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Mentally ill in Russia: you cannot drive
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By Bahamut.Milamber 2015-01-19 03:21:36
Who doesn't have a mental hang-up?
Everyone has some mental flaw, and is therefor mentally ill.
If everyone is mentally ill, no one is mentally ill. Mentally ill is very different than a mental hang up/flaw (E.g. Dementia vs fear of heights) Semantics are the only difference. Mental flaw != mental illness. That isn't semantics. One is a non-medical term that has no defined state, the other is a description of a defined condition. Defining a condition to give it a name doesn't make it any more real than the later. Give it time and all these hang-up will have names when a corresponding drug treatment has a need for distribution. This is a quack medical field and its sole purpose is for peddling drugs and making of scapegoats and for persicution. Just... wow.
Most conditions are defined by irregularities from what is considered to be a normative state or process. That is pretty much standard in any non-insane field, since that's basically the definition of irregularity. You give it a name, because that generally either is descriptive of the condition, or gives credit to a patient or researcher.
Medication often corrects the expression of a problem, rather than the underlying cause. Most cases we don't have the knowledge or capability to address the underlying problem, and in some cases correcting the expression is sufficient for the body to reestablish processes in a correct manner, sometimes in conjunction with other treatments.
For example, we can treat certain kinds of cancer. We can't fix cancer. That isn't quackery.
By Bloodrose 2015-01-19 03:22:57
TURTLE BURGER HAS SPOKEN!
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By Valefor.Endoq 2015-01-19 03:31:52
Stay on topic, Milamber. Cancer is not the same as mental emotions. Feeling and acting on emotions are a choice, cancer is not a choice. Drugs cannot fix emotions.
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By Bahamut.Milamber 2015-01-19 03:31:58
We can treat for pain and swelling that occurs when bones are broken. We can't fix bones. Must be quackery.
We can stitch together flesh and apply ointments and/or medicines to reduce the rate of infection. We can't fix flesh. Must be quackery.
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By Valefor.Endoq 2015-01-19 03:33:34
By Bloodrose 2015-01-19 03:34:43
Milamber is actually staying on topic.
There are many drugs out there designed to help balance and correct chemical imbalances in the brain that spur random emotions.
Like Severe Clinical Depression.
Random violent mood swings.
just to name a few.
By Bloodrose 2015-01-19 03:35:40
Anger isn't a mental illness.
It's a reaction to something infuriating, or aggravating.
But now you're simply trolling on purpose.
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By Valefor.Endoq 2015-01-19 03:35:45
Cancer is not a chemical imbalance...
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By Bahamut.Milamber 2015-01-19 03:36:21
Stay on topic, Milamber. Cancer is not the same as mental emotions. Feeling and acting on emotions are a choice, cancer is not a choice. Drugs cannot fix emotions. For most people, most feelings and emotions are a choice. For most people, acting on those feelings or emotions is also a choice.
You could consider that normative behavior.
Pretty much by definition, not everyone is normative.
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By Valefor.Endoq 2015-01-19 03:36:48
No, it's documented. Check the link.
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By Bahamut.Milamber 2015-01-19 03:38:55
And not all mental illnesses are chemical imbalances either.
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By Bloodrose 2015-01-19 03:39:42
Intermittent Explosive Disorder goes beyond anger, often times into rage.
Also, your "documentation" describes it as being disproportionate to the situation at hand.
To which you describe anger as being disproportionate to, well, anything.
Which isn't even correct.
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By Valefor.Endoq 2015-01-19 03:40:14
And not all mental illnesses are chemical imbalances either. This is all I was trying to say...
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By Bahamut.Milamber 2015-01-19 03:41:20
No, it's documented. Check the link. Can you read?
YourOwnDamnLink said: Intermittent explosive disorder (IED) is a behavioral disorder characterized by explosive outbursts of anger, often to the point of rage, that are disproportionate to the situation at hand
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By Valefor.Endoq 2015-01-19 03:41:26
Intermittent Explosive Disorder goes beyond anger, often times into rage.
Also, your "documentation" describes it as being disproportionate to the situation at hand.
To which you describe anger as being disproportionate to, well, anything.
Which isn't even correct. That's just your opinion. In my opinion the anger fit the description.
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By Bahamut.Milamber 2015-01-19 03:43:56
And not all mental illnesses are chemical imbalances either. This is all I was trying to say... By saying this?
