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By Bahamut.Ravael 2014-12-29 15:14:17
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Cerberus.Pleebo said: »
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There are going to be areas where we agree and I'm going to be as aggressive as I can be in getting legislation passed that I think help move the economy forward and help middle-class families. There are going to be some areas where we disagree and, you know, I haven't used the veto pen very often since I've been in office, partly because legislation that I objected to was typically blocked in the Senate even after the House took over — Republicans took over the House.

Now I suspect there are going to be some times where I've got to pull that pen out. And I'm going to defend gains that we've made in health care; I'm going to defend gains that we've made on environment and clean air and clean water.

But what I'm hopeful about — and we saw this so far at least in the lame duck — is a recognition by both Speaker Boehner and Mitch McConnell that people are looking to them to get things done and that the fact that we disagree on one thing shouldn't prohibit us from getting progress on the areas where there's some overlap.
Truly, history's greatest divider.

Some of us prefer to look at his presidency as a whole, not just a recent quote from when he's suddenly on defense.
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2014-12-29 15:20:51
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Oh, might want to fill King and Altima in on that noble notion. But sure, let's do it. The economy is doing amazingly well right now despite GOP proclamations that the ACA would drive us further in the shitter than we already were. Discuss!
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By Odin.Jassik 2014-12-29 15:29:02
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Oh, might want to fill King and Altima in on that noble notion. But sure, let's do it. The economy is doing amazingly well right now despite GOP proclamations that the ACA would drive us further in the shitter than we already were. Discuss!

Considering ACA isn't fully implemented and the demographics of the exchanges aren't favorable, it's success or failure has yet to be determined.

Similarly with the economy, it's still sluggish in some key areas. I don't see how anyone without an advanced degree in economics could draw anything concrete about Obama's role in our growth, but if nothing more, he's stayed out of the way of it's recovery.
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2014-12-29 15:54:26
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Oh no, I'm aware. However, the enrollment numbers have been largely positive, premiums aren't skyrocketing, and people actually like their plans. The GOP muckrakers really don't have much to run with.

So I would disagree with the assessment that Obama simply stayed out of the way. I would say there was active participation. How much? That won't be quantified for years, but "to look at his presidency as a whole" has to include the gains we've been seeing accumulate lately. Only a zealot would be demanding perfection right now. All I'm interested in is positive progress.
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By Odin.Jassik 2014-12-29 16:14:43
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Cerberus.Pleebo said: »
Oh no, I'm aware. However, the enrollment numbers have been largely positive, premiums aren't skyrocketing, and people actually like their plans. The GOP muckrakers really don't have much to run with.

So I would disagree with the assessment that Obama simply stayed out of the way. I would say there was active participation. How much? That won't be quantified for years, but "to look at his presidency as a whole" has to include the gains we've been seeing accumulate lately. Only a zealot would be demanding perfection right now. All I'm interested in is positive progress.


In order for ACA to remain solvent, the demographics need to shift toward healthy younger adults, given the ages of most Americans, that isn't likely to happen without decades of expensive government injections of money to offset the already rising premiums (which are rising, although at a slower rate than before ACA). I'm sure at least parts of it will be revised, hopefully for the better rather than being gutted into another flacid, thousand page law.

I'd agree that Obama has contributed to the economic recovery, you can call it policy or staying out of the way, but the shift of wealth even further to the richest Americans and flight of capital to other countries is abhorrent. He's let corporations run a train on the middle and lower classes.
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2014-12-29 17:43:35
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How much work Congress actually does is news in itself, especially if Boehner retains his speakership despite being the least productive speaker in history. Expect a lot of pointless hearings and partisan fluff, along with a lot of bills that have completely unrelated poison pills, which probably won't make it out of the Senate.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2014-12-29 17:47:17
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Cerberus.Pleebo said: »
Oh, might want to fill King and Altima in on that noble notion. But sure, let's do it. The economy is doing amazingly well right now despite GOP proclamations that the ACA would drive us further in the shitter than we already were. Discuss!

