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By Bloodrose 2015-02-09 15:52:51
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I've seen the remnants of people who've intentionally left fecal stains smeared across as much surface as possible, or refuse to flush, leaving a filthy turd soup in the toilet bowl.

Even worse, seeing fecal matter in a urinal.
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By Shiva.Onorgul 2015-02-09 15:52:51
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Jetackuu said: »
Personally I don't give a ***, but again: this law isn't about ***.
Oh, you're going with that whole "A gun doesn't fire bullets" semantic *** again. Why did I unblock you?

You want to jump on the "I hate transgender people and think they should all be medicated and locked in a small room" train again. I want you to explain how that affects your life so much that you have an opinion.

I literally go out of my way to interact with demographics so small they're almost statistically insignificant and I almost never meet transgendered people. They have no impact on my life, so I really don't care about them. Part of not caring is not impinging on them unless there's a good reason. You clearly do care, so I'm demanding you explain to me why. There has to be a practical reason why this particular issue of why a transgender person exists merits so much of your concern.

I find it interesting that someone with a very poorly-looked-upon paraphilia is quick to jump on the bandwagon claiming that a different paraphilia (which, incidentally, doesn't affect other people at all) is so disgusting and sick that it should be medicated.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-02-09 15:53:16
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Bloodrose said: »
Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
Jetackuu said: »
Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
Jet annoyed with PC gone too far?! What's next, KN and LG agreeing on banking practices?

I've never been one for political correctness, you know that.
Hmmm....

You might have a point...

I'm gonna have to consummate with the Majestic.
Wise ***.
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By Bloodrose 2015-02-09 15:54:18
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Better a wise *** than a dumb ***!
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-02-09 15:57:08
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Shiva.Onorgul said: »
Jetackuu said: »
Personally I don't give a ***, but again: this law isn't about ***.
Oh, you're going with that whole "A gun doesn't fire bullets" semantic *** again. Why did I unblock you?

You want to jump on the "I hate transgender people and think they should all be medicated and locked in a small room" train again.
Now I get why people use the phrase 'projecting' a lot on here.

He never said that.
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By Jetackuu 2015-02-09 15:57:20
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Shiva.Onorgul said: »
Jetackuu said: »
Personally I don't give a ***, but again: this law isn't about ***.
Oh, you're going with that whole "A gun doesn't fire bullets" semantic *** again. Why did I unblock you?

You want to jump on the "I hate transgender people and think they should all be medicated and locked in a small room" train again. I want you to explain how that affects your life so much that you have an opinion.

I literally go out of my way to interact with demographics so small they're almost statistically insignificant and I almost never meet transgendered people. They have no impact on my life, so I really don't care about them. Part of not caring is not impinging on them unless there's a good reason. You clearly do care, so I'm demanding you explain to me why. There has to be a practical reason why this particular issue of why a transgender person exists merits so much of your concern.

I find it interesting that someone with a very poorly-looked-upon paraphilia is quick to jump on the bandwagon claiming that a different paraphilia (which, incidentally, doesn't affect other people at all) is so disgusting and sick that it should be medicated.

You need to stop smoking crack, as apparently your memory isn't so great.

Or your reading comprehension, as lol, what?

I don't hate transgendered people, nor have I ever stated anything as such, or most of the garbage you just put in your keyboard.

I don't care about ***, or what bathroom they use, it is none of my concern. But again with the attacks and deflection and wild accusations.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-02-09 15:57:20
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Bloodrose said: »
Better a wise *** than a dumb ***!
Touche.
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By Shiva.Onorgul 2015-02-09 15:58:19
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Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
He never said that.
The former is a paraphrase. The latter is an implication based on statements.

Projection would be me calling him trans-accepting. Learn your psych terms or stop using them.
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By Shiva.Onorgul 2015-02-09 15:59:11
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Jetackuu said: »
I don't care about ***, or what bathroom they use, it is none of my concern.
You don't read very well (big shock).

You clearly do care because you're deeply invested in why transgender people exist. I want to know why.
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By Jetackuu 2015-02-09 15:59:20
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Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
Shiva.Onorgul said: »
Jetackuu said: »
Personally I don't give a ***, but again: this law isn't about ***.
Oh, you're going with that whole "A gun doesn't fire bullets" semantic *** again. Why did I unblock you?

You want to jump on the "I hate transgender people and think they should all be medicated and locked in a small room" train again.
Now I get why people use the phrase 'projecting' a lot on here.

He never said that.
We know, he's just flailing at this point, it's kinda cute, I guess.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-02-09 15:59:42
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Shiva.Onorgul said: »
Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
He never said that.
The former is a paraphrase. The latter is an implication based on statements.

Projection would be me calling him trans-accepting. Learn your psych terms or stop using them.
Only if you learn how to read without using your own personal agenda in projecting the opinions of others.
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By Bloodrose 2015-02-09 16:00:19
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Reading is for Huffington Post articles !

Wait, I don't read !
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-02-09 16:01:16
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Shiva.Onorgul said: »
Jetackuu said: »
I don't care about ***, or what bathroom they use, it is none of my concern.
You don't read very well (big shock).

