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The Supremes tackle birth control
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By Lakshmi.Saevel 2014-03-27 10:13:31
Oh it gets interesting. Take "*** shamming" for example. Something that the feminists and castrated white knights usually blame on men. They parade around and hold rallies about how men are judging women and blah blah. What's really interesting is that men typically hold a neutral stance on female promiscuity. Promiscuous females are actually in a males best interest as it means minimum commitment and provision for access to sex. The ones who really do the *** shamming are other women. Promiscuous women drive the price of sex down in the sexual marketplace. They are the wall-mart of the sexual economy. It's the women who judge other women based on how easy they give up sex. It's the women who reject promiscuous women from their social groups. And it's women who conduct covert rumor operations to discredit and lower a rival's social standing.
The one time that the sexual promiscuity of a women matters to men is in the artificial monogamy we've created to build society. It's a purely rational decision, a women who frequently changes lovers can't be relied upon to control her hypergamy and stay monogamous. She's perfectly fine as a friend, lover or business partner, but not as a wife. Further if she was to continue her promiscuous ways she would get pregnant with a child from a different man, it would then be the husbands responsibility to provide resources for DNA that wasn't his.
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By Fenrir.Atheryn 2014-03-27 10:13:56
Because Hobby Lobby and cabinet-maker people want to have it all. They want the legal protections of a for-profit corporation AND the religious freedoms afforded to individuals and some non-profits. They don't get both.
I'm kinda interested where this ends up... The non profit can be of any size and retain it's legal protections but the for profit looses them when it hits the magic number of 50 employees.
Theoretically, could hobby lobby simply restructure if they lose?
They'd probably need a new hobby.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-03-27 10:14:42
Actually, it's 50 full time equivalents.
You can have 75 employees, but if you have less than 49 total full time equivalents, then you are not considered a medium sized business for Obamacare.
Same rules apply to the Small Business Health Care Tax Credit, but instead of 40 hours, it's 32 hours
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By Lakshmi.Saevel 2014-03-27 10:15:42
Creaucent Alazrin said: »62% of women on a small survey isnt every woman like your pervious post says. How clueless.
And btw, your "character" has absolutely ZERO to do with her sexual attraction to you.
Wasnt talking about the character of the Male.
Then your even more clueless.
Women's sexual preference doesn't vary much. There is no character. The primal biological attraction is exactly the same in all of them.
Why do you think 50 shades of grey has such high sales numbers, almost all entirely women? It's a crappy book with no real story other then a girl being completely dominated and mastered by a male of ridiculously high status. It's every women's secret wet dream, well that and rape.
Now quick employ shaming tactics.
Reread it very carefully.
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2014-03-27 10:15:52
I think alot of Female players who read this thread know this, and I'm sorry guys, but unless you ever tried to pee out a kidney stone down your weewee you have no idea how much it can hurt the first few times or hell your entire life, I remember my first 2 times where 6months apart and i couldn't crawl out of my own bed for the life of me so i had to skip school till it was over, even when you take birth control girls/woman who have heavy problems without tend to still have months where it hurts alot...(but god i remember it was a heavenly feeling when i started taking them, helped alot).
and hell why not make it free >_> my healthcare system pays mine back fully too and i'm sure there are other country's that have that system... . (sorry for typo's crappy internet and small phone.)
thanks for the imagery... and I have pushed five kidney stones out of my wee hole, thanks for reminding me..... /smells the but coming (phrasing)
BUT this case isn't about regular birth control pills....
thank you for playing we have a lovely consolation prize for you... we hid it in your pocket.
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2014-03-27 10:16:02
Do you know why they call it fantasy and not reality? Ask the same women if they want to actually be raped or the ones that have been if they thought it was a great romp. The reality of the situation is far different from a fantasy...
You bring up BDSM but it isn't catered to male dominance... There are men out there looking for a heel in their back and a whip put to them so I guess they want to experience being dominated too?
To me you just seem to be stuck in a time that's no longer here where women "knew their place" and did what they were told... none of this man stuff!
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-03-27 10:18:46
You know what this thread needs?
A Hitler reference.
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By Lakshmi.Saevel 2014-03-27 10:25:16
All I'm going to say (and I know that I've said this umpteen times now) is that there are non-contraceptive purposes for birth control.
Regulation of irregular/heavy menstruation. (Anemia falls in there!)
Endometriosis.
Ovarian cancer/cysts and uterine cancer.
