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Obama threatens to veto now that Congress works
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-12-29 09:57:24
Obama threatens to veto bills passed by Congress, now that he can't use Reid to stop bills in the Senate
Quote: Warning from President Barack Obama to congressional Republicans: I have a veto pen and, come January, I won't be afraid to use it.
Since taking office in 2009, Obama has only vetoed legislation twice, both in fairly minor circumstances. But with Republicans set to take full control of Congress next year, Obama is losing his last bulwark against a barrage of bills he doesn't like: the Senate.
"I haven't used the veto pen very often since I've been in office," Obama said in an NPR interview airing Monday. "Now, I suspect, there are going to be some times where I've got to pull that pen out."
He added: "I'm going to defend gains that we've made in health care. I'm going to defend gains that we've made on environment and clean air and clean water."
Obama's notice to the GOP came as he sought to set the tone for a year in which Congress and the president are on a near-certain collision course. Buoyed by decisive gains in last month's midterm elections, Republicans are itching to use their newfound Senate majority to derail Obama's plans on immigration, climate change and health care, to name a few.
To overturn Obama's veto, Republicans would need the votes of two-thirds of the House and Senate. Their majorities in both chambers are not that large, so they would still need to persuade some Democrats to defy the president.
But Obama said he was hopeful that at least on some issues, that won't be necessary, because there's overlap between his interests and those of congressional Republicans. On that point, at least, he's in agreement with incoming Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky.
"Bipartisan jobs bills will see the light of day and will make it to the President's desk, and he'll have to make decisions about ideology versus creating jobs for the middle class," McConnell said in response to Obama's comments. "There's a lot we can get done together if the president puts his famous pen to use signing bills rather than vetoing legislation his liberal allies don't like."
Potential areas for cooperation include tax reform and global trade deals — both issues where Obama and Republicans see at least partially eye to eye. Conversely, the likeliest points of friction surround Environmental Protection Agency regulations, the Keystone XL pipeline and Obama's unilateral steps on immigration, which let millions of people in the U.S. illegally avoid deportation and get work permits.
In the interview, recorded before Obama left Washington earlier this month for his annual Hawaii vacation, Obama also offered his most specific diagnosis to date of why Democrats fared so poorly in the midterms. He said he was "obviously frustrated" with the results.
"I think we had a great record for members of Congress to run on and I don't think we — myself and the Democratic Party — made as good of a case as we should have," Obama said. "And you know, as a consequence, we had really low voter turnout, and the results were bad."
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By Odin.Jassik 2014-12-29 10:03:09
Not only is that well within the president's powers, it's what people like me have been saying for years. Only a partisan hack like you could find a way to make the actual purpose of the president seem corrupted by Obama.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-12-29 10:27:39
Not only is that well within the president's powers, it's what people like me have been saying for years. Only a partisan hack like you could find a way to make the actual purpose of the president seem corrupted by Obama. Only you would see it that way.
I for one embrace the notion that Obama will be held accountable for once in his presidential career, now that Reid no longer has the ability to shelve any bills that the House passes, like he has been doing for the past 4 years.
Now that Obama is finally held accountable, all the GOP would have to do is paint the next liberal presidential candidate as Obama 2.0 and it would be an easy victory for the next Republican candidate.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2014-12-29 10:33:12
Not only is that well within the president's powers, it's what people like me have been saying for years. Only a partisan hack like you could find a way to make the actual purpose of the president seem corrupted by Obama.
I need to get some Schoolhouse Rock for King's Christmas.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-12-29 10:35:50
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »Not only is that well within the president's powers, it's what people like me have been saying for years. Only a partisan hack like you could find a way to make the actual purpose of the president seem corrupted by Obama.
I need to get some Schoolhouse Rock for King's Christmas. Jassik is the one having a conniption fit, not me.
By volkom 2014-12-29 10:41:17
iirc line item veto has been revoked as a power right?
By fonewear 2014-12-29 10:43:35
When further questioned Obama said: It's my party and I'll cry if I want to...
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By Odin.Jassik 2014-12-29 10:48:26
iirc line item veto has been revoked as a power right?
