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By Altimaomega 2015-01-01 20:11:43
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According to him, only if the liberal wins all the time.

Evidence to prove this: His own rants about the LA 2014 Senate race.

This is what I really don't get.... people have spoken and elected who they wanted to elect. It was a fair and open election, and one that wasn't between two extremist's. Both are fairly moderate when compared to the rest of the nation. It's like these people actually believe, as in religious level belief, that anyone who disagrees with them or doesn't do things their way is somehow defective. With that level of close mindedness no wonder the Dems are losing favor, they have become their own religion. Hopefully they get some moderate folks setting their platform and stop trying to cram progressive ideology down everyone's throats.

I mean ... do the liberals actually think that an election system where they are the only party on the ballot and automatically win is the way to go? Are they seriously thinking we should implement Iran's or North Korea's election system where only the politically correct answer is available?

Well, an election system that favors one demographic is the same issue they took with voter ID laws and the same issue that conservatives took with overly generous absentee and early voting laws. Everyone is out to change the game in their favor. The problem with LA's run-off system is that it's almost never necessary and strongly discourages independent candidates. It's also not just liberals in LA who dislike 50%+ laws or liberals in general, many conservatives dislike them because it adds unnecessary cost and time to an already disgustingly costly and time-consuming process that doesn't lead to better representation and discourages voter participation.

Why does their election system favor one demographic?

It favors older people who have free time and discourages younger people from voting even the first time. That heavily favors republicans.

I keep hearing this argument, but I don't understand I guess. Is it that hard to get and ID and take the time out of a day.. maybe two different days "in the event of a run-off "to go and vote for someone? I mean damn, you can vote by mail now! lol
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-01-01 20:13:02
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According to him, only if the liberal wins all the time.

Evidence to prove this: His own rants about the LA 2014 Senate race.

This is what I really don't get.... people have spoken and elected who they wanted to elect. It was a fair and open election, and one that wasn't between two extremist's. Both are fairly moderate when compared to the rest of the nation. It's like these people actually believe, as in religious level belief, that anyone who disagrees with them or doesn't do things their way is somehow defective. With that level of close mindedness no wonder the Dems are losing favor, they have become their own religion. Hopefully they get some moderate folks setting their platform and stop trying to cram progressive ideology down everyone's throats.

I mean ... do the liberals actually think that an election system where they are the only party on the ballot and automatically win is the way to go? Are they seriously thinking we should implement Iran's or North Korea's election system where only the politically correct answer is available?

Well, an election system that favors one demographic is the same issue they took with voter ID laws and the same issue that conservatives took with overly generous absentee and early voting laws. Everyone is out to change the game in their favor. The problem with LA's run-off system is that it's almost never necessary and strongly discourages independent candidates. It's also not just liberals in LA who dislike 50%+ laws or liberals in general, many conservatives dislike them because it adds unnecessary cost and time to an already disgustingly costly and time-consuming process that doesn't lead to better representation and discourages voter participation.

Why does their election system favor one demographic?

It favors older people who have free time and discourages younger people from voting even the first time. That heavily favors republicans.
The LA system actually encourages the type of polling system some people want, which is the ability to vote for more than 2 candidates.

There will be a two party system in America, that's not going to go away anytime soon. But the LA system takes the two party system and allows their voters to choose between multiple candidates who are running for a position, and if one of the can overwhelmingly rise above everyone else (aka more than half of the state agrees to elect a specific person), then there wouldn't need to be a runoff between the top two candidates.

Enu is mad that his horse wouldn't have won under the "normal" system anyway, because it would have been Landrieu vs. Cassidy on the ballot in the first place, and Cassidy still won!
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By Altimaomega 2015-01-01 20:13:22
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Only it wasn't removed, it was changed. Big, Huge, Gigantic, difference.. Also, if you actually do pay any attention to P&R the few others start the trolling long before I come in 99% of the time. I would LOVE to be able to have conversations on this forum without the total B.S. they start.. But given they are never punished and continue to do it I figured... If you can't beat them join them.
If you want to have a legit conversation then stop joining them and do it. Now is your chance.

I'm gonna hold you to this.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-01-01 20:17:10
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Only it wasn't removed, it was changed. Big, Huge, Gigantic, difference.. Also, if you actually do pay any attention to P&R the few others start the trolling long before I come in 99% of the time. I would LOVE to be able to have conversations on this forum without the total B.S. they start.. But given they are never punished and continue to do it I figured... If you can't beat them join them.
If you want to have a legit conversation then stop joining them and do it. Now is your chance.

I'm gonna hold you to this.
Mods only come here if people cry report other people. Most of the time, they don't give a flying *** what the topic is, they just want the bitching to stop.

Yeah, it's usually the same people who are bitching all the time, and it's really everyone's fault (mine included). That's why they generally don't issue bans until the bitching is taken out of P&R and into other threads.