/shakes head disapprovingly
thread should have ended there :x
I think alot of Female players who read this thread know this, and I'm sorry guys, but unless you ever tried to pee out a kidney stone down your weewee you have no idea how much it can hurt the first few times or hell your entire life, I remember my first 2 times where 6months apart and i couldn't crawl out of my own bed for the life of me so i had to skip school till it was over, even when you take birth control girls/woman who have heavy problems without tend to still have months where it hurts alot...(but god i remember it was a heavenly feeling when i started taking them, helped alot).
and hell why not make it free >_> my healthcare system pays mine back fully too and i'm sure there are other country's that have that system... . (sorry for typo's crappy internet and small phone.)
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I can't believe you actually think something is free. Nothing is ever free. Everything has a cost, the only question is who's paying it. You just stated that you expect me to pay for your medication, and didn't even have the courteously to ask. Instead you want a third party to forcibly take the money from me, at gun point.
And btw folks, take note this is classic emotional manipulation at work. Open with sort of strife or tale of suffering, preferably about women and children. Then go into a way that someone can "make it better", and finally cinch it with a "just join me" phrase.
#1: I had this horribly medical condition that caused me lots of pain. This is pain that others suffer.
#2: Taking this item removed my pain and it can remove others too
#3: Thus wonder thing should be made freely available to all to remove their pain
You can convince people to do truly atrocious things by following that pattern.
I'm not picking on you, just used that as a demonstration of simple emotional manipulation that happens a lot.
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By Bahamut.Aelissa 2014-03-27 10:26:10
I think alot of Female players who read this thread know this, and I'm sorry guys, but unless you ever tried to pee out a kidney stone down your weewee you have no idea how much it can hurt the first few times or hell your entire life, I remember my first 2 times where 6months apart and i couldn't crawl out of my own bed for the life of me so i had to skip school till it was over, even when you take birth control girls/woman who have heavy problems without tend to still have months where it hurts alot...(but god i remember it was a heavenly feeling when i started taking them, helped alot).
and hell why not make it free >_> my healthcare system pays mine back fully too and i'm sure there are other country's that have that system... . (sorry for typo's crappy internet and small phone.)
thanks for the imagery... and I have pushed five kidney stones out of my wee hole, thanks for reminding me..... /smells the but coming (phrasing)
BUT this case isn't about regular birth control pills....
thank you for playing we have a lovely consolation prize for you... we hid it in your pocket.
T3T my skirt has no pockets *cry*
And you can't blaim a girl for saying her 2 cents :3 (I never understand america and their "founding fathers/religious" stuff (but i guess it's just me being a simple farm girl from belgium XD)
now if you excuse me :D my kitchen is calling~~ (BF home in 20min.)
:( can i still have my price though... *opens up a baggie*
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Lakshmi.Saevel
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By Lakshmi.Saevel 2014-03-27 10:26:35
You know what this thread needs?
A Hitler reference.
I'm surprised they haven't tried to shame me with that yet. Wouldn't work, but I'd at least expect them to give it an old school effort. Proper form and all.
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By Valefor.Endoq 2014-03-27 10:28:50
You know what this thread needs?
A Hitler reference. Hitler led the first public anti-smoking campaign in modern history.
Don't be a Hitler, smoke some cigs.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2014-03-27 10:38:01
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And yes it's definitely wealth transfer. Your taking money from a healthy male and using that money to provide a benefit that is solely available to a female.... Two words. Penis pumps.
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By Fenrir.Atheryn 2014-03-27 10:42:07
The 1936 Summer Olympics were held in Berlin, and were opened by Adolf Hitler in the worlds first television broadcast (I know this for a fact, I saw it in "Contact"). Hitler then went on to start WW2.
Russia just hosted the 2014 Winter Olympics, and then Putin invaded Crimea, and looks to be preparing for all out war with the west.
Conclusion - they need to ban the freaking Olympics.
By fonewear 2014-03-27 10:42:15
Are we overdue for a Lifetime movie reference ?
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2014-03-27 10:44:33
I never understand america and their "founding fathers/religious" stuff
well that's simple. america was founded by two very different and distinct groups, religious wackos and prisoners.
and as soon as we got here, we started fighting... yadda yadda yadda.
which brings us to now.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2014-03-27 10:45:55
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Why do you think 50 shades of grey has such high sales numbers, almost all entirely women? It's a crappy book with no real story other then a girl being completely dominated and mastered by a male of ridiculously high status. It's every women's secret wet dream, well that and rape.... I could introduce you to a couple of professional dominatrices. I suspect you might even learn something....
