Which Relics Are Still Worth The Trouble?
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Which Relics are still worth the trouble?
id say Sheild still being the #1 most useful, maybe gun too?
Glad I'm not the only one who came to the Mandau conclusion.
Asura.Ccl said: » Excalibur should be higher, I believe it's still the most damaging sword ? It's been awhile since I ran a comparison, but last I checked Burtgang kicked the ever-loving crap outta Excalibur's DPS. And that was after accounting for the AM3 build/rebuild investment. Now, irrc, the spreadsheets didn't, and still don't account for excal's add effect. But I don't really see that being able to bridge that gap.
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Apoc is well worth it. Not for higher tier endgame but in low man/solo/casual content it lets DRK fill a lot of roles.
Really, without Apoc DRK is an incomplete job so if you really like DRK as more than a DD you should make it. Ofc you'll need a DD weapon to back it up. When I tested it, excal was proc was 8%, I had biiiiiiiiiig sample, so that should be easy to add an aprox value to dps anyway.
Asura.Sthrnrebel said: » Ragnarok.Presidentobama said: » Apoc should be tier 2 or 3. Tier three before the weapon skill buff. Maybe tier 2 now. The fact you can do so much with it in itself is great. Even D BCNMs you can go drk apoc and hold your own and out dmg the mnks and rngs on par. Rag is ok if you have torncleaver. If bit it is junk. I don't have Torcleaver, I use 5/5 Resolution and every run I have done with it since making it 119, I am the top DD. I am not extremely well geared and I'm sure it's in part to not parsing against top geared DD's as well, but it is far from junk. I'm not sure how Torcleaver was changed, if at all, from the WS updates, but I can't see it being worth a damn, much like Scourge. Then you need to seriously look at how you gear for torcleaver because I have had it put out some seriously decent numbers 2ktp or above and that in itself making a double light off a light sc makes it useful. Reso > last stand light > torcleaver d light makes good numbers depending on mob. Mastop im looking at you. @Rezeak
Nah. indeed... why would claustrum be the best blm weapon?
Xijaah said: » indeed... why would claustrum be the best blm weapon? Sorry, this should be amended to "outside of mythic and for low tier nukes" It has higher magic damage and magic acc than Labrailg and Venabelum with no MAB. Mythic has the same stats but 60 MAB. Still, it got a nice buff a while ago and is nowhere near as useless as people remember it being. Is the bow really that important? The new delve bow seems like enough for sam... I am finishing Koga and really don't wanna do the farming grind..Sam with the delve bow seems to be hitting for about the same as Yochi-
Am I missing something here? Are we talking like 2-3 % difference? Only mobs I can think of that "need" a bow SAM are mid to highly evasive and require you to sacrifice a lot of STR/AGI/buffs to be able to even land Apex on them (Muyingwa, maybe Mastop, Calydontis/Cherti if you bring a melee setup). For Muyingwa you'll cap with normal Namas set + either Hunter's Roll or 2 Hajduk Rings (we always bring a COR to this zone, so I get away with a full damage set). Calydontis/Cherti you'll cap with acc/racc food and normal Namas set. Apex would need to sacrifice a lot of WSC/R.Att/Minuet(s) to be able to land on those mobs.
It's quite a noticeable difference in damage even if using a full damage set for both WSs at mid to high ratios, so being able to get away with a full damage set with Namas on things where Apex needs to stack Ranged Accuracy gives Yoichi an even larger lead.
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that said I clear Ceizak in 25-30m as the only SAM and I have R15 Delve Bow only, so Yoichi isn't really "end-all-be-all you need this definitely" if your resources can be allocated elsewhere. Major case for Yoichi would be Kamihr if that's your jam, but Yorcia is better
Valefor.Prothescar said: » that said I clear Ceizak in 25-30m as the only SAM and I have R15 Delve Bow only, so Yoichi isn't really "end-all-be-all you need this definitely" if your resources can be allocated elsewhere. Major case for Yoichi would be Kamihr if that's your jam, but Yorcia is better I want to try ceizak as sam also. How is your setup? people claiming that apoc should be tier2-3 really need to play with good dd's. I'm a career drk and a long time apoc owner and scythe is just lackluster (outside of liberator but meh..)
