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By Yuukari 2014-03-26 12:51:07
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I can't be responsible though. I like to make bad decisions.

Freedom = pro-choice.

If a woman wants to have eleventy billion abortions then so be it. Someone so irresponsible to avoid using birth control and other methods of contraception would most definitely fail to be a good parent.

But that isn't the argument. The argument the pro-life side maintains is that life is sacred no matter what yet I can't help but scream HYPOCRISY when these are the same people riding the death penalty for adults. Is life not sacred then? Should we not help our wayward kin when they rape, pillage and murder? Naw, *** 'em. Electrocute them until they ***themselves and still fail to die.

Further, if abortions are the issue why not back comprehensive birth control methods and education? Nope, cause its all about controlling SEX period as all religions seek to do. The babies distraction is just a small data point towards the goal of making sex taboo once more.

Go to the Middle East if you want that life. I like my freedoms, you should too.

The reason the death penalty even exists is because of an ancient (Was it Roman or Greek?) Eye for an Eye. Yes if you kill someone or more than just one person, what the *** do you think is going to happen?
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By Caitsith.Zahrah 2014-03-26 12:52:02
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So now we're arguing appeal to emotion and moral superiority and denying scientific facts, got it, par for the course.

Also the adoption myth, gotta love when that one gets tossed around.

Sorry. I don't know how to make it palatable to them anymore. Time and time again, they keep outing a level of sheer ignorance and/or apathy to, what should be, a very basic understanding of male/female symbiosis.
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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2014-03-26 12:52:41
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The reason the death penalty even exists is because of an ancient (Was it Roman or Greek?) Eye for an Eye. Yes if you kill someone or more than just one person, what the *** do you think is going to happen?


It's actually a biblical quote. Exodus 21:24 and Matthew 5:38.

Open the hypocrisy flood gates!!!!!!!!
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By Asura.Ina 2014-03-26 12:52:43
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Lakshmi.Flavin said: »
I think people have quite a few misconceptions about the adoption process as well...
I remember being told in elementary school that they went in with tongs and broke apart the baby... I'm glad they took a less biased approach in high school.

Yuukari said: »
If put up for adoption the baby can find foster parents who actually want a child but probably cannot have one.
In a perfect world maybe, but aren't orphanages already overflowing to begin with? Just like pets, just because they are up for adoption doesn't mean they get a happy ending in the end.

The ugly truth is that abortions will happen, it's not a new thing to the last century or two. It can happen in a medically supervised environment or it can happen with a coat hanger. I like to think the first option is preferable.
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2014-03-26 12:52:53
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Yuukari said: »
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Yuukari said: »
they're just so beautiful,

yeah, but sometimes they turn out to be me...

and it makes you rethink the whole thing...

Yeah but how is anyone supposed to know how a little baby is going to turn out evil?

I you ever met me you would wonder why anyone would even take that chance...
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2014-03-26 12:57:17
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Yuukari said: »
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »
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I can't be responsible though. I like to make bad decisions.

Freedom = pro-choice.

If a woman wants to have eleventy billion abortions then so be it. Someone so irresponsible to avoid using birth control and other methods of contraception would most definitely fail to be a good parent.

But that isn't the argument. The argument the pro-life side maintains is that life is sacred no matter what yet I can't help but scream HYPOCRISY when these are the same people riding the death penalty for adults. Is life not sacred then? Should we not help our wayward kin when they rape, pillage and murder? Naw, *** 'em. Electrocute them until they ***themselves and still fail to die.

Further, if abortions are the issue why not back comprehensive birth control methods and education? Nope, cause its all about controlling SEX period as all religions seek to do. The babies distraction is just a small data point towards the goal of making sex taboo once more.

Go to the Middle East if you want that life. I like my freedoms, you should too.

The reason the death penalty even exists is because of an ancient (Was it Roman or Greek?) Eye for an Eye. Yes if you kill someone or more than just one person, what the *** do you think is going to happen?
You get put in a cell for the rest of your natural born life?

Babylon... Mr. Hammurabi I believe aided in the establishment of the eye for an ey theme... I don't really understand your premise that it only exists because of a previous development of eye for an eye... are you saying because of this we should follow that code? Should we start chopping off theives hands?

There may be an origin of where the idea first started but it certainly doesn't mean that we have to adopt it ourselves or resort to such barbaric tactics...
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2014-03-26 12:58:20
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I think people have quite a few misconceptions about the adoption process as well...
I remember being told in elementary school that they went in with tongs and broke apart the baby... I'm glad they took a less biased approach in high school.
adoption process not abortion process lol..
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By Yuukari 2014-03-26 12:58:32
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Lakshmi.Flavin said: »
Yuukari said: »
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »
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I can't be responsible though. I like to make bad decisions.

Freedom = pro-choice.

If a woman wants to have eleventy billion abortions then so be it. Someone so irresponsible to avoid using birth control and other methods of contraception would most definitely fail to be a good parent.

