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FL Bill Would Imprison TSs for Using Bathrooms
By Bloodrose 2015-02-09 15:52:51
I've seen the remnants of people who've intentionally left fecal stains smeared across as much surface as possible, or refuse to flush, leaving a filthy turd soup in the toilet bowl.
Even worse, seeing fecal matter in a urinal.
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By Shiva.Onorgul 2015-02-09 15:52:51
Personally I don't give a ***, but again: this law isn't about ***. Oh, you're going with that whole "A gun doesn't fire bullets" semantic *** again. Why did I unblock you?
You want to jump on the "I hate transgender people and think they should all be medicated and locked in a small room" train again. I want you to explain how that affects your life so much that you have an opinion.
I literally go out of my way to interact with demographics so small they're almost statistically insignificant and I almost never meet transgendered people. They have no impact on my life, so I really don't care about them. Part of not caring is not impinging on them unless there's a good reason. You clearly do care, so I'm demanding you explain to me why. There has to be a practical reason why this particular issue of why a transgender person exists merits so much of your concern.
I find it interesting that someone with a very poorly-looked-upon paraphilia is quick to jump on the bandwagon claiming that a different paraphilia (which, incidentally, doesn't affect other people at all) is so disgusting and sick that it should be medicated.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-02-09 15:53:16
Jet annoyed with PC gone too far?! What's next, KN and LG agreeing on banking practices?
I've never been one for political correctness, you know that. Hmmm....
You might have a point...
I'm gonna have to consummate with the Majestic. Wise ***.
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By Bloodrose 2015-02-09 15:54:18
Better a wise *** than a dumb ***!
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-02-09 15:57:08
Personally I don't give a ***, but again: this law isn't about ***. Oh, you're going with that whole "A gun doesn't fire bullets" semantic *** again. Why did I unblock you?
You want to jump on the "I hate transgender people and think they should all be medicated and locked in a small room" train again. Now I get why people use the phrase 'projecting' a lot on here.
He never said that.
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By Jetackuu 2015-02-09 15:57:20
Personally I don't give a ***, but again: this law isn't about ***. Oh, you're going with that whole "A gun doesn't fire bullets" semantic *** again. Why did I unblock you?
You want to jump on the "I hate transgender people and think they should all be medicated and locked in a small room" train again. I want you to explain how that affects your life so much that you have an opinion.
I literally go out of my way to interact with demographics so small they're almost statistically insignificant and I almost never meet transgendered people. They have no impact on my life, so I really don't care about them. Part of not caring is not impinging on them unless there's a good reason. You clearly do care, so I'm demanding you explain to me why. There has to be a practical reason why this particular issue of why a transgender person exists merits so much of your concern.
I find it interesting that someone with a very poorly-looked-upon paraphilia is quick to jump on the bandwagon claiming that a different paraphilia (which, incidentally, doesn't affect other people at all) is so disgusting and sick that it should be medicated.
You need to stop smoking crack, as apparently your memory isn't so great.
Or your reading comprehension, as lol, what?
I don't hate transgendered people, nor have I ever stated anything as such, or most of the garbage you just put in your keyboard.
I don't care about ***, or what bathroom they use, it is none of my concern. But again with the attacks and deflection and wild accusations.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-02-09 15:57:20
Better a wise *** than a dumb ***! Touche.
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By Shiva.Onorgul 2015-02-09 15:58:19
The former is a paraphrase. The latter is an implication based on statements.
Projection would be me calling him trans-accepting. Learn your psych terms or stop using them.
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By Shiva.Onorgul 2015-02-09 15:59:11
I don't care about ***, or what bathroom they use, it is none of my concern. You don't read very well (big shock).
You clearly do care because you're deeply invested in why transgender people exist. I want to know why.
By Jetackuu 2015-02-09 15:59:20
Personally I don't give a ***, but again: this law isn't about ***. Oh, you're going with that whole "A gun doesn't fire bullets" semantic *** again. Why did I unblock you?
You want to jump on the "I hate transgender people and think they should all be medicated and locked in a small room" train again. Now I get why people use the phrase 'projecting' a lot on here.
He never said that. We know, he's just flailing at this point, it's kinda cute, I guess.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-02-09 15:59:42
The former is a paraphrase. The latter is an implication based on statements.
Projection would be me calling him trans-accepting. Learn your psych terms or stop using them. Only if you learn how to read without using your own personal agenda in projecting the opinions of others.
