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Obama threatens to veto now that Congress works
By fonewear 2014-12-29 11:44:07
Doesn't matter Obama is not the hope and changed you wanted
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2014-12-29 11:44:55
JFK is my favorite President/airport !
If I were the leader of Kenya I'd rename Nairobi's airport Barack Obama International just for shits.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2014-12-29 11:46:26
If it wasn't for JFK I wouldn't be a guilty white man !
Cheating on your wife does that.
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By fonewear 2014-12-29 11:46:28
If Grover Cleveland was still around things would be different and by different I mean Mugwumps.
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By Lakshmi.Saevel 2014-12-29 11:46:57
I'm pretty sure obama has used the veto less than any other president, at this point, barring guys that were shot too early to do anything.
It could be argued that's because the Senate Majority leader wouldn't allow a bill to hit the Presidents desk that he would be inclined to Veto.
Now that the Senate and House are majority Republican there is a possibility that bills will make it to his desk that isn't in line with the Dem's agenda. This puts him in a bad position, if he starts vetoing then his opponents will use that on his successor. If he doesn't veto then it will be seen as a win for the Republican party and they will use that on the next election. He's in a situation where his only winning move is to have the remaining Democrat senators try their best to make sure nothing gets through and then during the next election blame the Republicans for it.
The Democrat party needs to realize that they are unpopular right now, too much zealotry in pushing a progressive agenda on people who didn't want it. Tone it down and focus on a middle ground approach, appear to be the party of compromise and make the Republicans be the bad guys. Worst case scenario is that you actually get something done, legislation passed that isn't dramatically tilted one way or the other. Of course that will royally piss off the extremists, of which there are many present here.
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By Siren.Mosin 2014-12-29 11:54:30
It could be argued that's because the Senate Majority leader wouldn't allow a bill to hit the Presidents desk that he would be inclined to Veto.
a fair point.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2014-12-29 12:00:39
*fires my AK-47 into the air*
Zealot, reporting for duty.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2014-12-29 12:04:08
If Grover Cleveland was still around things would be different and by different I mean Mugwumps.
No one remembers the venerable Warren Harding. Collapsing and dying in the middle of a conversation with your wife just doesn't have the same ring as getting shot in a theater or getting sniped in a motorcade.
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By Odin.Jassik 2014-12-29 12:08:43
I'm pretty sure obama has used the veto less than any other president, at this point, barring guys that were shot too early to do anything.
It could be argued that's because the Senate Majority leader wouldn't allow a bill to hit the Presidents desk that he would be inclined to Veto.
Now that the Senate and House are majority Republican there is a possibility that bills will make it to his desk that isn't in line with the Dem's agenda. This puts him in a bad position, if he starts vetoing then his opponents will use that on his successor. If he doesn't veto then it will be seen as a win for the Republican party and they will use that on the next election. He's in a situation where his only winning move is to have the remaining Democrat senators try their best to make sure nothing gets through and then during the next election blame the Republicans for it.
The Democrat party needs to realize that they are unpopular right now, too much zealotry in pushing a progressive agenda on people who didn't want it. Tone it down and focus on a middle ground approach, appear to be the party of compromise and make the Republicans be the bad guys. Worst case scenario is that you actually get something done, legislation passed that isn't dramatically tilted one way or the other. Of course that will royally piss off the extremists, of which there are many present here.
That door swings both ways, though. There has been a literal flood of terrible bills coming from the house for several years, stuff that had no chance of getting through a floor vote, much less getting signed into law. If the parties were reversed, I'd still call it the same way, too. It's a large group letting a small subset of extremists push through terrible legislation because they know it won't get anywhere and they can use it as a campaign ad in the next election. Reid is a pretty pathetic leader, but I can't fault him for not wasting limited floor time on things that have no hope of making it through. It's not like the same thing didn't happen with tons of bills the other direction, either, and a lot of them were good. Remember the 9/11 first responder's bill that almost died on Boehner's desk while they were wasting their time trying to keep even more people from getting medical care?
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By Odin.Jassik 2014-12-29 12:11:59
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »If Grover Cleveland was still around things would be different and by different I mean Mugwumps.
No one remembers the venerable Warren Harding. Collapsing and dying in the middle of a conversation with your wife just doesn't have the same ring as getting shot in a theater or getting sniped in a motorcade.
What about William Henry Harrison, caught a cold at his inauguration and died 31 days later.
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By Odin.Godofgods 2014-12-29 12:21:15
threatening to veto stuff before it even reaches anything seems nothing more then a 'us vs them' party mentality.
He mentions 'defending gains made' but the examples given seem to only be things that he played a part in. Which leads be back to thinking its more about him and his party as opposed to whats best for the country.