But that isn't the argument. The argument the pro-life side maintains is that life is sacred no matter what yet I can't help but scream HYPOCRISY when these are the same people riding the death penalty for adults. Is life not sacred then? Should we not help our wayward kin when they rape, pillage and murder? Naw, *** 'em. Electrocute them until they ***themselves and still fail to die.

Further, if abortions are the issue why not back comprehensive birth control methods and education? Nope, cause its all about controlling SEX period as all religions seek to do. The babies distraction is just a small data point towards the goal of making sex taboo once more.

Go to the Middle East if you want that life. I like my freedoms, you should too.

The reason the death penalty even exists is because of an ancient (Was it Roman or Greek?) Eye for an Eye. Yes if you kill someone or more than just one person, what the *** do you think is going to happen?
You get put in a cell for the rest of your natural born life?

Babylon... Mr. Hammurabi I believe aided in the establishment of the eye for an ey theme... I don't really understand your premise that it only exists because of a previous development of eye for an eye... are you saying because of this we should follow that code? Should we start chopping off theives hands?

There may be an origin of where the idea first started but it certainly doesn't mean that we have to adopt it ourselves or resort to such barbaric tactics...

If someone has sticky fingers you slap them on the wrist, if they repeat then hey do a bit of time.
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By fonewear 2014-03-26 12:58:53
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Most babies don't survive adoption. It is a sad state of affairs.
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By Asura.Ina 2014-03-26 13:00:25
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Lakshmi.Flavin said: »
Asura.Ina said: »
Lakshmi.Flavin said: »
I think people have quite a few misconceptions about the adoption process as well...
I remember being told in elementary school that they went in with tongs and broke apart the baby... I'm glad they took a less biased approach in high school.
adoption process not abortion process lol..
Well then don't mind me being HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2014-03-26 13:03:31
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Asura.Ina said: »
In a perfect world maybe, but aren't orphanages already overflowing to begin with? Just like pets, just because they are up for adoption doesn't mean they get a happy ending in the end.

The ugly truth is that abortions will happen, it's not a new thing to the last century or two. It can happen in a medically supervised environment or it can happen with a coat hanger. I like to think the first option is preferable.

The adoption system is a clusterfuck and to make it simple to adopt a child would open the floodgates for abuse. People serious about adoption find it easier to go overseas rather than the red tape here in the states. The third world has children in abundance looking to be adopted en masse. Or just pay someone to carry the child for you. I guess that'd be shirking responsibility too? It doesn't count unless you gestate the baby!

Further, the baggage and stigma associated with adoption make it very undesirable both on a personal and legal level. Having the biological parents show up 10 years down the road trying to take your child back (its yours, you raised them. period.) and the stressful situation this puts both adopted parent / child isn't worth the hassle for most. Or the fear your child will reject the adoptive parents (currently a situation in my family) and go rogue. Or the social stigma of being an adoptive parent.

Better to just spawn your own overlord/s.

Further even with adoption overhauls the same people whining about sacred life would take the argument to anyone not in their 'clan' adopting children. See: atheists, LBGT, interracial parents, old people etc etc. Bottom line is ideological warfare guised behind the face of infants.
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By fonewear 2014-03-26 13:03:45
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Death penalty ? You mean sitting on death row for 40 years appealing ?
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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2014-03-26 13:04:03
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Yuukari said: »
If someone has sticky fingers you slap them on the wrist, if they repeat then hey do a bit of time.

baack in the day they just chopped them fingers off. Usually at the wrist.
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By Jetackuu 2014-03-26 13:05:20
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Yuukari said: »

The reason the death penalty even exists is because of an ancient (Was it Roman or Greek?) Eye for an Eye. Yes if you kill someone or more than just one person, what the *** do you think is going to happen?
Wrong: it exists because of a misconception of moral superiority and a false sense of justice.

I'll give that it's archaic, but it's also not logical based upon our other supposed standards of justice, and definitely has no place in a civil society.
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By Jetackuu 2014-03-26 13:06:01
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So now we're arguing appeal to emotion and moral superiority and denying scientific facts, got it, par for the course.

Also the adoption myth, gotta love when that one gets tossed around.

Sorry. I don't know how to make it palatable to them anymore. Time and time again, they keep outing a level of sheer ignorance and/or apathy to, what should be, a very basic understanding of male/female symbiosis.
Mind boggling, it be.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2014-03-26 13:06:21
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Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »
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But that isn't the argument. The argument the pro-life side maintains is that life is sacred no matter what yet I can't help but scream HYPOCRISY when these are the same people riding the death penalty for adults. Is life not sacred then? ....
Their theology allows for this you know.

They read the thou shall not kill thing as thou shall not take innocent life.

So anti abortion, pro death penalty, pro war, all part of their God's great plan.
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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2014-03-26 13:08:18
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So anti abortion, pro death penalty, pro war, all part of their God's great plan.