There are exceptions to the rule, and it usually pertains a certain mod, but that's the general idea.
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By Anna Ruthven 2015-01-01 20:18:51
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No one complained, I just looked through P&R and saw the same person posting a bunch of trollish rhetoric and image macros.
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2015-01-01 20:22:53
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That is literally altima's entire membership, immediately followed by him playing the victim.
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By Altimaomega 2015-01-01 20:25:53
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No one complained, I just looked through P&R and saw the same person posting a bunch of trollish rhetoric and image macros.

So its a Thursday? Do you normally change peoples posts because of trollish remarks because if you do, not only do you have your hands full in P&R but I'm surprised anyone even frequents this site.

I have never reported anyone for anything btw. I just try and defend myself from the trolls on this site. Its a lot easier to defend against the trolls if you post the way they do.
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By Anna Ruthven 2015-01-01 20:27:21
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No one complained, I just looked through P&R and saw the same person posting a bunch of trollish rhetoric and image macros.

So its a Thursday? Do you normally change peoples posts because of trollish remarks because if you do, not only do you have your hands full in P&R but I'm surprised anyone even frequents this site.

I have never reported anyone for anything btw. I just try and defend myself from the trolls on this site.
It must be an inner conflict.
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By Altimaomega 2015-01-01 20:29:15
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That is literally altima's entire membership, immediately followed by him playing the victim.

Speaking of trolls, this guy has NEVER posted anything of relevance but yet here he is...
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2015-01-01 20:57:20
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That is literally altima's entire membership, immediately followed by him playing the victim.

Speaking of trolls, this guy has NEVER posted anything of relevance but yet here he is...

Yep, here I am, probably because your OPINION can't be backed up by facts.
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By Altimaomega 2015-01-01 21:06:31
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That is literally altima's entire membership, immediately followed by him playing the victim.

Speaking of trolls, this guy has NEVER posted anything of relevance but yet here he is...

Yep, here I am, probably because your OPINION can't be backed up by facts.

Actually it can, if I could quote where you brought something to a conversation that I was involved in on this site I would. However, such a thing does not exists and that is a fact.

All you do is post impertinently and claim victory. Anna cannot even change your posts because she has nothing to work with.
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By Shiva.Onorgul 2015-01-01 21:14:43
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Some of us actually try to have a reasonable discussion about politics (and to the extent, religion) on this website. I know I do.
Since when?

Ok, in fairness, you do actually make arguments. They're regularly based on fictions and distortions, but they're not image macros. But the ***-storm that follows whenever you post eventually needs to stop being internally justified via a Nixon-esque enemies list and replaced with becoming self-aware.

Here's a free one: If you want to have a reasonable discussion, whipping out your victim card the first time someone responds to you and using the word "liberal" as a deadly insult are not aspects thereof.

Copy/paste this post to probably half a dozen other people I'm feeling too lazy to name-check right now, with the word "liberal" changed to "conservative" as necessary.
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By Altimaomega 2015-01-01 21:18:13
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So funny the people that are most likely to play the victim card are coming in trying to say others do it.. hahahahahaha And I'm the one who got called out on being trollish! hahahaha. Only on FFXIAH.com folks!
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2015-01-01 21:21:29
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That is literally altima's entire membership, immediately followed by him playing the victim.

Speaking of trolls, this guy has NEVER posted anything of relevance but yet here he is...

Yep, here I am, probably because your OPINION can't be backed up by facts.

Actually it can, if I could quote where you brought something to a conversation that I was involved in on this site I would. However, such a thing does not exists and that is a fact.

All you do is post impertinently and claim victory. Anna cannot even change your posts because she has nothing to work with.

You just summed up your entire membership in 4 opinions.
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By Altimaomega 2015-01-01 21:23:22
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Shiva.Viciousss said: »
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Altimaomega said: »
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That is literally altima's entire membership, immediately followed by him playing the victim.

Speaking of trolls, this guy has NEVER posted anything of relevance but yet here he is...

Yep, here I am, probably because your OPINION can't be backed up by facts.

Actually it can, if I could quote where you brought something to a conversation that I was involved in on this site I would. However, such a thing does not exists and that is a fact.

All you do is post impertinently and claim victory. Anna cannot even change your posts because she has nothing to work with.

You just summed up your entire membership in 4 opinions.

Only takes one word for yours.
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2015-01-01 21:31:00
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Which would also be an unsubstantiated opinion. Clued in yet?
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By Altimaomega 2015-01-01 21:39:53
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Clued in that Anna apparently has a problem with some of my trollish comments but gives you and others a pass. Yeah, that fact is becoming abundantly clear the past page and a half. Please keep going though its quite amusing.
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2015-01-01 23:31:56
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Altima working on another thread nuke? Sorry I missed it.
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By Lakshmi.Aelius 2015-01-02 02:10:36
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This thread is a victim of Altima's rhetoric.

You guys might as well argue about whose *** is bigger and still none of you would settle with an answer even if the evidence is placed right in front of your faces.

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