You clearly do care because you're deeply invested in why transgender people exist. I want to know why.
YOU are the only one who is obsessed with transgender people and other people's opinion about them.
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By Jetackuu 2015-02-09 16:01:36
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Shiva.Onorgul said: »
Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
He never said that.
The former is a paraphrase. The latter is an implication based on statements.

Projection would be me calling him trans-accepting. Learn your psych terms or stop using them.
and yet neither are correct in any way shape or form.

Shiva.Onorgul said: »
Jetackuu said: »
I don't care about ***, or what bathroom they use, it is none of my concern.
You don't read very well (big shock).

You clearly do care because you're deeply invested in why transgender people exist. I want to know why.

Literally: no you.

I don't care, I'm not deeply invested, and you're nitpicking and baiting at this point, aside from flailing and being an ignorant ***.
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By Shiva.Onorgul 2015-02-09 16:01:41
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Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
Only if you learn how to read without using your own personal agenda in projecting the opinions of others.
Again with using the word wrong. What you claiming is that I'm assuming his opinions. Which is true, I am assuming on the basis of what he writes. Pardon me using context and evidence, shall I rely on your use of non sequitur and deliberate provocation designed to change the subject instead?
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By Blazed1979 2015-02-09 16:02:46
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Know what kind of law I'd make for public toilets?

When they open in the morning they're pristine clean, then every person who goes in has to use aptly equipped cleaning products and use them to disinfect the environment completely before leaving. Some poor guy with no better job will sit there making sure people do the cleaning after they're done.

Will this make lines longer? Yes. But don't care.

I'm going to the gas station to get some smokes. I'm gonna film this...this..public toilet for you and upload it onto youtube. then share the link. You haven't seen filth yet.
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By fonewear 2015-02-09 16:03:43
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Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
Shiva.Onorgul said: »
Jetackuu said: »
I don't care about ***, or what bathroom they use, it is none of my concern.
You don't read very well (big shock).

You clearly do care because you're deeply invested in why transgender people exist. I want to know why.
YOU are the only one who is obsessed with transgender people and other people's opinion about them.

I'm obsessed with whatever like you know !
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-02-09 16:03:46
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Shiva.Onorgul said: »
Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
Only if you learn how to read without using your own personal agenda in projecting the opinions of others.
Again with using the word wrong. What you claiming is that I'm assuming his opinions. Which is true, I am assuming on the basis of what he writes. Pardon me using context and evidence, shall I rely on your use of non sequitur and deliberate provocation designed to change the subject instead?
Do it up.
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By Shiva.Onorgul 2015-02-09 16:04:04
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Jetackuu said: »
I don't care, I'm not deeply invested, and you're nitpicking and baiting at this point, aside from flailing and being an ignorant ***.
Literally every time a transgender topic comes up, you positively leap on any discussion of why someone is transgender (to beat your chest and scream that it's a mental illness according to the DSM). This intrigues me.

If you don't like having your star hitched to the very toxic topic of Blanchard's research, don't [+] it. This idea that only your exact words convey your thoughts is facile.
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By Jetackuu 2015-02-09 16:04:07
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Shiva.Onorgul said: »
Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
Only if you learn how to read without using your own personal agenda in projecting the opinions of others.
Again with using the word wrong. What you claiming is that I'm assuming his opinions. Which is true, I am assuming on the basis of what he writes. Pardon me using context and evidence, shall I rely on your use of non sequitur and deliberate provocation designed to change the subject instead?
No you're assuming based on your own prejudices and bias, which have nothing to do with me.

You confuse your bias with context and evidence, just an fyi.

I have concluded and stated the reasons as to why, yet you're going to continue flailing. Just block me, as your blind hatred won't let you see reality.
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By Bloodrose 2015-02-09 16:05:43
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Gotta say, at least the music sounds pretty good for such a deeply undercover mission.
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By Shiva.Onorgul 2015-02-09 16:06:20
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Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
Shiva.Onorgul said: »
Jetackuu said: »
I don't care about ***, or what bathroom they use, it is none of my concern.
You don't read very well (big shock).

You clearly do care because you're deeply invested in why transgender people exist. I want to know why.
YOU are the only one who is obsessed with transgender people and other people's opinion about them.
I'm troubled by the fact this law exists because it's symptomatic of how the law is used to push agendas with no legitimate basis in law.

Aren't you one of those crazy folks who thinks that the government has too much power? Does that opinion evaporate when someone makes a law that doesn't affect you? I'll risk Godwin by digging up a famous poem if it'll help.
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By Leviathan.Comeatmebro 2015-02-09 16:08:10
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Verda said: »
No, you can't backpedal out of it and also shift the burden of proof. That's not how debates work and it's not how science works. It's more like drunken logic, reserved for bars where you pat other people on the back for having the same world view as yours and dislike and characterize anyone who disagrees.

Leviathan.Comeatmebro said: »
How about a compromise: When science produces a credible study with clear parameters and an adequate sample size indicating transexualism is anything more than autogynephilia, we can discuss exceptions for the gendered bathroom laws.

