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 Garuda.Chanti
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By Garuda.Chanti 2014-03-25 15:17:09
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Court majority harshly critical of Obamacare contraception mandate - CNN

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The court is reviewing provisions of the Affordable Care Act requiring for-profit employers of a certain size to offer insurance benefits for birth control and other reproductive health services without a co-pay.

At issue is whether certain companies can refuse to do so on the sincere claim it would violate their owners' long-established personal beliefs.
The problem as I see it. like many religious beliefs this one is something demonstrably false. They believe the IUD and morning after pills are abortifacants. They are not. But it IS a sincere religious belief.

For balance....

Barbara Boxer: Why no Viagra complaints? - Politico

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“I have never heard Hobby Lobby or any other corporation, I could be wrong, or any other boss complain that Viagra is covered in many insurance plans, practically all of them, or other kinds of things, you know, for men, which I won’t go into
Like penis pumps?

Samantha Bee Finds Out Medicare Funds Penis Pumps - Huffington Post.

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As NARAL president Ilyse Hogue explained to Bee during the segment, Medicare has spent $172 million on penis pumps over the last five years, and no one seems to have a problem with that.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2014-03-25 15:22:08
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Uh, so where is Diana Ross on this?
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By Bismarck.Ihina 2014-03-25 15:22:23
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Pretty sure the vagina is for baby making and any attempt at using it for fun is against religious beliefs.
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By fonewear 2014-03-25 15:25:43
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It's my body I'll make bad decisions !
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-03-25 15:26:21
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Yay, another Chanti troll thread!
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By fonewear 2014-03-25 15:26:40
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Bismarck.Ihina said: »
Pretty sure the vagina is for baby making and any attempt at using it for fun is against religious beliefs.

Why would anyone want to reproduce ?
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By Bismarck.Ihina 2014-03-25 15:26:42
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fonewear said: »
It's my body I'll make bad decisions !

The government should step in and stop you from making bad decisions because the government knows best
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By fonewear 2014-03-25 15:28:00
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Government should pay for abortions also why not. I've already proven I'm not responsible enough to keep from getting pregnant.
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By Bismarck.Ihina 2014-03-25 15:34:27
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Maybe you should become a leftist, learn some actual responsibility and pushing for contraception coverage to keep women from getting pregnant.

Can't pray to god for everything and hope everything turns out alright. That's irresponsible.
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By fonewear 2014-03-25 15:35:04
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Why would I want to be responsible I get free birth control ?
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2014-03-25 15:37:55
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Checkmate, Hobby Lobby.
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By fonewear 2014-03-25 15:39:49
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But if I get one more abortion I get the next one free.
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By Bismarck.Ihina 2014-03-25 15:44:23
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fonewear said: »
Why would I want to be responsible I get free birth control ?

And why would I want to get to work on time when I can just take my car.

I find that when you have to pretend to be stupid to convince yourself that you have a legitimate point to make, you should just give up.
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By fonewear 2014-03-25 15:48:27
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Point the only point is I'm going to sleep with as many men as possible then blame someone else for getting pregnant.
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By Bismarck.Ihina 2014-03-25 15:53:03
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And it just tears you up that you're not one of those men, doesn't it.
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By Caitsith.Zahrah 2014-03-25 15:55:00
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All I'm going to say (and I know that I've said this umpteen times now) is that there are non-contraceptive purposes for birth control.

Regulation of irregular/heavy menstruation. (Anemia falls in there!)

Endometriosis.

Ovarian cancer/cysts and uterine cancer.

/shakes head disapprovingly
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2014-03-25 16:03:12
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Why is abortion even being brought up? Use of contraception is not abortion...
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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2014-03-25 16:04:32
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Don't forget y'all. Penis Pumps and Viagra are covered under Medicare; cause old impotent men matter more than anything else.
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2014-03-25 16:07:43
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Better question, why doesn't everyone have fone on block?

Hobby Lobby's argument seems so tenuous that I'm not even sure how this made it all the way to SCOTUS. On the other hand, it's another way to expand corporate rights so I guess there's my answer.
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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2014-03-25 16:10:13
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Cerberus.Pleebo said: »
Better question, why doesn't everyone have fone on block?

Hobby Lobby's argument seems so tenuous that I'm not even sure how this made it all the way to SCOTUS. On the other hand, it's another way to expand corporate rights so I guess there's my answer.

Probably by using the same shady lawyer logic a'la the 14th amendment, that allowed corporations to be recognized as an individual.
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By Bismarck.Ihina 2014-03-25 16:11:50
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Lakshmi.Flavin said: »
Why is abortion even being brought up? Use of contraception is not abortion...

You just have the understand the conservative mind.

It's not that conservatives are against abortion or contraception, it's that they're against anything and everything that allows women to have sex without the consequence of bearing a child. That's why they rally against the 'abortion pill' when it doesn't do anything like what they think it does.

If they were really just against abortion, they would throw all their support towards contraception because it's the best way to lower abortion rates.
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By Ragnarok.Hevans 2014-03-25 16:13:05
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the supremes are too old to tackle anyone, and that's a pretty sloppy form of birth control.
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By fonewear 2014-03-25 16:15:09
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Glad I'm told what to think by liberals. It is nice not having to have an opinion.


I mean everyone knows every conservative is anti women.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-03-25 16:17:02
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fonewear said: »
Glad I'm told what to think by liberals. It is nice not having to have an opinion.
They are always told what to think, it is second nature to them.

They are amazed (and jealous) at the ability to think for oneself, but they were told not to like it, so they don't.
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By Bismarck.Ihina 2014-03-25 16:18:54
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Well, long as you're taking cues from liberals, here's another one that will come in handy for the future.

Stop Praying For Rain

Properly fund the fire department like you're supposed to and maybe they can do their job.
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By fonewear 2014-03-25 16:18:59
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It is impossible for a man to discuss birth control I mean. Why would I want to be part of raising a child ?
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By Valefor.Endoq 2014-03-25 16:20:06
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Oh look another trollbait thread. . .
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By Raein Tilgung 2014-03-25 16:22:01
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
fonewear said: »
Glad I'm told what to think by liberals. It is nice not having to have an opinion.
They are always told what to think, it is second nature to them.

They are amazed (and jealous) at the ability to think for oneself, but they were told not to like it, so they don't.
Pot kettle, etc.

fonewear said: »
I mean everyone knows every conservative is anti women.
Those conservatives (mostly) are the ones that seem to be cool with medicare allowing old impotent men to get laid for free/reduced cost. But god forbid a woman want to do the same!

Not to mention for the other non-contraceptive reasons that are vastly more viable reasons for health care coverage then viagra and penis pumps will ever be.
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By fonewear 2014-03-25 16:22:20
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I think men should be sterilized so we can save money on birth control.
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By Bismarck.Ihina 2014-03-25 16:22:59
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fonewear said: »
It is impossible for a man to discuss birth control I mean. Why would I want to be part of raising a child ?

Bismarck.Ihina said: »
I find that when you have to pretend to be stupid to convince yourself that you have a legitimate point to make, you should just give up.

Does losing the culture war really hurt that much?
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