Final Fantasy Type-0 Fan Translation Project

haha i should grow up for considering pirating the only means of profit for a companies work stealing? So if you build sheds for a living its ok to steal a shed from you?

If you can clone a shed I make without depriving me of the original, clone all the damn sheds you want.

But your comparison is not the same with our current restraints on reality and our physical dimensions/technology.

Copying data isn't stealing, you're not depriving anyone of anything.

I'm telling you to grow up because you have an elementary idea of numerous things, and like to insult people on the internet for no reason other than to sound "cool" and have a misplaced sense of superiority.

Your example is that of stealing profit from a company that is not selling the product you're supposedly stealing. It would be like stealing candy from Toyota, dude.

I could get into the fact that I could hash a file and recompile the file entirely based on it's hash, without ever doing anything else, but such a concept would be lost on somebody who doesn't understand such simple constructs as copying a file doesn't make the original vanish.

If the game is good I'll buy it, but these *** haven't released a translated version yet so I can't and I'd honestly rather play it without ***voices in a dub. JRPG dubs are terrible.

It would be like bitching at Drac for downloading shows he can't watch by any other means in his country.

If you want to reduce piracy: then make your products cheaper and available for everyone to have easy access to. People will get products the easiest way they can the majority of the time.

But to be blunt: you can stop piracy about as well as you can stop people from drinking alcohol.

edit:(If I posted this a few seconds earlier, I'd have thought I'd summoned him...)

Look hippy... with this specific scenario aside, that being type-o. what you are doing when you pirate a game is stealing a product that was designed and created by a team of people payed for by a company in a building that consumes resources in which case they NEED to sell their product you clown...

You can't have a debate without calling people names? You're not very mature are you?

Lol, me a hippy... that's rich.

to steal you must deprive somebody of something, that deprivation isn't taking place, ergo the act of stealing hasn't taken place.

Learn Engrish.

You're the only clown here, Vegeta.

edit: I don't care how the product came into existence, I'm not depriving anyone of that product by copying it, so I'll copy it as I please.

That's why he was told to grow up.

I steal meatballs at Ikea.

Oooh, I need to go back to Ikea, I'll spare my gut of the meatballs though.

Your depriving a company which is a collection of people, not just one person, of their income for their product which is very real whether physical or not. your clearly the thick head child here..

Also your wrong. here you go english major.


steal
[steel] Show IPA
verb (used with object), stole, sto·len, steal·ing.
1.
to take (the property of another or others) without permission or right, especially secretly or by force: A pickpocket stole his watch.

You're the thick headed person:

If the company wasn't going to make the money anyway, I'm not depriving them of anything.

You don't understand this simple concept:

me copying data is not stealing.

again: stop trying to push your twisted morals unto others by starting pointless internet fights, and throwing childish insults because you're too underdeveloped to understand simple constructs of a computer.

Oh just an fyi, from numerous English Majors I know: trying to win an argument by a single dictionary definition isn't a stable argument.

The meaning of words change, and it takes time. Laws also change, and it also takes time.

We as a society definitely haven't caught up to the digital age, and it's only a matter of time until it takes completely over, and the antiquated idea of copyright infringement is defeated.

Yet people still cling to it as they fail to advance and figure out how to make money without ripping people off by destroying and limiting IP's.

again: grow up.

edit: wait no, you're seriously arguing that "lost sales" is theft? seriously? do you have any idea how HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE that statement is?

I know politicians and corporate lobbyists use it all the time, but do you have any idea how ridiculous that assertion is?

More ridiculous than putting nips on batman.

SE already got the profits from Type-0. There are no plans to release it over here in the states or anywhere else.

Legally speaking, it is stealing/piracy, however, in this case, there is no damage inflicted to the company as they are not selling that product. If you want to preach moral highground, be my guest, but you're implying that they are hurting SE's ability to turn a profit on something they aren't selling.

How dare you

First thing he said was PIRACY is not stealing. thats what i went on about. You basically have confirmed him wrong as well and thank you. If you look back i said with this case aside, that being type-o. i'm half and half on the project but I dont know how old this game is tbh.

Stealing (and taking) implies the addition to one side AND the subtraction from another. If she has 3 eggs and I take 1, now I have 1 egg and she has 2. "Stealing" is the same as "taking" in this manor but with the lack of permission. So not really applicable to this, which I guess you could call, copying without permission. (She has 1, I have 0. Now she has 1 and I have 1)

And if it matters, I'm an English Education major... :D

Piracy isn't stealing, can't help that the term hasn't caught up with the times.

It doesn't fit the use of the phrase, as again: it's not depriving anyone of anything, including groups.

edit: I've never argued against how the laws define it, as I don't really care how the law defines it, law is not where I derive morals from, nor respect when corporate lobbyists and corrupt politicians write said laws.

(I'm looking at you co-sponsor of SOPA, Bob Goodlatte)!

Why the hell would you be against the project!

It's not easter yet, come back next month Jeezus.

In order for them to win a lawsuit, they have to prove damages, there aren't any.

Now if one wants to argue that copying and then claiming the work as yours, or trying to profit from it at that point, then yes you can argue that.

But for personal use, non-profit use, it can't be classified as stealing.

Yeah, but most wimp out under a simple C&D letter even if under the law it's allowable.

Nobody wants to fight in court against corporate lawyers.

It's amusing how he turns this around from his general morality on stealing. I love people

I hate them, and that's why I steal from them.

I'm not turning anything around, I was arguing from a moral standpoint from the beginning.

So were you, going off with your "loser" crack right from the get-go @Seha.

yeah for the general all around attitude like this...

I'm making fun of this as I already gave you my reply: eat me. Cause I'm indifferent to your morals and care even less for your almighty judgment.

i believe i ate you whole alrdy