Which Relics Are Still Worth The Trouble?

In your Opinion, are relics still worth it? Which ones? I know this topic has been brought up before, but i couldn't find one thread that was all about it.

Annihilator for sure.

Gjallahorn, Amanomurakumo, Yoichinoyumi, Mandau, Ragnarok, Apocalypse, and Bravura are all still are quality weapons.

Gungnir may even be a bit more worthwhile now that they've adjusted Geirskogul.

The recent ws update has maybe made a few of them more relevant again.

Mjollnir for the lulz

Actually, I think I saw somewhere black mages making Claustrum for really solid stunning?

I don't know how legitimate that claim is.

Whatever is good for you.

Who cares what other people think, when you are the one making it.

oh, i thought Bravura was considered poor in comparison to Ukon & co.

EDIT: just to clarify, this is not a "which relic should i make" thread, i just am curious of what other people think about relics nowadays :)

Aegis is still very useful.

Subjective, varies by player. Anni may be considered the best (offensive) relic, by everyone, though if you won't play ranger, obviously it's not worth getting for you.

They all have (uses) except for Club (I guess it does) 13/16 I'd still make, personally no interest in club/staff/bravura mainly because I won't/don't play those jobs (currently/anymore). Also, not really in love with Guttler... it does nothing for BST as a job. It's a WAR axe, that they forgot to put WAR on, yes it's good for strictly DPS, but, it lacks everything that all new axes have.

Do not make amano if you're starting from zero and want to make a sam wpn save for koga.

For relic, horn, anni, aegis are still very usefull.

The relic vs. empyrean calculus is radically different than it was pre-Adoulin, since empyreans other than ochain are no longer functional at 90. So whether Ukon is "better" than Bravura is not really the question; is it 100+ million gil better?

In any case, the raw output of relics is not dramatically more impressive than delve boss weapons; and shield, horn, bow, and gun are really the only relics that will legitimately up your game.

Well, I personally have Guttler, Ragnarok, and just finished Spharai earlier this week. My Guttler is still 95, simply because after I made it, I realized I still couldn't bring BST to any endgame content. Between playing the game and reading forums, I still doubt bringing it to 119 would change that.

As far as Rag and Spharai go, they are still extremely useful weapons. I do almost all my SKCBCNM fights as DRK, while most everything else as MNK.

I know Relic RNG (Yoich or Anni) is next a requirement to be taken to PUGs on Asura. Aegis is still a near requirement to be a Paladin, even if it's more as a macro piece than fulltime.

I was reading the SAM forums yesterday and they were glorifying Koga and saying Amano isn't worth the time anymore. The Delve dropped GK is better than it now.

Gjallarhorn is always a great investment because BRD is in such a required spot and any buffs to songs are always sought.

They fixed Gugnir though.

It's no longer in the lolDRG tier, they bumped it up to DRG tier.

First relic being completed this weekend! My wonderfull ghorn, and next in line is my aegis.

I will take a break to 4 songs my harp, then back for an old dream of having my mandau, and if at that point im still playing, and rng is still wanted and still coronach is the only hate almost free ws, prob will work in anni. But it depends. If tomorrow they open relic ws to unlock in every weapon, i dont think i would build anni. Maybe even mandau would lose a bit its appeal, but still, i would make it anyway. Its too gorgeous to not to have.

Yoichi would be great to have as a sam, after seeing that apex arrows requires intense gear/buff/food to be worth a damn like comeatmebro said, but hell, its the most expensive relic, just dont use any byne bill... If not for racc, i wouldnt do yoichi also, cibi s more useful with stp.

Others relic are just alternatives to delve mega boss weapons. I wouldnt make any relic, emp or mythic for any job not very desired like sam, mnk or rng. So any rem for war, drk, blu, pup, etc, wouldnt give an upperhand in current endgame, so wouldnt bring so much benefit, so it would stay for the rare ocasion i play a not wanted job, normally things i could perfectly succed even with any ilv115 weapon.

Why did I leave Aegis off? I'm a twit.

I'd put Aegis top-tier.

No Koga.