By fonewear 2014-03-27 10:46:29
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I dare you to watch the whole thing. Double dog dare.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2014-03-27 10:49:26
.... Heck they got an entire sexual culture around dominance and rape fantasies known as BDSM.... Actually rape fantasies are a small part of the BDSM scene. Having sewn kinkwear for decades I just might know a bit about the culture.
By fonewear 2014-03-27 10:50:42
None of my fantasies involve birth control !
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By Garuda.Chanti 2014-03-27 10:51:44
Fantasies are clearly anti women also. Everything is anti-women anyway.
Even women. Have you ever been to a shoe sale before? One of your best comments to date King.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2014-03-27 10:52:47
Abortion isn't murder, no matter how many times you say it Nausi.
Nobody is infringing upon the rights of those who run the corporation, seriously: nobody.
Stop trying to save your bad argument by trying to change the definition of "pro-life."
That's the thing about living in society, if you don't want to live in society, then by all means find an island somewhere and have at it. Jet, if you're going to be pro-choice, at least grow the balls to claim responsibility for what you want.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2014-03-27 10:54:14
The 1936 Summer Olympics were held in Berlin, and were opened by Adolf Hitler in the worlds first television broadcast (I know this for a fact, I saw it in "Contact"). Hitler then went on to start WW2.
Russia just hosted the 2014 Winter Olympics, and then Putin invaded Crimea, and looks to be preparing for all out war with the west.
Conclusion - they need to ban the freaking Olympics.
Just no. All out war? What planet are you on. Putin has no allies and has completely *** himself over to score some nationalist points back home. I guess I'm just missing the allies lining up to back Putin in "all out war". Putin is no Hitler and 2014 is no 1936.
I'm cancelling the apocalypse.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2014-03-27 10:56:30
INTERESTING sideline on the topic.
Remember the topic anyone?
How A Pot-Worshipping Church Could Play Into The Hobby Lobby Case
Quote: The church in question, THC Ministry, wasn't your average place of worship. It was, the feds alleged, a front organization that tried a creative method for possessing and distributing marijuana while avoiding prosecution on religious grounds.
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2014-03-27 11:03:29
Having sewn kinkwear for decades I just might know a bit about the culture.
the neighborhood children never recovered from their visit to grandma chanti's house and witnessed her sitting in her rocking chair stitching up a gimp suit surrounded by adult paraphernalia...
todd still chews idly on a ball of twine... his white hair glows in the moon light.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2014-03-27 11:05:26
All I'm going to say (and I know that I've said this umpteen times now) is that there are non-contraceptive purposes for birth control.
Regulation of irregular/heavy menstruation. (Anemia falls in there!)
Endometriosis.
Ovarian cancer/cysts and uterine cancer.
/shakes head disapprovingly
thread should have ended there :x
I think alot of Female players who read this thread know this, and I'm sorry guys, but unless you ever tried to pee out a kidney stone down your weewee you have no idea how much it can hurt the first few times or hell your entire life, I remember my first 2 times where 6months apart and i couldn't crawl out of my own bed for the life of me so i had to skip school till it was over, even when you take birth control girls/woman who have heavy problems without tend to still have months where it hurts alot...(but god i remember it was a heavenly feeling when i started taking them, helped alot).
and hell why not make it free >_> my healthcare system pays mine back fully too and i'm sure there are other country's that have that system... . (sorry for typo's crappy internet and small phone.)
And we have another who doesn't understand the premise of the court case. Birth control isn't on trial here, emergency (abortive) contraception is, these are methods that "unfire" the gun, not disable the trigger.
Hobby Lobby will willfully buy a policy that cover 16 of the 20 (21?) contraceptive methods listed in the legislation. Just not the ones that are emergency in nature.
If that's your opinion, you're not arguing with anyone...
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2014-03-27 11:14:56
No. It's a case about the definition of corporate personhood.
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By Shiva.Onorgul 2014-03-27 11:16:58
Hobby Lobby will willfully buy a policy that cover 16 of the 20 (21?) contraceptive methods listed in the legislation. Just not the ones that are emergency in nature. This is where I always hit a stumbling block with this whole thing.
