HA!
Because we have heterosexual marriage, transgender people get to use whatever bathrooms they want?
You're insane!
Bathroom acceptance is just like women's suffrage amirite?
FL Bill Would Imprison TSs For Using Bathrooms
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FL Bill Would Imprison TSs for Using Bathrooms
Hey if anyone wants to claim they are insane it's going to be me buddy !
Ragnarok.Nausi said: » I guess? Again, avoid the hysterical nonsense McHugh uses to sensationalize. I avoid public bathrooms like the plague anyways lol. I don't talk to people in there when I go in and i'm not looking around to see who is in there. in and out in under 30 seconds if at all possible lol.
Unless real life is a television adapted version of Gradeschool where the curious little boys and girls try to sneak in to the bathroom of the opposite gender to quench their curiosity I don't think anyone goes into bathrooms to check people out. You go in there to take care of business and escape the nastiness that you were forced to endure. I've never once thought of it as a comfort issue and gay men and women already use the restrooms soooooooo... Idk maybe its just me but it doesn't seem like a big deal to let someone use the bathroom if that's what they are now.
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Lakshmi.Flavin said: » I don't think anyone goes into bathrooms to check people out. Though, on that note, I understand why bathroom stalls use only partial partitions (ease of cleaning and ventilation), I wish there could be a way to get around that. I've never seen a camera sneaking around the walls, but I also avoid public bathrooms and even the bathrooms in my workplace.
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Shiva.Onorgul said: » Ragnarok.Nausi said: » I guess? Again, avoid the hysterical nonsense McHugh uses to sensationalize. You're rational boils down to some variant of 'the safety of trans people hinges on whether or not the world affirms their own personal delusions.' No it doesn't, period. You were born a man, with man parts, you are a man. You may identify more with societies idea of femininity than masculinity, but you are still a man. I am not the spitting image of masculinity that I was expose to as a child. My ectomorphic body type doesn't like to add muscle mass, like ever. I will never be as hulking as he-man or any of Arnold Schwarzenegger's 80's movie action hero. It doesn't matter, I am still just as much of a man as any of those action heros. We all scratch our nuts, and ***in the same toilets. Where's the overwhelming data that the trans are being assaulted at every turn in bathrooms across America because they aren't regarded as the sex they wish they were? Verda said: » Your statement is as ignorant and discriminatory and hateful as the stated above, the only difference is who it's pointed at. Only a moron like you could pull something as HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE as you just said out of that. I don't see the rational and logic in changing how we segregate the sexes in regards to bathrooms, it must be because I HATE someone. Verda said: » And what do gays care if they can get married or not, why are they so sensitive jeeze. And why do women care if they have equal opportunities or not. Or equal pay. Just to spare their feelings? Lol they suck. It's not like paying them more changes the fact they suck amirite. A huge one. Shiva.Onorgul said: » Lakshmi.Flavin said: » I don't think anyone goes into bathrooms to check people out. Though, on that note, I understand why bathroom stalls use only partial partitions (ease of cleaning and ventilation), I wish there could be a way to get around that. I've never seen a camera sneaking around the walls, but I also avoid public bathrooms and even the bathrooms in my workplace. Verda said: » Shiva.Onorgul said: » Lakshmi.Flavin said: » I don't think anyone goes into bathrooms to check people out. Though, on that note, I understand why bathroom stalls use only partial partitions (ease of cleaning and ventilation), I wish there could be a way to get around that. I've never seen a camera sneaking around the walls, but I also avoid public bathrooms and even the bathrooms in my workplace. Insisting that a certain group of people be able to use whatever restroom they want while the rest of us (mere cis) use a sex specific restroom IS the discrimination. If I said white people could use either black or white restrooms while black people can ONLY use black restrooms, that would be discriminatory no? If I went around insisting I was black because I felt black (I'm quite pale btw), you could call me delusional and you wouldn't have to hate me to do so Ragnarok.Nausi said: » Where's the overwhelming data that the trans are being assaulted at every turn in bathrooms across America because they aren't regarded as the sex they wish they were? Tracking violence statistics against transgender and other people belonging to sexual minorities is difficult since it relies on both the victim either sharing that information or it being shared with whatever agency is collecting it (as in the case of a murdered person). Nonetheless, transgender people are over 50% more likely than a heteronormative person to experience violence and even more likely to be injured and require medical care from that violence. Singling them out by forcing them to drop their seeming (remembering that quite a lot of transgender people do not undergo SRS or HRT and many still pass as