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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2014-02-26 16:29:05
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*** freedom. I just picked up my SNAP checks (which are still moist with the sweat of the middle-class working man) so it's time to go get me some lobster and chardonnay.
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By Altimaomega 2014-02-26 16:32:04
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Cerberus.Pleebo said: »
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how does auto insurance compare to health insurance?

Last I checked my health affected absolutely nobody but me.
I've never heard of a drunk person crashing into another drunk person, IN a bar and they had to exchange health insurance information because they both went to the hospital for stitches.

That sounds stupid as hell, and it is. So is the argument "well you have to have auto ins." If you wanna get THAT technical. "I do not HAVE to drive"
Hmm, I think I found the problem here.

You don't see any benefit to a society with easier access to healthcare? It would be easier if every man were an island and his poor decisions only affected himself, but that is not the case.

Aside from that, it's just the *** decent thing to do.

Ahhh, So that's what this is about.

People want to not be held responsible and have someone else pay for everything. Heaven forbid a person be held accountable!

Obamacare does not make easier to access healthcare and it sure as hell don't make it more affordable! Why should I live a healthy life and have to pay for someone who decided to OD, abort a child, I could go on forever but ima stop right there.
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By Bismarck.Ihina 2014-02-26 16:32:46
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Bismarck.Killamexe said: »
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He's trying to say that if you drive a car, you need auto insurance.

Another socialist lie

idk where you live but in MD if you have a registered vehicle that has tags on it (which correct me if I'm wrong but all cars on the road need to be tagged by some state or you cant be on the road "anywhere" and there is a "fine/penalty" for doing so, I am fully aware that there are exceptions like work trucks on a farm, but it seems to me that the argument that you are making is more of a general one) and it is not insured the "penalty" is 2x what my insurance is.

Can you drive a car without it? Sure. Does it make sense to? I suppose that depends on the "penalty" vs cost of insurance.

Again this is only for MD. Id like to know if there is a state that does not fine you for having a registered and tagged vehicle that is not insured.

Not trying to say that im all about having insurance or agree with it at all but if they are going to fine you and the cost is less than the fine, id call that a "need".

I saw a documentary once where a man was told he couldn't drive without his license. He tried anyways, turned the key and the car started.

I think everyone was surprised by that.
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By Bahamut.Milamber 2014-02-26 16:37:23
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Altimaomega said: »
Last I checked my health affected absolutely nobody but me.

So your health has no impact to your family or your friends? No impact to any children you have?

If you are sick with the flu, and head into work, you think that doesn't impact anyone else?

You don't think that having vaccinations (or not having them), affects the overall general health of a population?

You don't think that universal access to healthcare improves the overall level of health of that society?
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By Bahamut.Milamber 2014-02-26 16:39:43
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Altimaomega said: »
Cerberus.Pleebo said: »
Altimaomega said: »
how does auto insurance compare to health insurance?

Last I checked my health affected absolutely nobody but me.
I've never heard of a drunk person crashing into another drunk person, IN a bar and they had to exchange health insurance information because they both went to the hospital for stitches.

That sounds stupid as hell, and it is. So is the argument "well you have to have auto ins." If you wanna get THAT technical. "I do not HAVE to drive"
Hmm, I think I found the problem here.

You don't see any benefit to a society with easier access to healthcare? It would be easier if every man were an island and his poor decisions only affected himself, but that is not the case.

Aside from that, it's just the *** decent thing to do.

Ahhh, So that's what this is about.

People want to not be held responsible and have someone else pay for everything. Heaven forbid a person be held accountable!

Obamacare does not make easier to access healthcare and it sure as hell don't make it more affordable! Why should I live a healthy life and have to pay for someone who decided to OD, abort a child, I could go on forever but ima stop right there.

Why the hell did I pay for your education?
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By Bismarck.Killamexe 2014-02-26 16:40:13
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Bismarck.Ihina said: »
Bismarck.Killamexe said: »
Bismarck.Ihina said: »
He's trying to say that if you drive a car, you need auto insurance.

Another socialist lie

idk where you live but in MD if you have a registered vehicle that has tags on it (which correct me if I'm wrong but all cars on the road need to be tagged by some state or you cant be on the road "anywhere" and there is a "fine/penalty" for doing so, I am fully aware that there are exceptions like work trucks on a farm, but it seems to me that the argument that you are making is more of a general one) and it is not insured the "penalty" is 2x what my insurance is.

Can you drive a car without it? Sure. Does it make sense to? I suppose that depends on the "penalty" vs cost of insurance.

Again this is only for MD. Id like to know if there is a state that does not fine you for having a registered and tagged vehicle that is not insured.

Not trying to say that im all about having insurance or agree with it at all but if they are going to fine you and the cost is less than the fine, id call that a "need".

I saw a documentary once where a man was told he couldn't drive without his license. He tried anyways, turned the key and the car started.

I think everyone was surprised by that.