Two things. One, you can't say that a president isn't responsible for a bad economy because he doesn't have much control over it, then immediately let him take credit for things taking a good turn. Two, how did the economy even get brought up? Weren't we talking about him being a divider?
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-12-29 17:48:32
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Bahamut.Ravael said: »
Cerberus.Pleebo said: »
Oh, might want to fill King and Altima in on that noble notion. But sure, let's do it. The economy is doing amazingly well right now despite GOP proclamations that the ACA would drive us further in the shitter than we already were. Discuss!

Two things. One, you can't say that a president isn't responsible for a bad economy because he doesn't have much control over it, then immediately let him take credit for things taking a good turn. Two, how did the economy even get brought up? Weren't we talking about him being a divider?
I'm sure that they will just spin it around so it's our fault anyway.
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2014-12-29 18:11:41
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Which is why you won't see me saying, "Low gas prices, thanks Obama!". I'm well aware what is and isn't under direct control of his office.

You said you wanted to review his presidency, which I see now you meant with regard to his relationships with Congress, but the whole "Great Divider" commentary had always been empty criticism. The President isn't the House's or Senate's babysitter. It's not his job to ensure they play nice. It's all a tactic to relieve certain congresspeople from the criticism of being obstructionist ideologues. Remember, their stated goal was to ensure Obama was a one-termer. Not only did they fail at that, they failed at doing their basic job.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2014-12-29 18:24:35
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Cerberus.Pleebo said: »
Which is why you won't see me saying, "Low gas prices, thanks Obama!". I'm well aware what is and isn't under direct control of his office.

You said you wanted to review his presidency, which I see now you meant with regard to his relationships with Congress, but the whole "Great Divider" commentary had always been empty criticism. The President isn't the House's or Senate's babysitter. It's not his job to ensure they play nice. It's all a tactic to relieve certain congresspeople from the criticism of being obstructionist ideologues. Remember, their stated goal was to ensure Obama was a one-termer. Not only did they fail at that, they failed at doing their basic job.

It's not just his dealings with Congress that make him a divider, but that certainly doesn't help. Babysitting Congress may not be his job, but there is a notable difference between a president who attempts to reach across the aisle to get things done and one who antagonizes the other side while pushing through legislation regardless. I would rather have a president who attempted unity and failed than one who clearly isn't even trying. And yes, the obstructionist idealogues who have fought him tooth and nail on absolutely everything haven't helped, but they can't take all the credit away from him for his failure to be a good leader.
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By Odin.Jassik 2014-12-29 18:28:17
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Presidents don't legislate and you can't blame him for the lack of outreach when the pubs said from day one that they'd block everything he tried to do. Unless you'd also like to fault Israel for not coming to the table with Hamas and the GWB for not reaching out to Al Qaeda.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2014-12-29 18:38:12
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Presidents don't legislate and you can't blame him for the lack of outreach when the pubs said from day one that they'd block everything he tried to do. Unless you'd also like to fault Israel for not coming to the table with Hamas and the GWB for not reaching out to Al Qaeda.

He doesn't legislate, but he can use his political muscle to help push things through. Also, are we comparing Congress to terrorists now, or...?
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2014-12-29 18:41:02
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Kinda like how he just used his political muscle to push the budget through? Well why can't he do that more you ask? Because Boehner ignores everyone and doesn't allow votes on anything.
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By Odin.Jassik 2014-12-29 18:42:35
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Odin.Jassik said: »
Presidents don't legislate and you can't blame him for the lack of outreach when the pubs said from day one that they'd block everything he tried to do. Unless you'd also like to fault Israel for not coming to the table with Hamas and the GWB for not reaching out to Al Qaeda.

He doesn't legislate, but he can use his political muscle to help push things through. Also, are we comparing Congress to terrorists now, or...?

Not necessarily, but that comparison could be made for a lot of congressmen. Face it, certain members of the Republican party soured any possible relationship on day one, and they've balked at any and all attempts to create a dialog with their incendiary rhetoric and apparent need to get in front of a camera and say any and all ridiculous things that pop into their head. You can't blame Obama with any more than half the responsibility and maintain integrity.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2014-12-29 18:44:02
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Shiva.Viciousss said: »
Kinda like how he just used his political muscle to push the budget through? Well why can't he do that more you ask? Because Boehner ignores everyone and doesn't allow votes on anything.