Valefor.Endow said: Defining a condition to give it a name doesn't make it any more real than the later. Give it time and all these hang-up will have names when a corresponding drug treatment has a need for distribution. This is a quack medical field and its sole purpose is for peddling drugs and making of scapegoats and for persicution.
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By Valefor.Endoq 2015-01-19 03:44:55
And not all mental illnesses are chemical imbalances either. This is all I was trying to say... By saying this?
Valefor.Endow said: Defining a condition to give it a name doesn't make it any more real than the later. Give it time and all these hang-up will have names when a corresponding drug treatment has a need for distribution. This is a quack medical field and its sole purpose is for peddling drugs and making of scapegoats and for persicution. More or less.
By Bloodrose 2015-01-19 03:48:04
Intermittent Explosive Disorder goes beyond anger, often times into rage.
Also, your "documentation" describes it as being disproportionate to the situation at hand.
To which you describe anger as being disproportionate to, well, anything.
Which isn't even correct. That's just your opinion. In my opinion the anger fit the description. Even your link doesn't agree with you.
That says something.
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By Bloodrose 2015-01-19 03:49:17
Cancer is not a chemical imbalance... There are many kinds of cancers.
Some of them are triggered by chemical imbalances.
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By Bahamut.Milamber 2015-01-19 03:49:35
Intermittent Explosive Disorder goes beyond anger, often times into rage.
Also, your "documentation" describes it as being disproportionate to the situation at hand.
To which you describe anger as being disproportionate to, well, anything.
Which isn't even correct. That's just your opinion. In my opinion the anger fit the description. Which is why you rely on those trained medical "quacks", rather than your common everyday lay-"quack", for a diagnosis.
It isn't disproportionate to call someone idiot, but it is disproportionate to threaten to hunt them down and kill their dog.
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By Valefor.Endoq 2015-01-19 03:53:16
My link is not a sentient being and does not have that ability...
Now a doctor on the other hand would agree with me as long as they aren't corrupt drug peddlers or persicutors working for Putin.
This field of medicine is for persicution and scapegoating, and Putin is using it to its near full effect as we speak.
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By Bahamut.Milamber 2015-01-19 03:58:55
You know, you hear about those situations where you have to ask someone if they are "off their meds". I never actually expected to need to ask that question in honesty before.
By Bloodrose 2015-01-19 03:59:52
My link is not a sentient being and does not have that ability...
Now a doctor on the other hand would agree with me as long as they aren't corrupt drug peddlers or persicutors working for Putin.
This field of medicine is for persicution and scapegoating, and Putin is using it to its near full effect as we speak. The facts of what you posted are actually opposed to your statement. That is the basis on how they don't agree.
Limiting a scope to that criteria, is narcissistic at best, and is actually indicative of a mental illness - not just a mental hang-up.
You also seem to show signs of a persecution complex, and actual broken thought processes - as in correlating 2 things that don't actually intersect in any way, to try and make an argument that ultimately falls apart when subjected to sound logic.
This is anger, from the same source:
Quote: Anger is an emotional response related to one's psychosociological interpretation of having been threatened. Often it indicates when one's basic boundaries are violated. Some have a learned tendency to react to anger through retaliation. Anger may be utilized effectively when utilized to set boundaries or escape from dangerous situations. Sheila Videbeck describes anger as a normal emotion that involves a strong uncomfortable and emotional response to a perceived provocation.[1] Raymond Novaco of UC Irvine, who since 1975 has published a plethora of literature on the subject, stratified anger into three modalities: cognitive (appraisals), somatic-affective (tension and agitations), and behavioral (withdrawal and antagonism).[2] William DeFoore, an anger-management writer, described anger as a pressure cooker: we can only apply pressure against our anger for a certain amount of time until it explodes.[3]
Anger may have physical correlates such as increased heart rate, blood pressure, and levels of adrenaline and noradrenaline.[4] Some view anger as an emotion which triggers part of the fight or flight brain response.[5] Anger becomes the predominant feeling behaviorally, cognitively, and physiologically when a person makes the conscious choice to take action to immediately stop the threatening behavior of another outside force.[6] The English term originally comes from the term anger of Old Norse language.[7] Anger can have many physical and mental consequences.