So I'll go for a compromise! Tier4!! lol Angierus said: » Pantafernando said: » Valefor.Prothescar said: » that said I clear Ceizak in 25-30m as the only SAM and I have R15 Delve Bow only, so Yoichi isn't really "end-all-be-all you need this definitely" if your resources can be allocated elsewhere. Major case for Yoichi would be Kamihr if that's your jam, but Yorcia is better I want to try ceizak as sam also. How is your setup? I imagine, SAM COR BRD GEO WHM SCH. Yoichi is nice because you're not depending on added buffs/debuffs to land your WS, and I'm not certain what kind of apex arrow numbers you were pushing but if it can compete with the 7-9ks you can push out before sub 25% than more power to you. Also you mentioned the last time I did ceizak with you that there was some pretty healthy accuracy issues at the time, I'm going to assume the setup I mentioned above is what you went with and that GEO's eva- is what helped correct that. Nice. For gnat, just rotating elegy, threnodies and requiem, spam apex to balance melee and ranged is enough? Pantafernando said: » elegy Poison 1 and Dia 1 is what we use, but any 2 enfeebs work. Just don't do anything that will hinder the DD (elegy, paralyze, etc.)
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Pantafernando said: » Angierus said: » Pantafernando said: » Valefor.Prothescar said: » that said I clear Ceizak in 25-30m as the only SAM and I have R15 Delve Bow only, so Yoichi isn't really "end-all-be-all you need this definitely" if your resources can be allocated elsewhere. Major case for Yoichi would be Kamihr if that's your jam, but Yorcia is better I want to try ceizak as sam also. How is your setup? I imagine, SAM COR BRD GEO WHM SCH. Yoichi is nice because you're not depending on added buffs/debuffs to land your WS, and I'm not certain what kind of apex arrow numbers you were pushing but if it can compete with the 7-9ks you can push out before sub 25% than more power to you. Also you mentioned the last time I did ceizak with you that there was some pretty healthy accuracy issues at the time, I'm going to assume the setup I mentioned above is what you went with and that GEO's eva- is what helped correct that. Nice. For gnat, just rotating elegy, threnodies and requiem, spam apex to balance melee and ranged is enough? I do ceizak every single day and that set up is not required.. Samurai brd cor/dnc sch whm then either second cor - drk - drg - rng and if the players are not ***ul clear it in 20-25 minutes. 1 prelude on bee if your doing apex with hunters roll is enough unless your using riverfin soup then you don't need the prelude. As for mastop to take it down quickly is spamming song however skillchaining is how you kill it fast especially with light > light combos reso > ls > torcleaver double light is seriously no joke, use fudo instead of torcleaver from the samurai and well... you get the picture.
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Quetzalcoatl.Kenrusai said: » Apocalypse is in the very bottom because not only is Scythe utterly inferior to Great Sword, Apocalypse itself is pretty bad aswell now that it lost alot of what made it a good weapon in the first place. Haste Aftermath: No1curr Catastrophe drain effect: Been negligible for god damn while now. Rest of what it offers: Meh. In regards to Amanomurakumo, while I am under the clear impression it is inferior to very easy alternatives the vast majority of the time, I thought there were some small instances were it was optimal. Seems as though I am wrong, however. Excalibur I wasn't really sure about, given easy alternatives perform adequately enough, that, and Burtgang being quite desirable to the point of basically having Excalibur in a "don't bother" tier, much like Amanomurakumo. As or Mandau, good call on that, not quite sure why I actually put it high as the relevance of THF is quite low right now. Adjusted accordingly in light of enlightenment. |
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