And while the veto process has its place, it seems like the manor in which he is 'threatening' to use it, is all about him and what he wants. - Politicians (all) are not (should not) elected to do what they think should be done (in its entirety). They are elected to carry out the will of the ppl. - Somewhere along the lines it got reversed tho to where ppl seem to be electing them based on what the politician personally wants/believes and not the ppl.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2014-12-29 12:27:26
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »If Grover Cleveland was still around things would be different and by different I mean Mugwumps.
No one remembers the venerable Warren Harding. Collapsing and dying in the middle of a conversation with your wife just doesn't have the same ring as getting shot in a theater or getting sniped in a motorcade.
What about William Henry Harrison, caught a cold at his inauguration and died 31 days later.
A bottle of Nyquil Severe would have fixed him right up and what do the idiot doctors do? Give him opium.
/facepalm.
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By Odin.Jassik 2014-12-29 12:32:31
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »If Grover Cleveland was still around things would be different and by different I mean Mugwumps.
No one remembers the venerable Warren Harding. Collapsing and dying in the middle of a conversation with your wife just doesn't have the same ring as getting shot in a theater or getting sniped in a motorcade.
What about William Henry Harrison, caught a cold at his inauguration and died 31 days later.
A bottle of Nyquil Severe would have fixed him right up and what do the idiot doctors do? Give him opium.
/facepalm.
If it were a legitimate cold, his body would have just shut the whole thing down.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2014-12-29 12:37:05
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »If Grover Cleveland was still around things would be different and by different I mean Mugwumps.
No one remembers the venerable Warren Harding. Collapsing and dying in the middle of a conversation with your wife just doesn't have the same ring as getting shot in a theater or getting sniped in a motorcade.
What about William Henry Harrison, caught a cold at his inauguration and died 31 days later.
A bottle of Nyquil Severe would have fixed him right up and what do the idiot doctors do? Give him opium.
/facepalm.
If it were a legitimate cold, his body would have just shut the whole thing down.
His body wasn't ready.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2014-12-29 12:38:09
In good news, Harrisons grandson got to be president and save the family legacy by being an overall mediocre leader.
Get told at dinner enough times grandpa was the only president to clock out after 30 days and you'd be surprised how motivated the youth get.
By Heimdel 2014-12-29 12:43:07
Problem is the Republicans really could care less about doing what is right for the people. They are only interested in pushing their own special inteest. That is often based on lining their own pocket and pushing their finacial backers agendas. This while setting themselfs up for cushy jobs after they are out of office. Also the fact they say everything is wrong that any other group puts forward no matter what it is.
Now the Dem I have no clue what the hell they are doing. They seem to afraid to truly push their agendas and stand up for things. Also I'm no tsure what exactly do towards their special interest groups since they just are not as vocal or obvious about it as the Reps.
It just comes down to neiter group are doing their jobs and trying to do what is right for the people.
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By Odin.Godofgods 2014-12-29 12:51:24
Problem is the Politicians really could care less about doing what is right for the people. They are only interested in pushing their own special inteest. That is often based on lining their own pocket and pushing their finacial backers agendas. This while setting themselfs up for cushy jobs after they are out of office. Also the fact they say everything is wrong that any other group puts forward no matter what it is.
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By Cerberus.Anjisnu 2014-12-29 12:55:23
Doesn't matter Obama is not the hope and changed you wanted

I'm neither supporter nor critic of obama im a critic of the sham that is presidency in general last one that tried to go against his owners was sitting in the front seat, street, and his wife's lap in his final moments lol
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-12-29 12:58:21
threatening to veto stuff before it even reaches anything seems nothing more then a 'us vs them' party mentality. And yet, Obama thinks that he is the "greatest unifier in modern history"
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By Lakshmi.Eyrhika 2014-12-29 13:14:42
threatening to veto stuff before it even reaches anything seems nothing more then a 'us vs them' party mentality. And yet, Obama thinks that he is the "greatest unifier in modern history"
Googled your phrase and nothing remotely close came up pertaining to Obama, care to source?
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2014-12-29 13:17:49
threatening to veto stuff before it even reaches anything seems nothing more then a 'us vs them' party mentality. And yet, Obama thinks that he is the "greatest unifier in modern history"
Googled your phrase and nothing remotely close came up pertaining to Obama, care to source?
Nobody, King. Talking with my Anus. ***: *** Ltd., 2014..
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By Odin.Jassik 2014-12-29 13:18:15
threatening to veto stuff before it even reaches anything seems nothing more then a 'us vs them' party mentality. And yet, Obama thinks that he is the "greatest unifier in modern history"
I love how you constantly talk about what he thinks but can't support it with any evidence based on what he's said publicly or privately. Then, the next fallback is "his policies!", again, without being able to demonstrate anything.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2014-12-29 13:19:42
There is so much to skewer Obama on that is REAL and you choose to churn up diarrhea instead.
