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By Bahamut.Baconwrap 2014-05-28 12:26:36
Oh? What is it then? A fear of non-homogeneous mixtures?
You make a fine anti-LGBT apologist, Bacon. I hope the establishment rewards you well.
You read what I wrote and you know very much that heterophobia exists in the LGBT community. To deny heterophobia exists makes you a liar or naive.
It's those gays who ONLY have gay friends, and NO "***-hags" don't count as having a diverse group of straight friends. You see it all the time these LGBT who cannot function outside of LGBT and they have to make everyone elses life miserable when they step outside their conclave.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2014-05-28 12:27:33
Bahamut.Baconwrap said: »Heterophobia is not hatred of straight people whatsoever. Rather it encompasses the psychological definition of phobia, fear. Heterophobia means fear of something that is different. It doesn't have the inherent meaning of fear towards heterosexuals.
And this thing anyway is bs.
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By Bahamut.Baconwrap 2014-05-28 12:31:44
And this thing anyway is bs. It stems as a defense mechanism for LGBT. LGBT in the US developed these subcultural communities for so long, that some became accustomed to it that they can only function within their subcultural community.
By Fumiku 2014-05-28 12:33:27
Bahamut.Baconwrap said: »Heterophobia Now the conversation has peaked my interest. Is that really a thing, or are they just so afraid of being ridiculed all the time?
He's basically saying that there are LGBT's that are intimidated by feeling inferior. The only way they can feel "equal" (but it really causes superiority) is to control the conversation though "political correctness instead of standing on their own and letting it run off their back like water on a duck.
I.E here is an *** moment.
Version 1
A$&&hole: "Penis suckin' homo"
Gay guy: OMG NOOZ OMG NOOS! CALLZ DA POLITICAL POLICE! (Kevin Heart rip off)
Version 2
A$&&hole: "Penis suckin' homo"
Gay guy: "SO!? F*^K YOU!"
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By Jetackuu 2014-05-28 12:33:48
dood you make no sense XD. The word is now oppressive BECAUSE of people and the history behind it. It don't matter if you say it jokingly, it is still meant in a derogatory fashion. You statement just doesn't make sense. It isn't, and the fact that you cannot see past it doesn't surprise me that it doesn't make sense to you.
Words alone aren't oppressive, by their very nature, they cannot be.
ok and whats ur point? Its like ur trying to convince me its ok for people to say F*g because its just a word? Obviously we all know in here that is is used primarily as a derogatory term... So this means when its said in most situations it is meant as such, a negative word.
The word *** (which is the long form of the word you're referencing) means a bundle of sticks, that's the definition I use, and I couldn't care less about how it's used in a derogatory fashion, and neither should you.
News flash: be offended, it won't hurt you, you won't get leprosy.
People need to freaking grow up.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2014-05-28 12:34:32
Seeking the companionship of those who share similar experiences or lifestyle as yours doesn't necessarily mean you hate the others. While I can understand if you talk about avoidance, particularly for those who've suffered some heavy stuff, the hating against heterosexuals is just senseless.
There is hate towards the opposite gender(surprisingly common among gays - though gods help you if you point it out), but..
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2014-05-28 12:42:30
Bahamut.Baconwrap said: »Heterophobia is not hatred of straight people whatsoever. Rather it encompasses the psychological definition of phobia, fear. Heterophobia means fear of something that is different. It doesn't have the inherent meaning of fear towards heterosexuals.
And this thing anyway is bs. Heterophobia is a term invented by anti-LGBT proponents to discredit their opposition by trying to project their own hatred onto the LGBT movement. Anti-LGBT views are no longer socially acceptable, but, according to them and apologists like Bacon, it's not because those views are logically worthless. It's because LGBTs are big meanie heads who simply hate heteros.
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By Bahamut.Baconwrap 2014-05-28 12:43:22
Seeking the companionship of those who share similar experiences or lifestyle as yours doesn't necessarily mean you hate the others. While I can understand if you talk about avoidance, particularly for those who've suffered some heavy stuff, the hating against heterosexuals is just senseless.
