 22:27:14
Hey Miss Hannah minx is appreciated for her razor like wit and keen fashion sense. Not her lovely lovely bosom.
By Jetackuu 2015-02-06 22:28:13
Hey Miss Hannah minx is appreciated for her razor like wit and keen fashion sense. Not her lovely lovely bosom.
Honestly I appreciated it when she stopped making videos, her voice was insufferable.
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By fonewear 2015-02-06 22:28:46
Hey Miss Hannah minx is appreciated for her razor like wit and keen fashion sense. Not her lovely lovely bosom.
Honestly I appreciated it when she stopped making videos, her voice was insufferable.
Yea you don't want to listen to her voice. Because you know it is terrible.
florida_bill_would_imprison_trans_people_for_using_public_bathrooms Slate
Quote: Gay marriage has been legal in Florida for a month now, and at this point, even the state’s hardcore conservatives seem increasingly resigned to the fact that marriage equality is here to stay. Accordingly, Florida’s more bigoted legislators have decided to turn their ire toward another maligned, disfavored minority—trans people—by proposing one of the most viciously sadistic, hypocritical bills the legislature has ever considered.
The basic purpose of the bill is quite simple: to forbid trans people from using the public bathroom that matches their true gender. According to the bill’s text, any trans person who enters a “single-sex public facility” that doesn’t match their “biological sex” is guilty of a first-degree misdemeanor. A “single-sex public facility” includes bathrooms “maintained by an owner of public accommodations, a school, or a place of employment”—basically, any public bathroom in the entire state. Any trans person who violates the act could be sentenced to one year in prison.
It gets much, much worse. Any non-trans person who discovers a trans person using a bathroom that doesn’t align with their “biological sex” would be permitted to sue that trans person under the act. (If sued successfully, the trans person would have to pay their accuser’s attorney fees.) And, in a final turn of the screw, an “owner of public accommodations, a school, or a place of employment” who allows a trans person to use the bathroom of their true gender is liable for a civil suit. In other words, if a store owner does not actively prevent trans people from using her bathrooms, she can be sued by other customers. And of course, if the trans-friendly store owner is found to have allowed a trans person to use the bathroom, she’ll not only have to pay damages to disgruntled customers—she’ll also have to pay their attorney’s fees.
The obvious intent of this bill is to humiliate trans people by opening them up to criminal and civil liability merely for performing the most basic of bodily functions. Trans people already face harassment, discrimination, and sometimes violence while attempting to use the bathroom. This bill would effectively give anti-trans harassers the state’s blessing, while providing them a new avenue through which to shame trans Floridians—the court system. Many trans people are already anxious about using public bathrooms; some are afraid to leave their homes given the risk of verbal and physical abuse they face in public facilities. With this bill, the state would effectively legalize anti-trans harassment, sending a resounding message to trans people that they are not welcome in public life.
But perhaps the galling component of the bill is its astonishing interference into private businesses. For years, conservatives have been complaining that LGBT non-discrimination ordinances impede the liberty of business owners. These businesses, conservatives argue, should have the freedom to conduct their affairs however they so choose—even if that means kicking out gay customers who want to buy their products. With the tables turned, however, Florida’s right-wing legislators have changed their tune, arguing that private business owners should be forbidden from letting trans customers use their bathrooms. This intrusion into the autonomy of businesses is as hideously hypocritical as it is unsurprising. Most conservatives are only willing to defend business owners’ rights so long as they’re exercising their right to discriminate against LGBTQ people. When businesses wish to tolerate LGBTQ customers, conservatives have no problem passing a law restricting their liberty.
It is probably too soon to tell whether Florida’s bill will pass—though given this legislature’s track record, any bill designed to demean a sexual minority has fair odds of becoming law. Either way, the mere existence of such a mean-spirited bill sends a blunt message to the state’s trans community that they are not welcome here. It was probably inevitable that, once the marriage equality debate settled down, those who dedicate their lives to promoting hatred would set their sights on trans people. But the maliciousness and celerity with which Florida’s legislators have zeroed in on the trans community suggests the next battle for LGBTQ rights will be a brutal one.
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