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Obama threatens to veto now that Congress works
By Jetackuu 2014-12-30 23:43:48
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »I have a lotto ticket and a dream!
Sadly, you'd have to win the lotto SEVERAL times to be anywhere near the wealth that drives congress. Or invest it properly, but if one's that lucky, starting off with a higher amount would only hit them there sooner, or allow them to take bigger risks.
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By Siren.Lordgrim 2014-12-31 00:51:20
Quote: Obama threatens to veto now that Congress works The problem is who is congress working for. Please take your insanity over there
Hey thanks for the bump kingnobody. Though I wouldn't call it insanity. I would call it a Awakening. Because you got to be crazy if you think Republicans and Democrats are working in the peoples best interests. It's always business as usual every time there elected. Thanks mate
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By Bismarck.Ihina 2014-12-31 02:53:54
KB thinks our politicians represent us rather than the big money that pays them? That's adorably cute and naive. It's like he doesn't know politicians literally spend 4-8 hours of their day calling up rich people and begging for money.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-12-31 03:56:02
KB thinks our politicians represent us rather than the big money that pays them? That's adorably cute and naive. It's like he doesn't know politicians literally spend 4-8 hours of their day calling up rich people and begging for money. 4-8 hours a day wishing they had other people's money and trying to get it... sounds completely representative to me.
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By Cerberus.Tikal 2014-12-31 04:10:12
Is it? Is it representative, Chaosx, or are you just trying to propagate a weak narrative via repetition?
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2014-12-31 04:18:35
You don't need conspiracy theories to determine that Congress sucks. I think that's the point a few people are trying to get at. Yes, politicians are beholden to the big money makers, but they also try to get reelected and therefore are beholden to the voters they supposedly represent. As is almost always the case, the truth is somewhere in the middle and there's no need to fight over extremes.
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By Bismarck.Ihina 2014-12-31 04:52:19
It's not like they can just lie to their voters to get votes or anything.
There's also the fact that 90+% of the time, whoever spends more money on their election wins.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-12-31 07:13:23
I ask anyone here this: Have you actually read any of the bills proposed, voted on, and/or passed by members of Congress?
I'm not talking about what MSN, CNN, NBC, or Fox tells you, I'm talking about the actual bills itself.
Yes, there are some pet projects there, like using federal funds to build a specific state's infrastructure, or using federal funds to grant money to a specific "green" company, but most of it is actually policy and is designed (in the mind of the drafter) to enhance the public good.
That doesn't mean that the bills are good for the country, but the intent is there.
I'm going to guarantee that nobody, except myself and maybe 1 other person who posts on this website, has ever read a bill before.
All people here talk about is a perceptive glance over somebody else's glance over somebody else's glance over somebody else's glance over somebody else's glance over somebody else's glance over somebody else's glance over somebody else's glance over somebody else's glance over somebody else's glance over somebody else's glance over somebody else's glance over somebody else's glance over somebody else's glance over somebody else's glance over somebody else's glance over somebody else's glance over somebody else's glance over somebody else's glance over somebody else's glance over somebody else's glance of the actual reading of a bill.
Having that many viewpoints before you actually look at it not only skews the bill, but also creates the illusion that members of Congress are only out for somebody else (usually donors to their campaign), and not for the people who elected them, which in most cases does not include you.
That is why I challenge anyone here to actually read a bill from start to finish and give a first hand accounting of what that bill states, and somebody else do the same for both the same bill and for a different one.
I know nobody is going to do it, because you have to A) be smart enough to actually understand it, and 90% of the posters here aren't even that intelligent by the looks of their posts, and B) have the patience to actually read the entire bill, some of which can expand more than 100 pages of pure fluff.
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By Ragnarok.Harpunnik 2014-12-31 07:54:45
It's not like they can just lie to their voters to get votes or anything.
There's also the fact that 90+% of the time, whoever spends more money on their election wins.
Why is that? Do all those signs on the side of the road change people's minds? Do people vote based on 30 second radio ads? Do people vote for the shiniest bus? Elected government are reprentative of the people alright. Dsyfunctional. We have gotten exactly what we voted for.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-12-31 08:00:37
Ragnarok.Harpunnik said: »It's not like they can just lie to their voters to get votes or anything.
There's also the fact that 90+% of the time, whoever spends more money on their election wins.
Why is that? Do all those signs on the side of the road change people's minds? Do people vote based on 30 second radio ads? Do people vote for the shiniest bus? Elected government are reprentative of the people alright. Dsyfunctional. We have gotten exactly what we voted for. You are only responsible for the representative your area elected.