There is hate towards the opposite gender(surprisingly common among gays - though gods help you if you point it out), but..
Like I said before the word has less to do with hatred but more with fear and avoidance.
Heterophobia – It actually does exist
Quote: It has long been known homophobes exist everywhere. While they may not like being called that, it just is what they are. Likewise there is a phenomena in which homosexual people can be heterophobes. What is being a heterophobe like and what causes it? Is it a common thing? Is it worse than being a homophobe, or the same, or even justified?
Being a lifelong homosexual I wasn’t always a heterophobe. I mean after all my parents were straight and I didn’t fear them. I didn’t fear them at least until I got older and discovered my wonderful parents were homophobes. They despised everything gay behind closed doors. While they spewed the tolerance rhetoric in public, within their circle of friends whom they knew to be of the same view they would make their gay jokes, comment about how sick it was, and present any number of views and ideas on homosexuality which just weren’t right. I always found it quite delicious to know that under their roof, their baby, their hope for the future, was all that they despised and more. Still being young and dependent on my parents for basic survival as most children are, I learned to censor myself and by watching their actions and hearing their words against homosexuals my heterophobia began.
Over time it only increased. I saw in my own community how a young gay man was dragged to death tied to the bumper of a car and how many people including our very own chief of police intimated he had it coming to him for being a ***. I heard the priests talk about the unpardonable sin of same sex love. I watched teachers allow the teasing of kids suspected to be homosexual as it was thought this abuse would toughen them up. I even sadly enough watched my own family turn it’s back on my cousin who died from AIDS in the mid 1980′s. His own father refused to attend his services and stated “He’s rotting in hell now.” Matthew Shepard, Brandon Teena, Gwen Arajuo, and countless others just here in the good ol’ U.S.A. were murdered because of being in the LGBT in rather horrific ways by straight people. Quite frankly how could you not become heterophobic?
By the time I became an adult out on my own I became even more suspicious of the heterosexual community. Consider right wing zealots with nary a functioning brain. Idiotic conservative bloggers spewing hatred in the guise of news and fact. Conservative politicians and Christian fundamentalist that are all too fast to use their public soapbox to spread what can only be termed as intolerance and you’ll understand how heterophobia can become so widespread. At least that’s my opinion concerning the widespread nature of the phenomena.
Thanks to freedom of speech I can say that just as homophobes can call us twisted, ill, decrepit, unnatural or whatever they want, I can say hetero’s are twisted, ill, decrepit, unnatural and express my disgust at seeing them flaunting their deviant sexuality, kissing, holding hands, and irresponsibly breeding children the planet just can’t support. They ought to hit their knees and thank God homosexuals adopt the children they abandon because they lack the moral responsibility to raise those they create. Food shortages, rising oil prices, it’s all the fault of the hetero’s breeding beyond the planets means of support because they can’t figure out how to use birth control or tone down their wildly promiscuous sex lives. Heck even AIDS is the fault of the straight community, they after all are the ones creating gay babies right? How many gay or lesbian couples have created children between them? A quick survey shows the number as zero. But hey, that’s just my take on the issue. Opposing opinions are fun aren’t they?
Being a heteropobe also stems from not always enjoying the constitutional or even localized right to free speech. Homosexuals speaking publicly have long been censored or told to tone down their rhetoric as some straight person may take offense while blatantly homophobic views are presented with no counter point. Even when trying to present the opposing view of homophobia it isn’t uncommon to be held to a double standard to squelch our views from finding a venue. This tells us our opinions are less than valid if someone may deem it controversial.