As far as I understand it, that only lasted like 2 years during Clinton's 2nd term, and was ruled unconstitutional. Similar powers under limited-terms have been discussed, but never made it through congress. Line-Item would be a good way to quell the flood of riders and partisan power plays but it's a bad way to govern.
By fonewear 2014-12-29 10:51:23
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »Not only is that well within the president's powers, it's what people like me have been saying for years. Only a partisan hack like you could find a way to make the actual purpose of the president seem corrupted by Obama.
I need to get some Schoolhouse Rock for King's Christmas.
Due to budget cuts Schoolhouse Rock has been removed from our curriculum
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2014-12-29 10:51:54
When further questioned Obama said: It's my party and I'll cry if I want to...
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Finally something useful out of this partisan shitstorm.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2014-12-29 10:53:17
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »Not only is that well within the president's powers, it's what people like me have been saying for years. Only a partisan hack like you could find a way to make the actual purpose of the president seem corrupted by Obama.
I need to get some Schoolhouse Rock for King's Christmas.
Due to budget cuts Schoolhouse Rock has been removed from our curriculum
To be replaced with reruns of Deadliest Catch and Pawn Stars.
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By fonewear 2014-12-29 10:53:59
Deadliest Catch Ebola edition ?
The title is misleading though Congress doesn't work !
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2014-12-29 10:58:23
Literally, Congress doesn't work. They take more days off than Tony at the local Wendy's.
"Americans have lost a good work ethic, they expect handouts and can't stop relying on government welfare handouts. Why don't you work America?"
Live from a beach in Hawaii, your local elected official. Making 110k/yr hitting on underaged Asians doing lines of coke at Peter Lugers.
By fonewear 2014-12-29 10:59:28
The key is to say you are on a fact finding mission not vacation.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2014-12-29 11:06:33
Reports of ISIS operatives in Martha's Vineyard have left me no choice but to go in unarmed and mingle with these cretin. I'll have to eat, drink, carouse and bed a number of these vermin to save the entire country. My lodging is an abandoned multi-million dollar mansion crawling with the latest amenities.
Wish me luck, the Chardonnay paired with this succulent lobster may be the last thing I see on Earth.
-Your loving elected official, "Dude with a (D) or (R) next to his name"
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By volkom 2014-12-29 11:09:27
iirc line item veto has been revoked as a power right?
As far as I understand it, that only lasted like 2 years during Clinton's 2nd term, and was ruled unconstitutional. Similar powers under limited-terms have been discussed, but never made it through congress. Line-Item would be a good way to quell the flood of riders and partisan power plays but it's a bad way to govern. yeah. they need to bring something similar to that. would be nice to have a president that would just veto every bill if it was loaded with bs and unncessary things
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By Odin.Liela 2014-12-29 11:10:01
...Sorry. I'll show myself out.
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By Siren.Mosin 2014-12-29 11:13:41
I'm pretty sure obama has used the veto less than any other president, at this point, barring guys that were shot too early to do anything.
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By Cerberus.Anjisnu 2014-12-29 11:18:41
Doesn't matter Obama is not old and white so any changes he makes are going to be bad by default in the eyes of people who liked the status quo
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-12-29 11:20:23
iirc line item veto has been revoked as a power right?
As far as I understand it, that only lasted like 2 years during Clinton's 2nd term, and was ruled unconstitutional. Similar powers under limited-terms have been discussed, but never made it through congress. Line-Item would be a good way to quell the flood of riders and partisan power plays but it's a bad way to govern. yeah. they need to bring something similar to that. would be nice to have a president that would just veto every bill if it was loaded with bs and unncessary things That's actually a strategy that helps prevent a veto.
If you put in an item that the president wants along with an item that the president hates, he is stuck with two choices, both of which is political gain for his opponents:
1) He signs the bill into law, and his opponent points out how he signed into law the item he hates.
2) He vetoes the bill, and his opponent points out how he vetoed the item he likes.
Both of which is bad for the public viewpoint of the president, and also helps the opposing side win the next presidential election as another version of the current president.
Obama played that game in 2008, he has to accept the consequences in 2015.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2014-12-29 11:22:22
I'm pretty sure obama has used the veto less than any other president, at this point, barring guys that were shot too early to do anything.