Why bother attacking Ted Cruz if you live in California or New York?
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By Odin.Jassik 2014-12-31 08:06:45
Ragnarok.Harpunnik said: »It's not like they can just lie to their voters to get votes or anything.
There's also the fact that 90+% of the time, whoever spends more money on their election wins.
Why is that? Do all those signs on the side of the road change people's minds? Do people vote based on 30 second radio ads? Do people vote for the shiniest bus? Elected government are reprentative of the people alright. Dsyfunctional. We have gotten exactly what we voted for. You are only responsible for the representative your area elected.
Why bother attacking Ted Cruz if you live in California or New York?
Because Ted Cruz went to Washington with the sole purpose of disrupting the Senate with his circus sideshow. His moronic publicity stunts cost legislative time, causing a lot of good bills to die. On top of that, he's a guy, born in Canada and bought by billionaires, calling others un-American and talking about the little guy. Just because you can't see through his exceptionally thin facade doesn't mean the rest of the country isn't tired of yahoos getting sent to congress by yahoos in the sticks.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-12-31 08:28:47
Because Ted Cruz went to Washington with the sole purpose of disrupting the Senate with his circus sideshow. His moronic publicity stunts cost legislative time, causing a lot of good bills to die. On top of that, he's a guy, born in Canada and bought by billionaires, calling others un-American and talking about the little guy. Just because you can't see through his exceptionally thin facade doesn't mean the rest of the country isn't tired of yahoos getting sent to congress by yahoos in the sticks.
Side note: Same could be said about Reid and Pelosi.
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By Ragnarok.Harpunnik 2014-12-31 11:25:18
Ragnarok.Harpunnik said: »It's not like they can just lie to their voters to get votes or anything.
There's also the fact that 90+% of the time, whoever spends more money on their election wins.
Why is that? Do all those signs on the side of the road change people's minds? Do people vote based on 30 second radio ads? Do people vote for the shiniest bus? Elected government are reprentative of the people alright. Dsyfunctional. We have gotten exactly what we voted for. You are only responsible for the representative your area elected.
Why bother attacking Ted Cruz if you live in California or New York?
By that logic I'm hardly ever responsible since my politicians hardly ever win. Also last time I checked we all vote for President and VP. Once again we are very accurately represented in DC. Divided and self serving. Sounds like humans to me.
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By Odin.Jassik 2014-12-31 11:57:00
Because Ted Cruz went to Washington with the sole purpose of disrupting the Senate with his circus sideshow. His moronic publicity stunts cost legislative time, causing a lot of good bills to die. On top of that, he's a guy, born in Canada and bought by billionaires, calling others un-American and talking about the little guy. Just because you can't see through his exceptionally thin facade doesn't mean the rest of the country isn't tired of yahoos getting sent to congress by yahoos in the sticks.
Side note: Same could be said about Reid and Pelosi.
Ted Cruz has said publicly that he didn't go to DC to make friends, he went to disrupt. And you're the one who brought up Ted Cruz, so we're talking about Cruz.
By Enuyasha 2014-12-31 12:17:39
Ragnarok.Harpunnik said: »It's not like they can just lie to their voters to get votes or anything.
There's also the fact that 90+% of the time, whoever spends more money on their election wins.
Why is that? Do all those signs on the side of the road change people's minds? Do people vote based on 30 second radio ads? Do people vote for the shiniest bus? Elected government are reprentative of the people alright. Dsyfunctional. We have gotten exactly what we voted for. Generally speaking, Bill Cassidy ran 30 second radio adds and 1 minute TV spots (edit: also Facebook news feed spam) for a year and won the election even when faced with accusations (Which had strong grounds for being true btw) of defrauding LSU. He also largely was against hurricane relief for the state every time it came up (Talking post katrina, but also including Katrina.) Yet, for whatever HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE reason people still voted him in even though Mary Landrieu has done this state a great service since 1997. So now the dynamic duo of Jindal and Cassidy can *** the state sideways and then blame Obama for the rest of the cycle til Jindal pops up for president and then he can blame it all on his predecessor instead of the legislation he himself passed which gutted healthcare,education, and the local economy outside of the biochem sector.
So yea, its more stupidity not dysfunction of the system itself.
However, how we decide runoffs in louisiana is entirely dysfunctional in itself. If candidates win the vote with the majority of the votes: they win the *** vote, not requiring 50% of the vote or "Whelp, looks like the population is undecided.gotta do a runoff!".