Bruh.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-12-29 13:24:58
threatening to veto stuff before it even reaches anything seems nothing more then a 'us vs them' party mentality. And yet, Obama thinks that he is the "greatest unifier in modern history"
Googled your phrase and nothing remotely close came up pertaining to Obama, care to source? To be honest, when I looked at the quoted remarks from a different source, I saw that it was talking about a speech he made in Boston in 2004, before he ran for president.
Somewhat relevant despite the source.
But this is what I am talking about
Quote: When asked if the U.S. is more racially divided than it was when he took office six years ago, the President responded: "No, I actually think that it's probably in its day-to-day interactions less racially divided."
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-12-29 13:26:15
Oh look, people talking out of their *** again.
Couldn't even wait for a response, could ya Sparth and Jassik.
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By Shiva.Onorgul 2014-12-29 13:26:30
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »There is so much to skewer Obama on that is REAL Like what? Gauntanamo is about the only "I can actually point at this and say it was wrong" thing that really comes to mind. I'm sure the Fox News crowd will make up some ***that can't be verified with actual facts, but if we're going to rake him over the coals, do tell me what he's done to deserve it.
Also, I'm unlikely to check this thread again for a week, so the people who willingly pay attention to a network that has been fact-checked with a shocking 18% accuracy rate can dribble whatever they like about how deluded I am, but I'll be paying as much attention to that as you all do to verifiable and accurate data.
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By Odin.Jassik 2014-12-29 13:27:10
And yet, Obama thinks that he is the "greatest unifier in modern history"
Quote: When asked if the U.S. is more racially divided than it was when he took office six years ago, the President responded: "No, I actually think that it's probably in its day-to-day interactions less racially divided."
Clearly, these two remarks are identical...
Oh look, people talking out of their *** again.
Yup... it's you.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-12-29 13:27:27
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »There is so much to skewer Obama on that is REAL and you choose to churn up diarrhea instead.
Bruh. Except when it doesn't affect you.
When shown real issues with Obama and his administration, you rather cry "racist" or "not a real issue"
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-12-29 13:28:39
And yet, Obama thinks that he is the "greatest unifier in modern history"
Quote: When asked if the U.S. is more racially divided than it was when he took office six years ago, the President responded: "No, I actually think that it's probably in its day-to-day interactions less racially divided."
Clearly, these two remarks are identical... Yeah, keep backpedaling.
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By Odin.Jassik 2014-12-29 13:28:45
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »There is so much to skewer Obama on that is REAL and you choose to churn up diarrhea instead.
Bruh. Except when it doesn't affect you.
When shown real issues with Obama and his administration, you rather cry "racist"
Was that Solyndra or Benghazi, I can't remember which...
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Obama threatens to veto bills passed by Congress, now that he can't use Reid to stop bills in the Senate
Quote: Warning from President Barack Obama to congressional Republicans: I have a veto pen and, come January, I won't be afraid to use it.
Since taking office in 2009, Obama has only vetoed legislation twice, both in fairly minor circumstances. But with Republicans set to take full control of Congress next year, Obama is losing his last bulwark against a barrage of bills he doesn't like: the Senate.
"I haven't used the veto pen very often since I've been in office," Obama said in an NPR interview airing Monday. "Now, I suspect, there are going to be some times where I've got to pull that pen out."
He added: "I'm going to defend gains that we've made in health care. I'm going to defend gains that we've made on environment and clean air and clean water."
Obama's notice to the GOP came as he sought to set the tone for a year in which Congress and the president are on a near-certain collision course. Buoyed by decisive gains in last month's midterm elections, Republicans are itching to use their newfound Senate majority to derail Obama's plans on immigration, climate change and health care, to name a few.
To overturn Obama's veto, Republicans would need the votes of two-thirds of the House and Senate. Their majorities in both chambers are not that large, so they would still need to persuade some Democrats to defy the president.
But Obama said he was hopeful that at least on some issues, that won't be necessary, because there's overlap between his interests and those of congressional Republicans. On that point, at least, he's in agreement with incoming Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky.
"Bipartisan jobs bills will see the light of day and will make it to the President's desk, and he'll have to make decisions about ideology versus creating jobs for the middle class," McConnell said in response to Obama's comments. "There's a lot we can get done together if the president puts his famous pen to use signing bills rather than vetoing legislation his liberal allies don't like."
Potential areas for cooperation include tax reform and global trade deals — both issues where Obama and Republicans see at least partially eye to eye. Conversely, the likeliest points of friction surround Environmental Protection Agency regulations, the Keystone XL pipeline and Obama's unilateral steps on immigration, which let millions of people in the U.S. illegally avoid deportation and get work permits.
In the interview, recorded before Obama left Washington earlier this month for his annual Hawaii vacation, Obama also offered his most specific diagnosis to date of why Democrats fared so poorly in the midterms. He said he was "obviously frustrated" with the results.
"I think we had a great record for members of Congress to run on and I don't think we — myself and the Democratic Party — made as good of a case as we should have," Obama said. "And you know, as a consequence, we had really low voter turnout, and the results were bad."
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