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By Bloodrose 2015-02-09 16:00:19
Reading is for Huffington Post articles !
Wait, I don't read !
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-02-09 16:01:16
I don't care about ***, or what bathroom they use, it is none of my concern. You don't read very well (big shock).
You clearly do care because you're deeply invested in why transgender people exist. I want to know why. YOU are the only one who is obsessed with transgender people and other people's opinion about them.
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By Jetackuu 2015-02-09 16:01:36
The former is a paraphrase. The latter is an implication based on statements.
Projection would be me calling him trans-accepting. Learn your psych terms or stop using them. and yet neither are correct in any way shape or form.
I don't care about ***, or what bathroom they use, it is none of my concern. You don't read very well (big shock).
You clearly do care because you're deeply invested in why transgender people exist. I want to know why.
Literally: no you.
I don't care, I'm not deeply invested, and you're nitpicking and baiting at this point, aside from flailing and being an ignorant ***.
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By Shiva.Onorgul 2015-02-09 16:01:41
Only if you learn how to read without using your own personal agenda in projecting the opinions of others. Again with using the word wrong. What you claiming is that I'm assuming his opinions. Which is true, I am assuming on the basis of what he writes. Pardon me using context and evidence, shall I rely on your use of non sequitur and deliberate provocation designed to change the subject instead?
By Blazed1979 2015-02-09 16:02:46
Know what kind of law I'd make for public toilets?
When they open in the morning they're pristine clean, then every person who goes in has to use aptly equipped cleaning products and use them to disinfect the environment completely before leaving. Some poor guy with no better job will sit there making sure people do the cleaning after they're done.
Will this make lines longer? Yes. But don't care.
I'm going to the gas station to get some smokes. I'm gonna film this...this..public toilet for you and upload it onto youtube. then share the link. You haven't seen filth yet. Mission failed
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By fonewear 2015-02-09 16:03:43
I don't care about ***, or what bathroom they use, it is none of my concern. You don't read very well (big shock).
You clearly do care because you're deeply invested in why transgender people exist. I want to know why. YOU are the only one who is obsessed with transgender people and other people's opinion about them.
I'm obsessed with whatever like you know !
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-02-09 16:03:46
Only if you learn how to read without using your own personal agenda in projecting the opinions of others. Again with using the word wrong. What you claiming is that I'm assuming his opinions. Which is true, I am assuming on the basis of what he writes. Pardon me using context and evidence, shall I rely on your use of non sequitur and deliberate provocation designed to change the subject instead? Do it up.
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By Shiva.Onorgul 2015-02-09 16:04:04
I don't care, I'm not deeply invested, and you're nitpicking and baiting at this point, aside from flailing and being an ignorant ***. Literally every time a transgender topic comes up, you positively leap on any discussion of why someone is transgender (to beat your chest and scream that it's a mental illness according to the DSM). This intrigues me.
If you don't like having your star hitched to the very toxic topic of Blanchard's research, don't [+] it. This idea that only your exact words convey your thoughts is facile.
By Jetackuu 2015-02-09 16:04:07
Only if you learn how to read without using your own personal agenda in projecting the opinions of others. Again with using the word wrong. What you claiming is that I'm assuming his opinions. Which is true, I am assuming on the basis of what he writes. Pardon me using context and evidence, shall I rely on your use of non sequitur and deliberate provocation designed to change the subject instead? No you're assuming based on your own prejudices and bias, which have nothing to do with me.
You confuse your bias with context and evidence, just an fyi.
I have concluded and stated the reasons as to why, yet you're going to continue flailing. Just block me, as your blind hatred won't let you see reality.
By Bloodrose 2015-02-09 16:05:43
Gotta say, at least the music sounds pretty good for such a deeply undercover mission.
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By Shiva.Onorgul 2015-02-09 16:06:20
I don't care about ***, or what bathroom they use, it is none of my concern. You don't read very well (big shock).
You clearly do care because you're deeply invested in why transgender people exist. I want to know why. YOU are the only one who is obsessed with transgender people and other people's opinion about them. I'm troubled by the fact this law exists because it's symptomatic of how the law is used to push agendas with no legitimate basis in law.
Aren't you one of those crazy folks who thinks that the government has too much power? Does that opinion evaporate when someone makes a law that doesn't affect you? I'll risk Godwin by digging up a famous poem if it'll help.