Also, when a candidate doesnt actually come out to address the public whether it be for appearances, a debate, or even to dispel accusations, Thats sketchy as *** to me. Like, if you say you want to serve the people and save them from The Obama, how are you not going to actually interact with your constituents?
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-12-31 13:04:10
Ragnarok.Harpunnik said: »By that logic I'm hardly ever responsible since my politicians hardly ever win. Also last time I checked we all vote for President and VP. Once again we are very accurately represented in DC. Divided and self serving. Sounds like humans to me. Well, apparently you don't like being where you are. Why don't you try to move to an area where you would be represented by people who think like you?
Ted Cruz has said publicly that he didn't go to DC to make friends, he went to disrupt. Which is one of the reasons why I voted for him.
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By Odin.Jassik 2014-12-31 13:30:12
Yet you made a thread specifically about Obama being bad because he didn't go to Washington to make friends but went to upset the status quo...
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-12-31 13:35:25
Yet you made a thread specifically about Obama being bad because he didn't go to Washington to make friends but went to upset the status quo... Oh did I?
Not only is that well within the president's powers, it's what people like me have been saying for years. Only a partisan hack like you could find a way to make the actual purpose of the president seem corrupted by Obama. Only you would see it that way.
I for one embrace the notion that Obama will be held accountable for once in his presidential career, now that Reid no longer has the ability to shelve any bills that the House passes, like he has been doing for the past 4 years.
Now that Obama is finally held accountable, all the GOP would have to do is paint the next liberal presidential candidate as Obama 2.0 and it would be an easy victory for the next Republican candidate.
So, where again did I "make a thread specifically about Obama being bad" again?
I'm just glad that Obama will now be held accountable for bills being passed or vetoed, instead of letting Reid block it for him.
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By Odin.Jassik 2014-12-31 13:38:39
Reread the thread title and source article, if you still don't understand it, look at the amount of people who liked my response to it. Introspection isn't your strongsuit, so it's understandable.
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By Ragnarok.Worldslost 2014-12-31 13:40:33
Hillary will win next, so before you worry about Obama 2.0 let's look forward to Clinton 2.0 of which I think either is a good thing. Jeb is bush 3.0 and that scares the s**t out of me...
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By Lakshmi.Eyrhika 2014-12-31 13:42:52
Ragnarok.Harpunnik said: »By that logic I'm hardly ever responsible since my politicians hardly ever win. Also last time I checked we all vote for President and VP. Once again we are very accurately represented in DC. Divided and self serving. Sounds like humans to me. Well, apparently you don't like being where you are. Why don't you try to move to an area where you would be represented by people who think like you?
Because up and moving, likely to a new state, upsetting your family and job is so easy? This isn't a FFXI server transfer.
Also:
Saying Obama should have tried harder to meet the Republicans halfway implies he was open to compromise in the first place. ftfy
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-12-31 13:44:13
Reread the thread title and source article, if you still don't understand it, look at the amount of people who liked my response to it. Introspection isn't your strongsuit, so it's understandable. Sorry, but hypocrites liking a hypocritical post isn't exactly helping you much, you know that, right?
Or do you really believe that you aren't a partisan hack, like you accused me of being?
All I did was to point out that Obama finally has to work and be held accountable for bills he has to either veto or sign into law, instead of letting Reid do all the work for him.
Since, you know, the common misconception is that the House is the one not doing anything, even though it's the Senate Majority Leader who's keeping the bills from being brought to discussion and taking the next step in the legislative process...
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By Lakshmi.Eyrhika 2014-12-31 13:45:59
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-12-31 13:46:54
Because up and moving, likely to a new state, upsetting your family and job is so easy? If you feel like you aren't being represented in your district, you are left with 2 options.
Either move to a district that suits your political viewpoints, or change the political viewpoints in your district.
Since it is highly unlikely that you can change the political viewpoints in your district, you are left with the one option.
If you don't take it, you have no right to *** about it.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-12-31 13:48:32
That is different than the GOP holding back funding on bills that have been passed how? The Senate bills for appropriation has been debated and failed to pass the House. I'm sure, in your mind, that's the same as the Speaker not allowing the bill to be voted or debated on to begin with....
Oh wai....
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2014-12-31 14:02:54
Sorry, but hypocrites liking a hypocritical post isn't exactly helping you much, you know that, right?
Or do you really believe that you aren't a partisan hack, like you accused me of being?