their declared gender) is literally inviting violence. We're talking about people who have committed no crimes, have no intention of committing crimes, being treated as criminals and branded for vigilante response. And god help the transgender person, especially MTF, who does have to deal with the police because they're over 400% more likely to be on the receiving end of police violence. But let's invert the argument and ask the question I ask repeatedly: what harm does it cause? I can virtually guarantee you've used the bathroom next to people with felony criminal records, up to and including charges of violence. If you and someone with an assault-and-battery conviction can piss without incident, what changes when a law-abiding person whose genitals may or may not resemble their 23rd chromosome pair tries to do the same? If you did read back, you may have found the problematic sticking point: transgender people who can't pass as their stated gender. There's not an easy answer for that. Bruce Jenner is probably never going to look passably female, even though he may have enough money to do extensive facial reconstruction. Where will Bruce go to pee without risking injury? I don't know. As I stated, it's one reason why I think sex-segregated bathrooms should be abolished altogether. Ragnarok.Nausi said: » If I said white people could use either black or white restrooms while black people can ONLY use black restrooms, that would be discriminatory no? If I went around insisting I was black because I felt black (I'm quite pale btw), you could call me delusional and you wouldn't have to hate me to do so Historically, black folk were prevented from using the same bathroom as white folk. There was no actual admonition preventing a white person going into the colored bathroom (to my knowledge, anyhow, do correct me if I'm wrong), but a white person doing so would be at risk for retaliatory violence from both white and black people alike. But what about people who the government claims are black yet can pass as white? I had a friend in college who was a quarter Afro-Carribbean. His grandmother was very dark, but he was pale with smooth, dark hair. As far as federal and university records-keeping were concerned, he was black, but there's literally no way you'd have guessed that to look at him. Would you have insisted he walk into the colored bathroom? Do you think that'd be right? And how the hell would you ever know if I didn't tell you? Verda said: » Ragnarok.Nausi said: » Verda said: » Shiva.Onorgul said: » Lakshmi.Flavin said: » I don't think anyone goes into bathrooms to check people out. Though, on that note, I understand why bathroom stalls use only partial partitions (ease of cleaning and ventilation), I wish there could be a way to get around that. I've never seen a camera sneaking around the walls, but I also avoid public bathrooms and even the bathrooms in my workplace. Insisting that a certain group of people be able to use whatever restroom they want while the rest of us (mere cis) use a sex specific restroom IS the discrimination. If I said white people could use either black or white restrooms while black people can ONLY use black restrooms, that would be discriminatory no? If I went around insisting I was black because I felt black (I'm quite pale btw), you could call me delusional and you wouldn't have to hate me to do so If you're gonna double down on being a judgmental asshat, you could at least be creative about it. The fact that you've chosen to ignore my points just means you don't have any will to contest them. You're just another self righteous and intolerant liberal who cannot handle an opposing viewpoint without resorting to name calling. If a one sex gets a higher wage because of their sex (as opposed to any reason that loosely follows sex correlated statistics) then that is indeed sexism. For instance when women are offered a lower physical standard to become a firefighter / police office than men, that's sexism. Or when women are offered maternity leave but men aren't, that's sexism too. Finally how do you know I don't secretly dress up in drag on the weekend and masquerade around as a woman? Ragnarok.Nausi said: » Finally how do you know I don't secretly dress up in drag on the weekend and masquerade around as a woman? Ragnarok.Nausi said: » Verda said: » Shiva.Onorgul said: » Lakshmi.Flavin said: » I don't think anyone goes into bathrooms to check people out. Though, on that note, I understand why bathroom stalls use only partial partitions (ease of cleaning and ventilation), I wish there could be a way to get around that. I've never seen a camera sneaking around the walls, but I also avoid public bathrooms and even the bathrooms in my workplace. Insisting that a certain group of people be able to use whatever restroom they want while the rest of us (mere cis) use a sex specific restroom IS the discrimination. If I said white people could use either black or white restrooms while black people can ONLY use black restrooms, that would be discriminatory no? If I went around insisting I was black because I felt black (I'm quite pale btw), you could call me delusional and you wouldn't have to hate me to do so It's not "whatever restroom they want", it's the restroom that corresponds to the gender they live as and may or may not be the gender they were born as. The way you describe it, it's only discrimination if it hurts you, which is an incredibly narcissistic view of the world. That also represents a mental illness. One could