Lol, where were you when Harry Reid was in charge?
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-12-29 18:44:14
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Bahamut.Ravael said: »
He doesn't legislate, but he can use his political muscle to help push things through.
He could, but he rather legislate through executive orders.

Bahamut.Ravael said: »
Also, are we comparing Congress to terrorists now, or...?
Why not? According to the liberals, anyone with a (R) next to their name is a terrorist anyway.

Shiva.Viciousss said: »
Because Reid ignores everyone and doesn't allow votes on anything.
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2014-12-29 18:48:07
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Political muscle is vague. Just like saying he should lead better. It's like the default position is always diametric opposition and then the criticism gets filled in later haphazardly.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2014-12-29 18:55:46
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Political muscle is vague. Just like saying he should lead better. It's like the default position is always diametric opposition and then the criticism gets filled in later haphazardly.

Yay, Pleebo finally reveals how he goes about forming his own opinions!
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By Ragnarok.Raenil 2014-12-29 18:57:08
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Saying Obama should have tried harder to meet the Republicans halfway implies they were open to compromise in the first place.

As stated a few times already quite a few of them were quite open about having no intention of any such thing.
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2014-12-29 18:57:41
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Shiva.Viciousss said: »
Kinda like how he just used his political muscle to push the budget through? Well why can't he do that more you ask? Because Boehner ignores everyone and doesn't allow votes on anything.

Lol, where were you when Harry Reid was in charge?

What happened to the bills in Congress in December 2014 again? What happened to the bipartisan immigration reform passed by Reid in 2013?
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-12-29 23:02:42
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Saying Obama should have tried harder to meet the Republicans halfway implies he was open to compromise in the first place.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-12-29 23:06:10
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What happened to the bills in Congress in December 2014 again?
They got delayed until the last absolute minute by Reid.

The House was pretty much done by the time the government was about to be shut down, and if Reid hadn't been a slow *** in getting these bills on the floor in the first place, it would have been done a while back ago.

Even after the House passed other bills, it still took 2 weeks to pass the bills in the Senate, mostly because Reid didn't even bother to put them on the floor until the last possible moment.

But I guess it's all the Republican's fault to you, isn't it? Republicans and the voters who voted the liberals out of office.
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By Valefor.Endoq 2014-12-29 23:25:33
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Isn't vetoing stuff like the main job the presidents do?
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2014-12-29 23:29:49
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It is, Mr. Turtle Burger :D
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2014-12-29 23:33:26
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Valefor.Endoq said: »
Isn't vetoing stuff like the main job the presidents do?

Cerberus.Pleebo said: »
It is, Mr. Turtle Burger :D

If vetoing is your "main job" as president, and Obama says he's hardly done it in his presidency, does that mean Pleebo is admitting that Obama hasn't done his job?
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By Cerberus.Anjisnu 2014-12-29 23:35:28
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i need to put on a puppet show explaining presidency from beginning to end
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2014-12-29 23:36:10
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Cerberus.Anjisnu said: »
i need to put on a puppet show explaining presidency from beginning to end

Ooooo, focus on the end, please.
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By Cerberus.Anjisnu 2014-12-29 23:37:45
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well it was just going to be a puppet doing something bad and getting yelled at then the hand in the puppet coming out and yelling at the puppet
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By Cerberus.Anjisnu 2014-12-29 23:38:11
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tada presidency
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2014-12-29 23:38:49
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Bahamut.Ravael said: »
Valefor.Endoq said: »
Isn't vetoing stuff like the main job the presidents do?

Cerberus.Pleebo said: »
It is, Mr. Turtle Burger :D

If vetoing is your "main job" as president, and Obama says he's hardly done it in his presidency, does that mean Pleebo is admitting that Obama hasn't done his job?
If you want to read too much into a light-hearted comment, then... sure!
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