What would be considered controversial, making a factually backed up statement that by proportion of percentage straight men are guilty of pedophilia more so that gay men as society often claims? Of course it would be even though “Researchers say that “a child’s risk of being molested by his or her relatives heterosexual partner is over one hundred times greater than by someone who might be identifiable as being homosexual.” Would saying hate groups in the U.S. are the domain of the heterosexual community be too controversial? Sure it would, even though of the 888 hate groups recognized by the SLPC in the U.S. there is not one which is comprised of homosexuals against anyone. There are however hate groups comprised of people touting themselves as: Patriots, conservatives, Christians, Black Separatists, Islamic Separatists, White Supremacists, Neo-Confederates, White Nationalists, Anti Immigrant, Anti Semites, Radical Traditionalist Catholics, Family Values Groups, Anti Gay, and of course the well rounded “general hate groups” that have so much anger they just can’t decide who to hate first or the most so they spread it around.
Given such examples of the manner some heterosexuals all too often view the LGBTQI community are we wise in our heterophobia due to the prevalence of gay hate groups and the violence and oppression perpetrated against the gay community currently and historically? Need an example of repression? Okay fine, gay marriage, how is that for starters? How about remembering it used to not only be acceptable but legal to deny service such as serving a drink to a table that had three homosexuals were seated at it? Adoption rights, public housing laws, job discrimination, even medical care discrimination, and the list goes on. These are just examples from my short lifetime. How many straight folks have been treated so badly in regards to these issues because they like the opposite sex? C’mon, get your hands in the air! Why aren’t your hands in the air? Oh I know, it’s because you never have had to deal with discrimination in these areas based on your sexual orientation. But again, that’s just my opinion.
Actually I’m not a heterophobe anymore, my parents weren’t that bad either in the grand scheme of things, they at least waited until I was an adult to disown me for being gay and kicking me out of the house to stay in accordance with state law concerning child abandonment. I could care less that straight people sleep with the opposite sex. In fact I think it’s great they are creating more gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgender babies to keep the *** nation alive and thriving. I love that they are giving up children for us to adopt in our gay homes. Is heterophobia better than homophobia? In my eyes no, each are equally wrong, but given the long history of discrimination, hate, and violence toward the gay community I certainly understand it much more than homophobia. Maybe if we all took the time to create intelligent arguments true discussion could take place and common ground found rather than simple finger pointing and the flinging about of accusations.
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2014-05-28 12:47:30
Bahamut.Baconwrap said: »Heterophobia Now the conversation has peaked my interest. Is that really a thing, or are they just so afraid of being ridiculed all the time?
He's basically saying that there are LGBT's that are intimidated by feeling inferior. The only way they can feel "equal" (but it really causes superiority) is to control the conversation though "political correctness instead of standing on their own and letting it run off their back like water on a duck.
I.E here is an *** moment.
Version 1
A$&&hole: "Penis suckin' homo"
Gay guy: OMG NOOZ OMG NOOS! CALLZ DA POLITICAL POLICE! (Kevin Heart rip off)
Version 2
A$&&hole: "Penis suckin' homo"
Gay guy: "SO!? F*^K YOU!" Heaven forbid the *** here should feel societal pressure to, you know, not call a gay guy a "penis suckin' homo." Why is the responsibility to change placed on the minority here?
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By Siren.Mosin 2014-05-28 12:50:20
so I was searching for a word for "the fear of idiots taking over the world" when I came across this gem:
“I fear the day technology will surpass our human interaction. The world will have a generation of idiots.”
― Albert Einstein
we made it uncle Al, we really made it!
but there is no phobia for what I was thinking of. now's our chance to coin it, ***.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2014-05-28 12:55:06
Words are words, if you take offense to them then you have a small mind.
There's no such thing as a bad word, only bad people, and context matters, not what was said, but how it was said.
People really need to get their panties out of a knot and get on with their damn lives.
No one can bully someone with words without the other's permission.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-05-28 12:55:51
Bahamut.Baconwrap said: »Heterophobia Now the conversation has peaked my interest. Is that really a thing, or are they just so afraid of being ridiculed all the time?
He's basically saying that there are LGBT's that are intimidated by feeling inferior. The only way they can feel "equal" (but it really causes superiority) is to control the conversation though "political correctness instead of standing on their own and letting it run off their back like water on a duck.
I.E here is an *** moment.