easily say that your narcissism is a mental disorder and we should be able to enact laws that disenfranchise you. Shiva.Onorgul said: » Ragnarok.Nausi said: » Where's the overwhelming data that the trans are being assaulted at every turn in bathrooms across America because they aren't regarded as the sex they wish they were? See at least THIS is consistent with an idea of non discriminatory. I don't understand how we can evaluate this as such and yet somehow advocate that the rules apply to men and women but not to transgender, and think it's not discriminatory. All the accepted mechanics suddenly fly out the window when you replace male or female with transgender. Oh the rules shouldn't apply to transgender, they deserve "special" rights. Shiva.Onorgul said: » forcing someone who appears female to walk into the men's room or someone who appears male to walk into the women's room is a very effective way of instigating an assault response, even if it doesn't take place immediately in that bathroom. Tracking violence statistics against transgender and other people belonging to sexual minorities is difficult since it relies on both the victim either sharing that information or it being shared with whatever agency is collecting it (as in the case of a murdered person). Nonetheless, transgender people are over 50% more likely than a heteronormative person to experience violence and even more likely to be injured and require medical care from that violence. Again I will ask, where is the overwhelming evidence that the assaults on trans people is overwhelmingly because they are legally required to use the bathroom associated with their sex. Despite that one can logically follow your train of thought, I could just as easily say, if you let people claiming to be transgender into opposing bathrooms, some people who aren't transgender will claim to be transgender just so they can get into an opposing bathroom. Odin.Jassik said: » Ragnarok.Nausi said: » Verda said: » Shiva.Onorgul said: » Lakshmi.Flavin said: » I don't think anyone goes into bathrooms to check people out. Though, on that note, I understand why bathroom stalls use only partial partitions (ease of cleaning and ventilation), I wish there could be a way to get around that. I've never seen a camera sneaking around the walls, but I also avoid public bathrooms and even the bathrooms in my workplace. Insisting that a certain group of people be able to use whatever restroom they want while the rest of us (mere cis) use a sex specific restroom IS the discrimination. If I said white people could use either black or white restrooms while black people can ONLY use black restrooms, that would be discriminatory no? If I went around insisting I was black because I felt black (I'm quite pale btw), you could call me delusional and you wouldn't have to hate me to do so It's not "whatever restroom they want", it's the restroom that corresponds to the gender they live as and may or may not be the gender they were born as. The way you describe it, it's only discrimination if it hurts you, which is an incredibly narcissistic view of the world. That also represents a mental illness. One could easily say that your narcissism is a mental disorder and we should be able to enact laws that disenfranchise you. Try harder... Caitsith.Shiroi said: » Ragnarok.Nausi said: » Again I will ask, where is the overwhelming evidence that the assaults on trans people is overwhelmingly because they are legally required to use the bathroom associated with their sex. Despite that one can logically follow your train of thought, I could just as easily say, if you let people claiming to be transgender into opposing bathrooms, some people who aren't transgender will claim to be transgender just so they can get into an opposing bathroom. So where is your overwhelming evidence? Honestly, he made better arguments as to why fluoride in water wasn't *as* necessary as it was when it came about in the mid 1850's, to very early 1900's. Caitsith.Shiroi said: » Ragnarok.Nausi said: » Again I will ask, where is the overwhelming evidence that the assaults on trans people is overwhelmingly because they are legally required to use the bathroom associated with their sex. Despite that one can logically follow your train of thought, I could just as easily say, if you let people claiming to be transgender into opposing bathrooms, some people who aren't transgender will claim to be transgender just so they can get into an opposing bathroom. So where is your overwhelming evidence? Well why do we separate bathrooms by sex today? Why would I get arrested if I just strolled into the women's room? Ragnarok.Nausi said: » because they are legally required to use the bathroom associated with their sex. Ragnarok.Nausi said: » some people who aren't transgender will claim to be transgender just so they can get into an opposing bathroom. Why are they going into the wrong bathroom? To commit a crime, probably peeping, maybe something far worse like theft, assault, or rape. What presently stops me from pulling on a dress and going into the women's room to commit a crime? NOTHING. What changes if transgender people are allowed to go into the "wrong" bathroom with no intent to commit a crime? Nothing. A criminal is going to commit a crime despite what the law says. That's basically the definition of "criminal." Criminalizing someone who does something that causes no harm, on the other hand, is unethical discrimination. |
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