I get the idea of being opposed to birth control in any and all forms. I get the idea of being opposed to abortion. What I don't get is this in-between position that Hobby Lobby and several others have taken up. For one, it is contrary to Christian doctrine, especially Roman Catholic canon. If it is patently against doctrine to support some forms of birth control, why the specificity? It seems like a half-assed attempt to oppose abortion, but science doesn't back it up. Emergency contraception actually does prevent conception. Sperm and ovum don't collide immediately at ejaculation.
I don't find it very compelling that this is an argument against abortion, above and beyond the basic misunderstanding of what is going on. I can't even be convinced that it is some kind of cost-saving measure as it just doesn't cost that much, especially when spread across thousands of companies and millions of insured people. The spineless anti-women arguments presented in defense of this nonsense seem to disregard that the individual cost to a given man is infinitesimal (to say nothing of being considerably cheaper than the costs associated with pregnancy which are unequivocally covered by insurance).
What the *** point is this stupid argument trying to make? I'm sure that there are some deluded idiots, like the talking heads at Hobby Lobby, who imagine they really are fighting abortion, but it's certain that if they really believe that, it's because they're being manipulated by someone else with a different axe to grind. The most likely culprit is trying to get around government regulation and, therefore, being able to do whatever one wants.
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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2014-03-27 11:18:34
Creaucent Alazrin said: »62% of women on a small survey isnt every woman like your pervious post says. How clueless.
And btw, your "character" has absolutely ZERO to do with her sexual attraction to you.
Wasnt talking about the character of the Male.
Then your even more clueless.
Women's sexual preference doesn't vary much. There is no character. The primal biological attraction is exactly the same in all of them.
Why do you think 50 shades of grey has such high sales numbers, almost all entirely women? It's a crappy book with no real story other then a girl being completely dominated and mastered by a male of ridiculously high status. It's every women's secret wet dream, well that and rape.
Now quick employ shaming tactics.
Reread it very carefully.
I think everyone did, you sound pretty secure with your insecurities.
You're saying all women are ***, they can't stay faithful, they lack will power and character. Reading between the lines you're admitting you're insecure, lack confidence, have a small *** and woman constantly cheat on you.
Reread it very carefully.
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2014-03-27 11:39:27
TOPICALLY RELEVANT POST INCOMING
But the entire point of incorporation is to create an entity that is wholly separate from the individuals. How is the infusion of religion into a for-profit corporation's identity necessary to its ability to obtain profits? Hobby Lobby and that other one are peddling craft materials and cabinets and not anything that could be construed as inherently religious. I get the concept of corporate personhood endowing some rights, but does it actually need a religion?
The people suing the government seem to want all the benefits of incorporation plus all the benefits afforded to individuals. How can that be seen as a good thing?
The infusion for religion isn't necessary for a corporation to achieve profits, but the people of the corporation have the right to live and run it under free exercise of their religion (1st ammendment yo).
Don't you realize that you're advocating for an entirely new class of citizen. We recognize everyone's fundamental/natural rights to X-Y-Z unless you start a corporation then you don't get those rights. The worker has a right to X but the company doesn't. You probably just hate corporations based on some bad experience and want the government to come in and strip them of all their wealth. Do you have any inkling as to why exactly that is (that is, why corporations are legally distinct from its owners) or are you just kneejerking to a perceived attack on religion?
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By fonewear 2014-03-27 11:54:02
Another reason for birth control:
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Court majority harshly critical of Obamacare contraception mandate - CNN
Quote: The court is reviewing provisions of the Affordable Care Act requiring for-profit employers of a certain size to offer insurance benefits for birth control and other reproductive health services without a co-pay.
At issue is whether certain companies can refuse to do so on the sincere claim it would violate their owners' long-established personal beliefs. The problem as I see it. like many religious beliefs this one is something demonstrably false. They believe the IUD and morning after pills are abortifacants. They are not. But it IS a sincere religious belief.
For balance....
Barbara Boxer: Why no Viagra complaints? - Politico
Quote: “I have never heard Hobby Lobby or any other corporation, I could be wrong, or any other boss complain that Viagra is covered in many insurance plans, practically all of them, or other kinds of things, you know, for men, which I won’t go into Like penis pumps?
Samantha Bee Finds Out Medicare Funds Penis Pumps - Huffington Post.
Quote: As NARAL president Ilyse Hogue explained to Bee during the segment, Medicare has spent $172 million on penis pumps over the last five years, and no one seems to have a problem with that.
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