Version 1
A$&&hole: "Penis suckin' homo"
Gay guy: OMG NOOZ OMG NOOS! CALLZ DA POLITICAL POLICE! (Kevin Heart rip off)
Version 2
A$&&hole: "Penis suckin' homo"
Gay guy: "SO!? F*^K YOU!" Like fascism?
By fonewear 2014-05-28 12:57:41
Bahamut.Baconwrap said: »Heterophobia Now the conversation has peaked my interest. Is that really a thing, or are they just so afraid of being ridiculed all the time?
He's basically saying that there are LGBT's that are intimidated by feeling inferior. The only way they can feel "equal" (but it really causes superiority) is to control the conversation though "political correctness instead of standing on their own and letting it run off their back like water on a duck.
I.E here is an *** moment.
Version 1
A$&&hole: "Penis suckin' homo"
Gay guy: OMG NOOZ OMG NOOS! CALLZ DA POLITICAL POLICE! (Kevin Heart rip off)
Version 2
A$&&hole: "Penis suckin' homo"
Gay guy: "SO!? F*^K YOU!" Like fascism?
Ain't no party like a gay fascism party cause a gay fascism party don't stop !
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-05-28 12:58:37
so I was searching for a word for "the fear of idiots taking over the world" when I came across this gem:
“I fear the day technology will surpass our human interaction. The world will have a generation of idiots.”
― Albert Einstein
we made it uncle Al, we really made it!
but there is no phobia for what I was thinking of. now's our chance to coin it, ***. Moronaphobia or Idiophobia.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2014-05-28 13:04:47
Bahamut.Baconwrap said: »Heterophobia Now the conversation has peaked my interest. Is that really a thing, or are they just so afraid of being ridiculed all the time?
He's basically saying that there are LGBT's that are intimidated by feeling inferior. The only way they can feel "equal" (but it really causes superiority) is to control the conversation though "political correctness instead of standing on their own and letting it run off their back like water on a duck.
I.E here is an *** moment.
Version 1
A$&&hole: "Penis suckin' homo"
Gay guy: OMG NOOZ OMG NOOS! CALLZ DA POLITICAL POLICE! (Kevin Heart rip off)
Version 2
A$&&hole: "Penis suckin' homo"
Gay guy: "SO!? F*^K YOU!" Heaven forbid the *** here should feel societal pressure to, you know, not call a gay guy a "penis suckin' homo." Why is the responsibility to change placed on the minority here?
Speech police inbound we got a 1582 in progress... Seriously, is the world gonna end because it's populated with ***? First time ever.
Get over yourself. The whole purpose of "free speech" is the protection of speech that IS offensive. All you're doing by putting pressure on a group of people to not speak is to insist that they not have the right to speak something that's offensive to you. If other people should really bend their lives so that you can walk around and not have your feelings hurt then you're a shinning example of narcissism.
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By Siren.Mosin 2014-05-28 13:07:08
The whole purpose of "free speech" is the protection of speech that IS offensive.
nah. not even close.
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By Bahamut.Baconwrap 2014-05-28 13:07:14
Ain't no party like a gay fascism party cause a gay fascism party don't stop !
You bring the booze I'll bring all five seasons of *** Eye for the Straight Guy!
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By ScaevolaBahamut 2014-05-28 13:08:48
Quote: Get over yourself. The whole purpose of "free speech" is the protection of speech that IS offensive.
No one is suggesting you should be prosecuted for offensive speech.
Well, I'm sure some sophomore on Tumblr thinks you should, but whatever.
The point of all this is to appeal to the part of you that maybe doesn't want to go around being a ***, offending people every time you open your mouth. The hope is that you might not have realized your behavior (normalized as it is) was offensive, and perhaps you might want to change!
If you don't, fine, but that doesn't really matter to the debate, because ultimately if you're knowingly embracing being a hurtful *** and out yourself as such, nobody will care what you think as much as you think they do when you complain about the PC Police!
By fonewear 2014-05-28 13:09:04
Bahamut.Baconwrap said: »Ain't no party like a gay fascism party cause a gay fascism party don't stop !