The external expression of anger can be found in facial expressions, body language, physiological responses, and at times in public acts of aggression.[8] Humans and animals, for example, make loud sounds, attempt to look physically larger, bare their teeth, and stare.[9] The behaviors associated with anger are designed to warn aggressors to stop their threatening behavior. Rarely does a physical altercation occur without the prior expression of anger by at least one of the participants.[9] While most of those who experience anger explain its arousal as a result of "what has happened to them," psychologists point out that an angry person can very well be mistaken because anger causes a loss in self-monitoring capacity and objective observability.[10]
Modern psychologists view anger as a primary, natural, and mature emotion experienced by virtually all humans at times, and as something that has functional value for survival. Anger can mobilize psychological resources for corrective action. Uncontrolled anger can, however, negatively affect personal or social well-being.[10][11] While many philosophers and writers have warned against the spontaneous and uncontrolled fits of anger, there has been disagreement over the intrinsic value of anger.[12] The issue of dealing with anger has been written about since the times of the earliest philosophers, but modern psychologists, in contrast to earlier writers, have also pointed out the possible harmful effects of suppressing anger.[12] Displays of anger can be used as a manipulation strategy for social influence.[13][14]
What you quoted, was specifically picked to try and bolster your argument that anger itself was a mental illness, when in fact, it is not.
No sane doctor, nurse, psychologist, or anyone who even has a fundamental understanding of the human psyche would ever agree with your statements.
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By Valefor.Endoq 2015-01-19 04:07:30
Disagreement with my views is not persecution. However you both have resorted to personal attacks on me in responce to me not agreeing with you, that is in fact a form of anger of your behalfs and a sign of mental weakness. Instead of forming a discussion of the topic you attack my intellegence, you show a lack of maturity in this as well, yet another sign of mental weakness.
Let us please stay on topic and discuss how this field of medicine effects Russia. Thanks.
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By Valefor.Endoq 2015-01-19 04:12:15
This simular medical quackery took place in Nazi Germany during the holocaust and those conditions are priming yet again, but this time in many places around the world. Such as Russia and even the US....
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By Bloodrose 2015-01-19 04:12:39
Pointing something out, isn't a personal attack.
Secondly, we are staying on topic.
To assert, incorrectly, that we are breaking down your arguments, even with the links you posted, and using prime examples of what mental illnesses are, is not mental weakness.
endoq said: Now a doctor on the other hand would agree with me as long as they aren't corrupt drug peddlers or persicutors working for Putin.
This is actually a sign of delusion - assuming people would agree, simply because you limit the amount of people *only* to those that agree with YOU. That's a form of narcissism, and is one of the most common text book examples.
The fact we haven't actually attacked you personally, but you believe we did, shows, according to your own statements on anger, that you have a mental illness, and suffer from mental weakness. Since, you know, a persecution complex is where one feels unfairly persecuted, despite reality.
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By Bloodrose 2015-01-19 04:13:57
This simular medical quackery took place in Nazi Germany during the holocaust and those conditions are priming yet again, but this time in many places around the world. Such as Russia and even the US.... yeah... no it didn't.
Try again with some verifiable facts.
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By Valefor.Endoq 2015-01-19 04:26:58
Pointing something out, isn't a personal attack.
Secondly, we are staying on topic.
To assert, incorrectly, that we are breaking down your arguments, even with the links you posted, and using prime examples of what mental illnesses are, is not mental weakness.
endoq said: Now a doctor on the other hand would agree with me as long as they aren't corrupt drug peddlers or persicutors working for Putin.
This is actually a sign of delusion - assuming people would agree, simply because you limit the amount of people *only* to those that agree with YOU. That's a form of narcissism, and is one of the most common text book examples.
The fact we haven't actually attacked you personally, but you believe we did, shows, according to your own statements on anger, that you have a mental illness, and suffer from mental weakness. Since, you know, a persecution complex is where one feels unfairly persecuted, despite reality. Who doesn't have a mental hang-up?
Everyone has some mental flaw, and is therefor mentally ill.
If everyone is mentally ill, no one is mentally ill. Mentally ill is very different than a mental hang up/flaw (E.g. Dementia vs fear of heights) Semantics are the only difference.
Not really. Usually mental illnesses can be attributed to chemical imbalances or emotional/physical trauma. Hangups are a whole different thing. I think feet are gross, some people are attracted to them, that's a very different thing than schizophrenia or OCD, etc. All thought process shows a chemical reaction in the brain. Your arguement is invalid because of this fact.