Thanks EXODUS.
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By Yuukari 2014-03-26 13:09:19
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So anti abortion, pro death penalty, pro war, all part of their God's great plan.

Thanks EXODUS.
Garuda.Chanti said: »
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »
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But that isn't the argument. The argument the pro-life side maintains is that life is sacred no matter what yet I can't help but scream HYPOCRISY when these are the same people riding the death penalty for adults. Is life not sacred then? ....
Their theology allows for this you know.

They read the thou shall not kill thing as thou shall not take innocent life.

So anti abortion, pro death penalty, pro war, all part of their God's great plan.

I'm sorry, did I ever say I was for that joke of a war?
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By Garuda.Chanti 2014-03-26 13:11:47
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And pivoting back to my main objection here.

Quote:
Hobby Lobby's attorneys argue that the law violates the company's constitutional right to religious freedom by forcing it to cover all forms of birth control or pay steep fines. The company's owners are morally opposed to intrauterine devices and emergency contraception, believing it to be a form of abortion, though medical studies have debunked that claim.
Its that believing part....
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2014-03-26 13:14:32
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Every sperm is sacred.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2014-03-26 13:15:09
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Yuukari said: »
Garuda.Chanti said: »
So anti abortion, pro death penalty, pro war, all part of their God's great plan.
Garuda.Chanti said: »
Their theology allows for this you know.

They read the thou shall not kill thing as thou shall not take innocent life.

So anti abortion, pro death penalty, pro war, all part of their God's great plan.
I'm sorry, did I ever say I was for that joke of a war?
What joke of which war?

I am talking theology in that post, no specific war was mentioned.
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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2014-03-26 13:18:02
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Yuukari said: »
Lakshmi.Zerowone said: »
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So anti abortion, pro death penalty, pro war, all part of their God's great plan.

Thanks EXODUS.
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Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »
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But that isn't the argument. The argument the pro-life side maintains is that life is sacred no matter what yet I can't help but scream HYPOCRISY when these are the same people riding the death penalty for adults. Is life not sacred then? ....
Their theology allows for this you know.

They read the thou shall not kill thing as thou shall not take innocent life.

So anti abortion, pro death penalty, pro war, all part of their God's great plan.

I'm sorry, did I ever say I was for that joke of a war?

Sorry, but there isn't specific a war mentioned in anything you quoted.

Do you understand that the generalized comment that was being made was about the hypocrisy with people that use religion as a reason to be anti-abortion yet also use it to be pro-death penalty and pro-war?

The book of Exodus is one the books in the Bible that is rife with these hypocritical stances.
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By Caitsith.Zahrah 2014-03-26 13:18:44
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Lakshmi.Zerowone said: »
Garuda.Chanti said: »
So anti abortion, pro death penalty, pro war, all part of their God's great plan.

Thanks EXODUS.

Why you talkin' smack about our XIV server?
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2014-03-26 13:19:56
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Stone unruly children.
Murder adulterers.
Slavery is permissible.
Fathers sell women into sex slavery.
Rape can be absolved with a fine.

Cmon.
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By Caitsith.Zahrah 2014-03-26 13:21:25
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Every sperm is sacred.

But remember, those eggs are worthless, unless you're selling them! Monetarily, eggs trump sperm. GOP should be totally behind eggs in that respect.
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By fonewear 2014-03-26 13:21:53
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And away we go.
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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2014-03-26 13:37:40
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Every sperm is sacred.

But remember, those eggs are worthless, unless you're selling them! Monetarily, eggs trump sperm. GOP should be totally behind eggs in that respect.

Tenets of capitalism in regards to supply and demand.

There is only like 10 billion Ovum per global generation versus the global supply of a Centillion on the low end to Quinquagintaquadringentilliard sperm cells on the high end, at any given moment.

(yes that is a real word and number).
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2014-03-26 13:43:22
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It's kind of like when people start a sentence with, "With all due respect,..."; you know you're about to be disrespected.

or end a super offensive statement with "no offense"

makes me pee myself laughing every time.
The one that really twists my nipples is when people say IMO. Of course it's your *** opinion. Your name is right there next to it.
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2014-03-26 13:46:08
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Stone unruly children.
Murder adulterers.
Slavery is permissible.
Fathers sell women into sex slavery.
Rape can be absolved with a fine.

THESE ARE A FEW OF MY FAVORITE THINGS!!!!!

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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2014-03-26 13:47:48
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Cerberus.Pleebo said: »
Siren.Mosin said: »
Lakshmi.Zerowone said: »
It's kind of like when people start a sentence with, "With all due respect,..."; you know you're about to be disrespected.

or end a super offensive statement with "no offense"

makes me pee myself laughing every time.
The one that really twists my nipples is when people say IMO. Of course it's your *** opinion. Your name is right there next to it.
I kinda get that one... You could be giving a factual statement or discussing someone elses opinion...
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