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By Leviathan.Comeatmebro 2015-02-09 16:08:10
No, you can't backpedal out of it and also shift the burden of proof. That's not how debates work and it's not how science works. It's more like drunken logic, reserved for bars where you pat other people on the back for having the same world view as yours and dislike and characterize anyone who disagrees.
Leviathan.Comeatmebro said: »How about a compromise: When science produces a credible study with clear parameters and an adequate sample size indicating transexualism is anything more than autogynephilia, we can discuss exceptions for the gendered bathroom laws.
That's your quote. You claim that we have to prove to you that autogynephilia is false, or it is autogynephilia. First though you'd have to prove autogynephilia is credible. So far all we've found is peer reviews that it's not even scientific in it's own base studies, accusing people that disagree as liars and only taking evidence that supports it's view.
After that you decide that, hey autogynephilia isn't really something you wish to stand behind. Fine. Then you claim to never have cared about it anyway (backpedal).
Also being scared of a little text doesn't really lend any credibility to you. Poorly phrased original statement, accepted it was wrong. You can argue about it as long as you want, but without an opponent it's a bit silly. 'being scared of a little text' != 'not wanting to address every irrelevant sentence you throw into your responses'.. being concise is important to communication.
Quote: There does exist credible studies that it is biological, but I'm not doing your research for you, nor am I letting you shift the burden of proof to me just so you can invent ways it's wrong and vomit your opinion over everything as if it's proof. "It exists, but I can't find it and you'll say it's wrong anyway."
Wrong answer. There is enough of a crowd searching for a biological cause that were an adequate study conducted, it would be linked all over the internet and arguments to the contrary would already be addressed.
Quote: There is evidence that during the brain's developmental stage, the brain is "washed" with either estrogen or testosterone. This washing will determine if you have a "male" or "female" brain connections. This can and has gone wrong, washing and "programming" the brain to be female when you have male parts and so on. How does the trans community feel about this? http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs10508-009-9485-7 Ah, this.
https://biologicaltheoriestrans.wordpress.com/2012/07/30/pre-natal-exposure-to-high-levels-of-tetesterone/ Here's a rebuttal.
Quote: There have been studies that will do detailed scans on the differences between male and female brains. And they are inconclusive as well. https://sillyolme.wordpress.com/2011/01/08/seeing-the-world-in-grey-and-white/ At least you acknowledge it's inconclusive.
Quote: But assuming that they are perverts and marginalizing and blaming their behavior for their condition is just as bad as what was done to homosexuals so long. Even stating it as a condition is wrong. Culture is the one that has generalization all *** up and narrow. Not mother nature. Though I might concede that genders and sex and all the weird ways it happens (read up on hyenas or mantis if you want to see some *** up ***), is *** up but it's definitely not narrow and we definitely shouldn't blame anyone that turns out a bit differently. Their 'condition' could easily be interpreted as a mental health issue. They don't need to be marginalized. They don't need to be assumed as perverts. They don't need hormone therapy, SRS, or 3 pounds of makeup.
Maybe a guy enjoys wearing dresses. Maybe he wants to participate in activities prominent among females. This doesn't have to be a disorder. With the regret rate among SRS patients, the suicide rate among transgenders, and the ineffectiveness of hormone therapy and SRS in lowering suicide rates.. it doesn't seem to be a huge jump that these people could benefit more from actual therapy than simply having their prescriptions rubber-stamped.
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By Jetackuu 2015-02-09 16:08:28
I don't care, I'm not deeply invested, and you're nitpicking and baiting at this point, aside from flailing and being an ignorant ***. Literally every time a transgender topic comes up, you positively leap on any discussion of why someone is transgender (to beat your chest and scream that it's a mental illness according to the DSM). This intrigues me.
If you don't like having your star hitched to the very toxic topic of Blanchard's research, don't [+] it. This idea that only your exact words convey your thoughts is facile. The fact that you obviously cannot comprehend the facts that somebody can actually mean what they say and that up voting somebody could be for part of their content, not every bit of it speaks loudly about you as a person.
Also your exaggerations are amusing, but I promise you one thing, you do not intrigue me.
By fonewear 2015-02-09 16:09:13
I leave for a bit and this is what happens !
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By fonewear 2015-02-09 16:10:41
At moments like these I wonder what would RuPaul would do ?
I'm sure it would be fabulous and involve some sort of drag racing.