That's your quote. You claim that we have to prove to you that autogynephilia is false, or it is autogynephilia. First though you'd have to prove autogynephilia is credible. So far all we've found is peer reviews that it's not even scientific in it's own base studies, accusing people that disagree as liars and only taking evidence that supports it's view.

After that you decide that, hey autogynephilia isn't really something you wish to stand behind. Fine. Then you claim to never have cared about it anyway (backpedal).

Also being scared of a little text doesn't really lend any credibility to you.
Poorly phrased original statement, accepted it was wrong. You can argue about it as long as you want, but without an opponent it's a bit silly. 'being scared of a little text' != 'not wanting to address every irrelevant sentence you throw into your responses'.. being concise is important to communication.

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There does exist credible studies that it is biological, but I'm not doing your research for you, nor am I letting you shift the burden of proof to me just so you can invent ways it's wrong and vomit your opinion over everything as if it's proof.
"It exists, but I can't find it and you'll say it's wrong anyway."

Wrong answer. There is enough of a crowd searching for a biological cause that were an adequate study conducted, it would be linked all over the internet and arguments to the contrary would already be addressed.

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There is evidence that during the brain's developmental stage, the brain is "washed" with either estrogen or testosterone. This washing will determine if you have a "male" or "female" brain connections. This can and has gone wrong, washing and "programming" the brain to be female when you have male parts and so on. How does the trans community feel about this?
http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs10508-009-9485-7 Ah, this.

https://biologicaltheoriestrans.wordpress.com/2012/07/30/pre-natal-exposure-to-high-levels-of-tetesterone/ Here's a rebuttal.


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There have been studies that will do detailed scans on the differences between male and female brains. And they are inconclusive as well.
https://sillyolme.wordpress.com/2011/01/08/seeing-the-world-in-grey-and-white/ At least you acknowledge it's inconclusive.

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But assuming that they are perverts and marginalizing and blaming their behavior for their condition is just as bad as what was done to homosexuals so long. Even stating it as a condition is wrong. Culture is the one that has generalization all *** up and narrow. Not mother nature. Though I might concede that genders and sex and all the weird ways it happens (read up on hyenas or mantis if you want to see some *** up ***), is *** up but it's definitely not narrow and we definitely shouldn't blame anyone that turns out a bit differently.
Their 'condition' could easily be interpreted as a mental health issue. They don't need to be marginalized. They don't need to be assumed as perverts. They don't need hormone therapy, SRS, or 3 pounds of makeup.

Maybe a guy enjoys wearing dresses. Maybe he wants to participate in activities prominent among females. This doesn't have to be a disorder. With the regret rate among SRS patients, the suicide rate among transgenders, and the ineffectiveness of hormone therapy and SRS in lowering suicide rates.. it doesn't seem to be a huge jump that these people could benefit more from actual therapy than simply having their prescriptions rubber-stamped.
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By Jetackuu 2015-02-09 16:08:28
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Shiva.Onorgul said: »
Jetackuu said: »
I don't care, I'm not deeply invested, and you're nitpicking and baiting at this point, aside from flailing and being an ignorant ***.
Literally every time a transgender topic comes up, you positively leap on any discussion of why someone is transgender (to beat your chest and scream that it's a mental illness according to the DSM). This intrigues me.

If you don't like having your star hitched to the very toxic topic of Blanchard's research, don't [+] it. This idea that only your exact words convey your thoughts is facile.
The fact that you obviously cannot comprehend the facts that somebody can actually mean what they say and that up voting somebody could be for part of their content, not every bit of it speaks loudly about you as a person.

Also your exaggerations are amusing, but I promise you one thing, you do not intrigue me.
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By fonewear 2015-02-09 16:09:13
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I leave for a bit and this is what happens !
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By fonewear 2015-02-09 16:10:41
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At moments like these I wonder what would RuPaul would do ?

I'm sure it would be fabulous and involve some sort of drag racing.
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By Shiva.Onorgul 2015-02-09 16:13:40
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Leviathan.Comeatmebro said: »
it doesn't seem to be a huge jump that these people could benefit more from actual therapy than simply having their prescriptions rubber-stamped.
Where does that happen? The process of getting approved for SRS or even hormone therapy is neither brief nor easy (unless one is really rich, I suppose).

I'll repeat the question I keep asking, though: why does this matter? How does it affect you?

If someone wants to change their appearance, so what? If you're bankrolling it, then you have an investment, but that's not the case. It certainly sounds like you just want to control what someone does to their own bodies with their own money. Shall we make a law preventing cosmetic dentistry and buying cars worth more than $30,000, too?
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By Bloodrose 2015-02-09 16:13:49
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Drag Racing takes on a whole new meaning for RuPaul than it does for everyone else.
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By fonewear 2015-02-09 16:14:42
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I thought until yesterday drag racing didn't involve cars...the cars ruined my experience I want a refund !
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By fonewear 2015-02-09 16:18:21
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I think I found a solution to make everyone happy:

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