The Supremes Tackle Birth Control

Do you believe in the concept of free will and that we are free to make our own decisions in life without interference from others? When it comes to their own bodies, people are free to do what they want.
End of Story.

Also sounds like you have moral objections to the concept based on the first clause of your opening sentence in what is quoted.

Free will and then irresponsibility. I think there needs to be a line drawn when it comes to that part. Yeah it's ok for us to make a decision for something that can't even have a say in it.

the baby is punished as well.

I think people have quite a few misconceptions about the adoption process as well...

That's called playing coy, you're focusing on the concept of denying unborns a choice while ignoring the right of a cognitive life form to make a choice.

You may not agree with the choices people make but it doesn't give yourself, myself or any collective group who also disagrees with them the right to deny them the ability to make the choice.

Isn't the line that was drawn 24 weeks?

If put up for adoption the baby can find foster parents who actually want a child but probably cannot have one.

As for a moral statement yes I have a moral stance against abortion (This is not at you Mosin ^^) but forgive me for wording it like that. I just don't agree that abortions should be given to people who didn't take the time to use contraceptives or condoms. It is not punishment, it's called responsibility which in most cases a lot of people lack this in the US.

then overturn roe v. wade or pass a constitutional amendment outlawing abortion; don't keep looking to these sickly endruns around an established constitutional right to enforce your perception of justice

Almost as bad as the 'appease God' argument. God is love but if you return to sender enough babies you'll get a Flood II, Quakeja or Tornado II for your efforts. Usually effects mostly poor people who are ardent believers for dramatic effect.

So are you ok with someone getting an abortion if they used contraception but still got pregnant?

Honestly no, I'm just not ok with the thought of killing off something that could have been born. For a woman it is a life changing experience.

Also forgot to ask, even though it's inside of the body at the time, if you could see the little one's face, see just how defenseless, how dependent, how fragile they are...they're just so beautiful, if I was able to support one, I would love to have a baby of my own. It's just one of those things that we as humans do, and I guess in my head it just doesn't seem ok to abort a baby. Spending a lot of time around them, you grow fond of seeing the little ones all bundled up, and it makes me sad when people talk about abortion, because those that got aborted will never get to know what life is...it's sad, that's something the would-be baby doesn't deserve.

yeah, but sometimes they turn out to be me...

and it makes you rethink the whole thing...

I can't be responsible though. I like to make bad decisions.

Yeah but how is anyone supposed to know how a little baby is going to turn out evil?

I never got why people start a sentance with "honestly" in a reply... Were you not being honest with me before?

In any case... Personally I agree with you... I am pro life in the strictest sense that in my personal belief I find there no reason to have abortions... Many people disagree with me and there are some good arguments for each side but... living in the world we do regardless of what my belief is on the matter I also think it's a necassary evil of the day and one I don't feel I have the right to restrict others on to a point...

Stemming from the lack of education we give children on the topic (that sometimes follows them into adulthood) the pressures put on women, to have/not have and take care of among others like societal pressures to even have sex in the first place and the idea that these pressures would lead them to this path anyways through much more dangerous means...

In any case I think our time would be better spent developing programs, educating and providing safe environments for both men and women so that they make better decisions instead of berating them, leaving them in the dark and trying to force legislation through that only reflects our own personal mold of how things should be.

They will have a DNA test for that soon...

We do have tests for this... They're just, how do I say this, frowned upon?

it's a common theme when you grow up destitute, with lingering thoughts in your head about how the people who are supposed to love & care for you never wanted you in the first place. you feel like your entire existence is a burden, & it can be very hard to overcome.

Thrice we sent Terminators back and they failed. Useless piles of mechanical junk.

It's kind of like when people start a sentence with, "With all due respect,..."; you know you're about to be disrespected.

With all due respect I honestly don't know maybe.

Why is it that the people who are pro-abortion are vehemently opposed to coverage of contraceptives? How does that make any sense? Harping on personal responsibility on one hand but making it difficult to take responsible, preventative measures on the other?

God help some of our resident ultra-conservatives here when/if they have daughters! Incoming hypothetical here...Will you all be shying away from contraceptive measures when your daughter/s reach high school? That screams delusion and naiveté to me. Will some of you deny your daughter/s treatment of say anemia that is exacerbated by irregularity because it taints your personal sensibilities? If you wouldn't deny your daughter/s that, why would you deny others?

or end a super offensive statement with "no offense"

makes me pee myself laughing every time.

I want my daughter to be barefoot and pregnant damn it !

So now we're arguing appeal to emotion and moral superiority and denying scientific facts, got it, par for the course.

Also the adoption myth, gotta love when that one gets tossed around.

So that's how parker came into existence... Well I'll be...

Freedom = pro-choice.

If a woman wants to have eleventy billion abortions then so be it. Someone so irresponsible to avoid using birth control and other methods of contraception would most definitely fail to be a good parent.

But that isn't the argument. The argument the pro-life side maintains is that life is sacred no matter what yet I can't help but scream HYPOCRISY when these are the same people riding the death penalty for adults. Is life not sacred then? Should we not help our wayward kin when they rape, pillage and murder? Naw, *** 'em. Electrocute them until they ***themselves and still fail to die.

Further, if abortions are the issue why not back comprehensive birth control methods and education? Nope, cause its all about controlling SEX period as all religions seek to do. The babies distraction is just a small data point towards the goal of making sex taboo once more.

Go to the Middle East if you want that life. I like my freedoms, you should too.

I've been to the Mid East the hospitals there are amazing.