All I did was to point out that Obama finally has to work and be held accountable for bills he has to either veto or sign into law, instead of letting Reid do all the work for him.
Since, you know, the common misconception is that the House is the one not doing anything, even though it's the Senate Majority Leader who's keeping the bills from being brought to discussion and taking the next step in the legislative process...
Just like your little *** altima auto-liking your posts never helps you? Killing bad bills is going to be just as effortless for Obama as it was for Reid, assuming of course they even make it to his desk, which at this rate is a big assumption.
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2014-12-31 14:06:16
Day 1749: Still can't correctly use the word 'hypocrite'.
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By Altimaomega 2014-12-31 14:11:57
Sorry, but hypocrites liking a hypocritical post isn't exactly helping you much, you know that, right?
Or do you really believe that you aren't a partisan hack, like you accused me of being?
All I did was to point out that Obama finally has to work and be held accountable for bills he has to either veto or sign into law, instead of letting Reid do all the work for him.
Since, you know, the common misconception is that the House is the one not doing anything, even though it's the Senate Majority Leader who's keeping the bills from being brought to discussion and taking the next step in the legislative process...
Just like your little *** altima auto-liking your posts never helps you? Killing bad bills is going to be just as effortless for Obama as it was for Reid, assuming of course they even make it to his desk, which at this rate is a big assumption.
Day 1749: Still can't correctly use the word 'hypocrite'.
Looks like he is using it correctly enough. He said it and all of the sudden they start appearing in mass!
I'd "lol" but Vic would get mad and never post on this subject again.
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2014-12-31 14:21:15
Why get mad when we can all just laugh at your idiocy? I enjoyed how you asked about what happened to a thread that you derailed, as if everyone (other than you) didn't already know.
By Altimaomega 2014-12-31 14:25:52
Why get mad when we can all just laugh at your idiocy? I enjoyed how you asked about what happened to a thread that you derailed, as if everyone (other than you) didn't already know.
Yup, I derailed that thread all by myself with a five word comment. Thanks for pointing out my influence over everyone.
Obama threatens to veto bills passed by Congress, now that he can't use Reid to stop bills in the Senate
Quote: Warning from President Barack Obama to congressional Republicans: I have a veto pen and, come January, I won't be afraid to use it.
Since taking office in 2009, Obama has only vetoed legislation twice, both in fairly minor circumstances. But with Republicans set to take full control of Congress next year, Obama is losing his last bulwark against a barrage of bills he doesn't like: the Senate.
"I haven't used the veto pen very often since I've been in office," Obama said in an NPR interview airing Monday. "Now, I suspect, there are going to be some times where I've got to pull that pen out."
He added: "I'm going to defend gains that we've made in health care. I'm going to defend gains that we've made on environment and clean air and clean water."
Obama's notice to the GOP came as he sought to set the tone for a year in which Congress and the president are on a near-certain collision course. Buoyed by decisive gains in last month's midterm elections, Republicans are itching to use their newfound Senate majority to derail Obama's plans on immigration, climate change and health care, to name a few.
To overturn Obama's veto, Republicans would need the votes of two-thirds of the House and Senate. Their majorities in both chambers are not that large, so they would still need to persuade some Democrats to defy the president.
But Obama said he was hopeful that at least on some issues, that won't be necessary, because there's overlap between his interests and those of congressional Republicans. On that point, at least, he's in agreement with incoming Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky.
"Bipartisan jobs bills will see the light of day and will make it to the President's desk, and he'll have to make decisions about ideology versus creating jobs for the middle class," McConnell said in response to Obama's comments. "There's a lot we can get done together if the president puts his famous pen to use signing bills rather than vetoing legislation his liberal allies don't like."
Potential areas for cooperation include tax reform and global trade deals — both issues where Obama and Republicans see at least partially eye to eye. Conversely, the likeliest points of friction surround Environmental Protection Agency regulations, the Keystone XL pipeline and Obama's unilateral steps on immigration, which let millions of people in the U.S. illegally avoid deportation and get work permits.
In the interview, recorded before Obama left Washington earlier this month for his annual Hawaii vacation, Obama also offered his most specific diagnosis to date of why Democrats fared so poorly in the midterms. He said he was "obviously frustrated" with the results.
"I think we had a great record for members of Congress to run on and I don't think we — myself and the Democratic Party — made as good of a case as we should have," Obama said. "And you know, as a consequence, we had really low voter turnout, and the results were bad."
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