You bring the booze I'll bring all five seasons of *** Eye for the Straight Guy!
My subconscious remember that Coolio first came up with that line. And about 20 years later I still remember it.
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By Bahamut.Baconwrap 2014-05-28 13:11:53
No one is suggesting you should be prosecuted for offensive speech. No, just that you loose your job.
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By fonewear 2014-05-28 13:13:59
I'm a 90's rapper and I find this very offensive.
By ScaevolaBahamut 2014-05-28 13:15:10
Bahamut.Baconwrap said: »No one is suggesting you should be prosecuted for offensive speech. No, just that you loose your job.
Maybe you should find an employer who shares your values, then. Or had you not considered that your employer might actually agree with your critics and would prefer not to be associated with your views?
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By Bahamut.Baconwrap 2014-05-28 13:25:56
Maybe you should find an employer who shares your values, then. Or had you not considered that your employer might actually agree with your critics and would prefer not to be associated with your views?
The critics are not unanimous. Hence why the LGBT community received a backlash from the Mozilla, HGTV and Duck Dynasty incidents. They are less unanimous regarding the RuPaul incident.
Not all of us LGBT function along the social doctrines of this LGBT fringe.
I really like RuPaul's analogy here. The rebels eventually forgot the purpose of the revolution. Their revolution has turned into PC policing rather than civil rights.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2014-05-28 13:27:33
Bahamut.Baconwrap said: »No one is suggesting you should be prosecuted for offensive speech. No, just that you loose your job.
Maybe you should find an employer who shares your values, then. Or had you not considered that your employer might actually agree with your critics and would prefer not to be associated with your views?
So firing you for being homophobic is "progress" but firing you for being a homosexual is bigoted and moving backwards.
Sorry bud you cant have it both ways, either employers have no business in your life or they have every right to it.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2014-05-28 13:29:25
In one case you love people of the same gender, in the other you hate homosexuals. Can't see how love is not frowned upon but hate is? Really really?
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2014-05-28 13:30:21
In one case you love people of the same gender, in the other you hate homosexuals. Can't see how love is not frowned upon but hate is? Really really?
People aren't free to hate or love who they want?
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2014-05-28 13:31:13
Obviously the point is if this is brought into the workplace(or taken to extremes outside of it).
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By Leviathan.Comeatmebro 2014-05-28 13:36:48
so if someone's extremely homosexual(create your own mental image, it's fun) outside the workplace it's ok to fire them for it?
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2014-05-28 13:37:38
In one case you love people of the same gender, in the other you hate homosexuals. Can't see how love is not frowned upon but hate is? Really really?
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By Leviathan.Comeatmebro 2014-05-28 13:40:31
can we talk about how close love and hate are to the same thing if you really think a cliche like that poses a decent argument
RuPaul has gone on two very public interviews to call-out word policing in the LGBT community.
RuPaul Further Responds to Transphobic Accusations: "I've Been a 'Tra@ny' For 32 Years"
RUPAUL ON LGBT SPEECH POLICE: 'B*TCH, YOU NEED TO GET STRONGER
Quote: These are fringe people who are looking for storylines to strengthen their identity as victims.
Quote: If your idea of happiness has to do with someone else changing--what they say, what they do--you are in for a fucking hard-ass road.
Quote: The pigs forgot why they had a revolution in the first place, and the pigs started walking up on their hind legs. Secretly, they just want to be Farmer John.
It's kinda interesting that RuPaul is in this media shit-storm and his show has yet to be cancelled. Whereas Duck Dynasty and HGTV have been cancelled or come under much worse scrutiny. Seems political correctness is not a two-way street.
What I really like about these articles is RuPaul is highlighting this "fringe" of LGBT that is overly politically correct and coming down on public figures. So this has less to do with transphobia, and more like the Gay Fascism thread. I really agree with his statement: " If your idea of happiness has to do with someone else changing--what they say, what they do--you are in for a fucking hard-ass road."
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