The Supremes Tackle Birth Control

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Days in the news....

And so far no one has mentioned that their religious beliefs tell then that these forms of birth control are aborticants. Which they are NOT.

This case is really about allowing religious beliefs to trump scientific fact.

Not what I said at all, but living ones life according to their religious beliefs inclusive of running a corporation is most certainly inclusive in the "free exercise" of religion.


To suggest that people aren't genuine to their beliefs because they consider themselves a catholic that does believe in the practice of birth control is stupid. Beliefs are beliefs, one can agree with their church on x and not y without consequence to the 1st amendment. It is exactly what "free exercise" is directed towards.

No one is forcing anything on anyone in this particular case, except the government who seeks to force the employer to condone and pay for their employee's emergency (abortive) contraceptive methods.

We aren't allowed to discuss religion. It might offend someone.


Even if you don't have religion it is still offensive.

It seems more like corporations using "religious freedoms" as way a of skirting government regulation.

I know an Atheist that goes to the the church of Atheism every Friday. He is the biggest non believer I've ever seen.

well... we are basically at the point we are arguing whether the corporations or government has the authority to control our lives.
it's getting harder and harder to decide which is the lesser of two evils...

Or a way for a tyrannical administration to nullify the 1st amendment...


A) You can always make the choice to not do business with a corporation. There's no alternative with the government.

B) This argument is about restricting the behavior of the corporation. The corporation is not affecting your health in any way. Employees still have unfettered access to the birth control, they just need to pay for it themselves.

Well the only evil corporation is Wal Mart. The rest are still debatable.

I heard people at Home Depot worship the devil though...

Why not a third party option? Like Corporate Theocracy or Theocratic Plutocracy?

Well the government already tells me what to think so what is the big deal ?

I mean I believe in UFO's and conspiracy theories already.

Why wouldn't I believe in mind control ?

that's already happened...

/tinfoil hat

Diehard bible-thumpers are called intolerant bigots.

Progress with the times, while still holding core principles, and you're picking and choosing and not a real X.

Seriously? At some of these protest signs.

er where's the bigotry again?

idk what to say about this one....

In regards to the second picture specifically, the ignorance is already abundant in the sign. Pro-life is simply all life is sacred - whether we need to consume another's to continue or cultivate another.

Otherwise those vegans are horrible sinners for eating raped and murdered vegetables and fruits. You know the kind I mean: serve piping hot, freshly steamed to soften them up... but I digress.

/tinfoil hat people!

bigotry is intolerance toward people who hold different beliefs than your own. look no farther than people trying to legislate their own definitions of words like marriage and murder, that's what those signs are calling bigotry.

Anyone that thinks that holding a sign is making a difference probably should reconsider their lives.

/makes a "bigots r people 2" sign with hearts and flowers and rainbows on it.

Vegans aren't people though they are hippies.


Also I love when strangers tell me what to eat.

edit: It's funny Bigots want their feelings acknowledged and respected, but can give two shits about the feelings of others.

Which poses the question: Are bigots victims of Asperger syndrome or are they sociopaths? Maybe both?

"Would you like fries with that?"

But Michelle Obama told me I can't eat french fries. So I have to listen.

I'd say it's more about spreading fascism than anything, which our government (all branches) loves to do...

no, it's just unfettered narcissism.

Can a corporation be guilty of unfettered narcissism?

why not? it's made up of individuals.

successful people can have varying levels of self-interest, but a very high level of narcissism definitely isn't a hindrance when attempting to climb a corporate ladder, no?

They call people bigots to hide the fact that people like you and all other hypocrites sat silently not giving a ***about gay marriage for the last twenty years of your life until it picked up steam a few years ago and you try to absolve yourself of your guilty past of soft bigotry. You point at the people yet to come around to your newfound crusade to act like you've been here all along.

As for intolerance, look at the horrible intolerance shown towards those that believe killing a child before it breathes on its own is wrong.

How old do you think some of the posters in the forum are?

Here's a clue for you. I'm 34. For as long as I can remember I've felt that if America is the land of the free then there shouldn't be exceptions for the allowance of discrimination. I also believe in separation of Church and State. So when it comes to Gay Marriage and Abortion the argument that it's a sin in god's eyes is moot. Since the concept of America in of itself is a sin in God's eyes according to religious dogma. So get over your righteous crusade, and join the 21st century.

Unless of course you're one of those religious zealots who masks their desires for theocratic socialism by pretending to be a patriot.

Judging by your posts, it seems to be case.

kthnxgoodbye.

I don't find abortion to be a sin, I don't think it should be used leisurely. If there are no health complications, if the woman was not raped, but they just went "Oh can't have it, not financially ok to have a baby" then tough, put the baby up for adoption and learn your lesson that it's easier and cheaper to put a condom over your man's wing wong instead of doing an abortion. I don't consider it a religious stance, I consider it a stance of ethics. You have the responsibility to have sex, have the damn kid, put it up for adoption, or better yet be responsible and then just raise the child on your own if you have a good financial ground to stand on.

Looking at so many people aborting babies because they don't want one makes me sick, yeah abortions should be allowed in the event of endangerment or rape, but if you were just irresponsible, the mother needs to bear the child and let it have a shot at life, don't just snuff it out.

Before anyone asks "But they have to pay for the delivery"

here's my rebuttle "They had to pay for a condom, oh wait more than likely they didn't use one because 'it takes all the feel out'

Go by this rule "No glove, no love"

Babies as punishment. Ethics, indeed.

You act as if changing your mind on a topic is cardinal sin. Do you really expect everyone to be uniform on a topic at any point in time? Your world really is black 'n white isn't it. We're all capable of changing and there is nothing to be ashamed of by making course corrections based on new data.

Some people are going to behind an issue at its genesis, often because they're directly impacted by it. See black people during civil rights, the first wave of gay activists or environmentalists. Others will join through being convinced that the status quo needs to be changed after reading something like Uncle Tom's Cabin, The Jungle or Silent Spring.

Others won't change until the public opinion sways in favor of the motion like politicians and sheep lack of a better term. We're all 'sheep' on one topic or another so I don't feel a way about using the term. How many people realized bigotry against black people was wrong through watching All in the Family? More than you'd think.

Others will fence sit because of personal indecision or split emotions on the issue. Many of these people are the ones that'll hold onto a Biblical passage until the bastion falls and another Biblical passage is used to create yet another bulwark.

Still more will defend the status quo till the very end because their worldview is so entwined with a certain way of life. These be the types that have spent so much time hating others that they can't see reality without a group to kick around.

Others won't change until the issue becomes personal. You know, like when your daughter is the one carrying the child of a one night stand or drops being gay on you.

For the record I didn't really start thinking much of the LBGT issue until I made friends with a gay dude who turned out to be as normal as the next geeky introvert. Cool guy, likes dudes, was my personal BLM, trusted him with my XI account (life). It was then that I realized that what I had been taught was *** and that all of this manufactured hatred was no better than any other ethnic disputes.