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By Cerberus.Anjisnu 2014-12-29 11:23:47
We have had the same president every year since lincoln just name height weight and physical appearance keeps changing
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By Cerberus.Anjisnu 2014-12-29 11:25:00
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »I'm pretty sure obama has used the veto less than any other president, at this point, barring guys that were shot too early to do anything.

Last shot at a good president we ever had a shot at... pun intended
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2014-12-29 11:31:27
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »I'm pretty sure obama has used the veto less than any other president, at this point, barring guys that were shot too early to do anything.

Last shot at a good president we ever had a shot at... pun intended
Horrible politician, decent dude. The same cannot be said for some of our other leaders.
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By Lakshmi.Eyrhika 2014-12-29 11:33:21
Republican president uses a veto: 'Murcia!! He is saving us from those socialist weirdos!
Democrat president uses a veto: How dare he hold back 'Murica like this!! He can't do anything right!
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By Cerberus.Anjisnu 2014-12-29 11:35:49
Only way ***will change is if the people who own the government change elephant or donkey puppet is still a puppet
By fonewear 2014-12-29 11:39:50
JFK is my favorite President/airport !
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By Odin.Jassik 2014-12-29 11:40:18
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »I'm pretty sure obama has used the veto less than any other president, at this point, barring guys that were shot too early to do anything.

Kennedy did more in his 2.5 years than most presidents that followed did in 4+. Even if his political accomplishments were unremarkable, he inspired an entire generation and quelled one of the most potentially destructive conflicts the world has ever seen.
By fonewear 2014-12-29 11:41:13
If it wasn't for JFK I wouldn't be a guilty white man !
By fonewear 2014-12-29 11:42:59
We have had the same president every year since lincoln just name height weight and physical appearance keeps changing
Hillary will change that she/he is the President I've always dreamed of !
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Obama threatens to veto bills passed by Congress, now that he can't use Reid to stop bills in the Senate
Quote: Warning from President Barack Obama to congressional Republicans: I have a veto pen and, come January, I won't be afraid to use it.
Since taking office in 2009, Obama has only vetoed legislation twice, both in fairly minor circumstances. But with Republicans set to take full control of Congress next year, Obama is losing his last bulwark against a barrage of bills he doesn't like: the Senate.
"I haven't used the veto pen very often since I've been in office," Obama said in an NPR interview airing Monday. "Now, I suspect, there are going to be some times where I've got to pull that pen out."
He added: "I'm going to defend gains that we've made in health care. I'm going to defend gains that we've made on environment and clean air and clean water."
Obama's notice to the GOP came as he sought to set the tone for a year in which Congress and the president are on a near-certain collision course. Buoyed by decisive gains in last month's midterm elections, Republicans are itching to use their newfound Senate majority to derail Obama's plans on immigration, climate change and health care, to name a few.
To overturn Obama's veto, Republicans would need the votes of two-thirds of the House and Senate. Their majorities in both chambers are not that large, so they would still need to persuade some Democrats to defy the president.
But Obama said he was hopeful that at least on some issues, that won't be necessary, because there's overlap between his interests and those of congressional Republicans. On that point, at least, he's in agreement with incoming Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky.
"Bipartisan jobs bills will see the light of day and will make it to the President's desk, and he'll have to make decisions about ideology versus creating jobs for the middle class," McConnell said in response to Obama's comments. "There's a lot we can get done together if the president puts his famous pen to use signing bills rather than vetoing legislation his liberal allies don't like."
Potential areas for cooperation include tax reform and global trade deals — both issues where Obama and Republicans see at least partially eye to eye. Conversely, the likeliest points of friction surround Environmental Protection Agency regulations, the Keystone XL pipeline and Obama's unilateral steps on immigration, which let millions of people in the U.S. illegally avoid deportation and get work permits.
In the interview, recorded before Obama left Washington earlier this month for his annual Hawaii vacation, Obama also offered his most specific diagnosis to date of why Democrats fared so poorly in the midterms. He said he was "obviously frustrated" with the results.
"I think we had a great record for members of Congress to run on and I don't think we — myself and the Democratic Party — made as good of a case as we should have," Obama said. "And you know, as a consequence, we had really low voter turnout, and the results were bad."
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