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By Shiva.Onorgul 2015-02-09 16:13:40
Leviathan.Comeatmebro said: »it doesn't seem to be a huge jump that these people could benefit more from actual therapy than simply having their prescriptions rubber-stamped. Where does that happen? The process of getting approved for SRS or even hormone therapy is neither brief nor easy (unless one is really rich, I suppose).
I'll repeat the question I keep asking, though: why does this matter? How does it affect you?
If someone wants to change their appearance, so what? If you're bankrolling it, then you have an investment, but that's not the case. It certainly sounds like you just want to control what someone does to their own bodies with their own money. Shall we make a law preventing cosmetic dentistry and buying cars worth more than $30,000, too?
By Bloodrose 2015-02-09 16:13:49
Drag Racing takes on a whole new meaning for RuPaul than it does for everyone else.
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By fonewear 2015-02-09 16:14:42
I thought until yesterday drag racing didn't involve cars...the cars ruined my experience I want a refund !
By fonewear 2015-02-09 16:18:21
I think I found a solution to make everyone happy:
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Quote: Gay marriage has been legal in Florida for a month now, and at this point, even the state’s hardcore conservatives seem increasingly resigned to the fact that marriage equality is here to stay. Accordingly, Florida’s more bigoted legislators have decided to turn their ire toward another maligned, disfavored minority—trans people—by proposing one of the most viciously sadistic, hypocritical bills the legislature has ever considered.
The basic purpose of the bill is quite simple: to forbid trans people from using the public bathroom that matches their true gender. According to the bill’s text, any trans person who enters a “single-sex public facility” that doesn’t match their “biological sex” is guilty of a first-degree misdemeanor. A “single-sex public facility” includes bathrooms “maintained by an owner of public accommodations, a school, or a place of employment”—basically, any public bathroom in the entire state. Any trans person who violates the act could be sentenced to one year in prison.
It gets much, much worse. Any non-trans person who discovers a trans person using a bathroom that doesn’t align with their “biological sex” would be permitted to sue that trans person under the act. (If sued successfully, the trans person would have to pay their accuser’s attorney fees.) And, in a final turn of the screw, an “owner of public accommodations, a school, or a place of employment” who allows a trans person to use the bathroom of their true gender is liable for a civil suit. In other words, if a store owner does not actively prevent trans people from using her bathrooms, she can be sued by other customers. And of course, if the trans-friendly store owner is found to have allowed a trans person to use the bathroom, she’ll not only have to pay damages to disgruntled customers—she’ll also have to pay their attorney’s fees.
The obvious intent of this bill is to humiliate trans people by opening them up to criminal and civil liability merely for performing the most basic of bodily functions. Trans people already face harassment, discrimination, and sometimes violence while attempting to use the bathroom. This bill would effectively give anti-trans harassers the state’s blessing, while providing them a new avenue through which to shame trans Floridians—the court system. Many trans people are already anxious about using public bathrooms; some are afraid to leave their homes given the risk of verbal and physical abuse they face in public facilities. With this bill, the state would effectively legalize anti-trans harassment, sending a resounding message to trans people that they are not welcome in public life.
But perhaps the galling component of the bill is its astonishing interference into private businesses. For years, conservatives have been complaining that LGBT non-discrimination ordinances impede the liberty of business owners. These businesses, conservatives argue, should have the freedom to conduct their affairs however they so choose—even if that means kicking out gay customers who want to buy their products. With the tables turned, however, Florida’s right-wing legislators have changed their tune, arguing that private business owners should be forbidden from letting trans customers use their bathrooms. This intrusion into the autonomy of businesses is as hideously hypocritical as it is unsurprising. Most conservatives are only willing to defend business owners’ rights so long as they’re exercising their right to discriminate against LGBTQ people. When businesses wish to tolerate LGBTQ customers, conservatives have no problem passing a law restricting their liberty.
It is probably too soon to tell whether Florida’s bill will pass—though given this legislature’s track record, any bill designed to demean a sexual minority has fair odds of becoming law. Either way, the mere existence of such a mean-spirited bill sends a blunt message to the state’s trans community that they are not welcome here. It was probably inevitable that, once the marriage equality debate settled down, those who dedicate their lives to promoting hatred would set their sights on trans people. But the maliciousness and celerity with which Florida’s legislators have zeroed in on the trans community suggests the next battle for LGBTQ rights will be a brutal one.
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