Stop making Koga.

Yes it's good but you're screwing with my Alex supply.

In fact, make Masamune. Make all the Empyreans. Buy my plates/dross/cinder and sell me your Alex!

Going from what actually improves the job, job relevance, and being worth the time/gil over alternatives:

1st tier: Gjallerhorn, Aegis, Annihilator, Yoichinoyumi.
2nd tier: Ragnarok, Spharai, Kikoku.
3rd tier: Claustrum.
4th tier: Bravura, Guttler, Excalibur, Mandau.
5th tier: Gungnir, Mjollnir, Apocalypse, Amanomurakumo.

I can only voice an opinion on the relics I've made, and I enjoy every one of them at the moment (Ragnarok, Aegis, Mandau, Yoichinoyumi, and Amanomurakumo) except for Amano.
Also, I love the Ghorn I made for my mule more than words can describe… it’s just delicious, and I have no regrets whatsoever on making that happen <3

In summation I'll echo some of the aforementioned sentiments: Ghorn, Aegis*, Annihilator, and Yoichi are amazing relics :)

The asterisk for Aegis is because you pretty much need an Ochain as well to utilize its true worth... Aegis on its own does very little in the way of blocking without Reprisal or Palisade, but goodness gracious does it laugh at nukes!

You do not need Ochain to utilize Aegis true worth. Ochain helps the PLD, but doesn't do anything directly for the Aegis.

That's misleading, what is trying to be said is that Aegis gains nothing from Ochain, obviously as they can't be worn together, but to even be able to use PLD, you need Ochain, so, it does indirectly affect the value of Aegis, in a round about way.

I'm sure someone will argue you don't need Ochain.

If you want to be an effective Paladin, you need to have both shields is where I was going with that… I use Ochain like 95% of the time, and I’ll use Aegis for NMs that deal massive magic damage or as a macro piece if I see a particularly hard-hitting nuke being casted, and then I’ll swap right back to Ochain. I don’t generally think keeping hate is largely reliant upon a Paladin’s WS damage, so my losing TP for the shield swap in that latter instance is of negligible concern to me if I can avoid taking significant damage on a nuke.

EDIT: adjusted some wording.

Someone's free to chime in if I'm forgetting something, but AA EV is the only thing I can think of that dispels frequently enough for a PLD to not be able to fulltime Reprisal. With that in mind, Priwen is going to be equal to or better than Ochain at any level.

That said, AA EV is a joke with any shield, so having an Ochain for it in particular would be silly.

From what I recall with martel testing, and the subsequent arguing;

Priwen being able to use reprisal, has a better mitigation ratio, but, it wasn't a higher block rate. And all it takes is one unblocked tp move to end you. Absurd circumstance like AAGK landing a 1 in a million Fudo for 3k through a missed block, and skillchaining you, but it's there.

It's just safer to use Ochain than rely on a spell to make Priwen work.

And if you want to be an effective brd you need to have both Ghorn and daurdaubla (99) :P

No... Terpander and Clarion call with a +3 instrument is perfectly acceptable as a BRD. The biggest selling point of Gjaller is Ballad+, and INVENTORY +7~!!!.

No AT ALL.

Terpander is totally equal as a daurdabla 90.
Eminent flute and some +3 instrument will make the minimum for most possible content.

well, i dont want to sound rude (and i dont have either instruments, so...) but weren't we talking about optimal setups here? A brd can do with 3 songs, but aren't 4 songs approximately 33% better?
Isnt Ghorn+Daurdabla99 at least as synergic as ochain+aegis?

No, we were talking about relics :p Only reason Ochain was brought into the discussion was because it compliments where Aegis lacks, which is a needed caveat to answer the OP's question

Amano should be tier 4 or 5, it's useless since tsuru is better and a ton easier to get.
Excalibur should be higher, I believe it's still the most damaging sword ? Pretty sure mandau lost a lot too this update with rudra being that good now.

Curious question though, why is Apoc 5th tier? I don't doubt Ragnarok is better, especially given I have one, but with the new WS changes, shouldn't that put Apoc at least T3, if not T2?