Who doesn't have a mental hang-up?
Everyone has some mental flaw, and is therefor mentally ill.
If everyone is mentally ill, no one is mentally ill. Mentally ill is very different than a mental hang up/flaw (E.g. Dementia vs fear of heights) Semantics are the only difference. Ahh no it really isn't.
One is where the brain doesn't respond adequately to function on a day to day basis without medicine and the care of a doctor. The other is a quark.
Maybe you should do some volunteer work with people who have mental illinesses. The brain does not process within normal parameters.
Edited bad sentence structure It's well documented that drugs cannot fix a broken thought process. Drugs do not think and therefor cannot councel a broken minds thought process. OK, you've earned this award:

Mocking me, real mature.
We can treat for pain and swelling that occurs when bones are broken. We can't fix bones. Must be quackery.
We can stitch together flesh and apply ointments and/or medicines to reduce the rate of infection. We can't fix flesh. Must be quackery. You know, you hear about those situations where you have to ask someone if they are "off their meds". I never actually expected to need to ask that question in honesty before.
Yeah... anyways. I see that trying to talk with you 2 is a fruitless endevor for now. I'm going to bed.
Be aware that Putin is not the first and will not be the last to abuse this field of medicine. This sort of thing should be handled before it handles us the way the Russians are getting handled by Putin.
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By Bahamut.Milamber 2015-01-19 04:31:01
Disagreement with my views is not persecution. However you both have resorted to personal attacks on me in responce to me not agreeing with you, that is in fact a form of anger of your behalfs and a sign of mental weakness. Instead of forming a discussion of the topic you attack my intellegence, you show a lack of maturity in this as well, yet another sign of mental weakness.
Let us please stay on topic and discuss how this field of medicine effects Russia. Thanks. You are absolutely entitled to have an opinion that gravity doesn't exist. Pardon me while I stand outside the splash zone while you exit via the 10th story balcony.
Holding opinions/beliefs that are directly and concretely refutable doesn't mean that you are free from people pointing that out, nor from them drawing conclusions regarding your person as a result.
The topic is on how Russia has used the definitions outlined in ICD10 F60-69 to regulate driving safety, rather than competence checks or other methods which are more in line with the claimed goal.
The field of medicine has little to no impact on Russia, because the aim isn't medical, it is political.
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By Siren.Lordgrim 2015-01-19 04:45:20
This simular medical quackery took place in Nazi Germany during the holocaust and those conditions are priming yet again, but this time in many places around the world. Such as Russia and even the US....
Well said. I see you too have met the gang that likes to discredit. I mentioned America's involvement with Nazi Germany and was ridiculed about a mythical creature which I was not talking about and was taken out of context.
Look up how eugenics was founded in America it was funded by Rockefeller think tanks that hired Nazi scientists. Your absolutely right endoq about stuff happening in America. Stuff that was made in the early 20TH CENTURY to the end of ww2.
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Russia says drivers must not have 'sex disorders'
Quote: Russia has listed transsexual and transgender people among those who will no longer qualify for driving licences.
Fetishism, exhibitionism and voyeurism are also included as "mental disorders" now barring people from driving.
The government says it is tightening medical controls for drivers because Russia has too many road accidents.
"Pathological" gambling and compulsive stealing are also on the list. Russian psychiatrists and human rights lawyers have condemned the move.
The announcement follows international complaints about Russian harassment of gay-rights activists.
New Russian Regulation Says Transgender People Unfit to Drive
Quote: Transgender people may no longer be allowed to drive cars in Russia under new road safety regulations signed by Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev.
A decree published on the government website earlier this month lists an array of health conditions that can disqualify someone from getting behind the wheel, among them "personality and behavioral disorders" listed in the World Health Organization's classification of diseases.
The sections in question — F60 to F69 — name transsexualism and transvestism, along with other "disorders of sexual preference," such as fetishism and voyeurism. "Disorders associated with sexual development and orientation" are also listed.
The new road safety rules are "aimed at reducing the death rate from traffic incidents" in the country, a government note accompanying the decree said. It did not specify how being genderqueer could limit a person's ability to drive safely.
The Association of Russian Lawyers for Human Rights lambasted the new rules as violations of the Russian Constitution, saying in an online statement that the decree deprives "all transgender people, bigender, asexuals, transvestites, cross-dressers [and] people who need a sex reassignment" of the right to drive.
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