I suppose if you want to talk about the physical ability sure, other than that I really struggle to understand what you were trying to say.
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By Jetackuu 2014-02-26 16:41:21
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Altimaomega said: »
http://conventionofstates.com/

http://www.capitalisminstitute.org/media-ignoring-nullification/

Kinda odd that the states are unprecedentedly standing up against such a wonderful president that only wants to help with his executive powers and pen.

The states don't have power against Federal laws, Federal law will always trump states' rights, we've proven that, and it's sad that we're wasting time with the nonsense again.

There was no "power grab" short of when the area was added to the U.S. it became one of many.

There's a thing called the supremacy clause, you should read up on it.
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By Bismarck.Ihina 2014-02-26 16:41:55
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Bahamut.Milamber said: »
Altimaomega said: »
Last I checked my health affected absolutely nobody but me.

So your health has no impact to your family or your friends? No impact to any children you have?

If you are sick with the flu, and head into work, you think that doesn't impact anyone else?

You don't think that having vaccinations (or not having them), affects the overall general health of a population?

You don't think that universal access to healthcare improves the overall level of health of that society?

Maybe if heathens prayed more, you could control germs like I can.
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By Altimaomega 2014-02-26 16:43:58
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Bahamut.Milamber said: »
Altimaomega said: »
Last I checked my health affected absolutely nobody but me.

So your health has no impact to your family or your friends? No impact to any children you have?

If you are sick with the flu, and head into work, you think that doesn't impact anyone else?

You don't think that having vaccinations (or not having them), affects the overall general health of a population?

You don't think that universal access to healthcare improves the overall level of health of that society?

I pay CASH for myself and my family, its amazingly affordable when you cut out the Middle men.

Edit: yea now the ACA is gonna fine me for NOT PAYING MORE rofl...
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-02-26 16:44:06
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Bahamut.Milamber said: »
Why the hell did I pay for your education?
Hey, that's my question for you!
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By Altimaomega 2014-02-26 16:46:31
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Bahamut.Milamber said: »
Altimaomega said: »
Cerberus.Pleebo said: »
Altimaomega said: »
how does auto insurance compare to health insurance?

Last I checked my health affected absolutely nobody but me.
I've never heard of a drunk person crashing into another drunk person, IN a bar and they had to exchange health insurance information because they both went to the hospital for stitches.

That sounds stupid as hell, and it is. So is the argument "well you have to have auto ins." If you wanna get THAT technical. "I do not HAVE to drive"
Hmm, I think I found the problem here.

You don't see any benefit to a society with easier access to healthcare? It would be easier if every man were an island and his poor decisions only affected himself, but that is not the case.

Aside from that, it's just the *** decent thing to do.

Ahhh, So that's what this is about.

People want to not be held responsible and have someone else pay for everything. Heaven forbid a person be held accountable!

Obamacare does not make easier to access healthcare and it sure as hell don't make it more affordable! Why should I live a healthy life and have to pay for someone who decided to OD, abort a child, I could go on forever but ima stop right there.

Why the hell did I pay for your education?


All you gotta do now is call me racist and we can wrap this up.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-02-26 16:46:39
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Altimaomega said: »
Bahamut.Milamber said: »
Altimaomega said: »
Last I checked my health affected absolutely nobody but me.

So your health has no impact to your family or your friends? No impact to any children you have?

If you are sick with the flu, and head into work, you think that doesn't impact anyone else?

You don't think that having vaccinations (or not having them), affects the overall general health of a population?

You don't think that universal access to healthcare improves the overall level of health of that society?

I pay CASH for myself and my family, its amazingly affordable when you cut out the Middle men.
Surprisingly enough, there is a growing trend with doctors who do not take insurance or Medicare now, and accept Cash/Checks only. Their services are actually cheaper that way, since they do not have to pay 10 administration staff and a monthly fee to support insurance.

So of course this is a bad thing to liberal's mind. Pretty soon, before Obama leaves office, there will be a doctor mandate to support insurance or his whole system goes crashing down. All in the name of supporting those who refuse to take care of themselves.
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By Altimaomega 2014-02-26 16:49:41
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Jetackuu said: »
Altimaomega said: »
http://conventionofstates.com/

http://www.capitalisminstitute.org/media-ignoring-nullification/

Kinda odd that the states are unprecedentedly standing up against such a wonderful president that only wants to help with his executive powers and pen.

The states don't have power against Federal laws, Federal law will always trump states' rights, we've proven that, and it's sad that we're wasting time with the nonsense again.

There was no "power grab" short of when the area was added to the U.S. it became one of many.

There's a thing called the supremacy clause, you should read up on it.

If the Convention happens and the majority vote is meet they can do pretty much anything they want. More people will stand with the states than our current federal government.
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By Altimaomega 2014-02-26 16:55:25
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Altimaomega said: »
Bahamut.Milamber said: »
Altimaomega said: »
Last I checked my health affected absolutely nobody but me.

So your health has no impact to your family or your friends? No impact to any children you have?

If you are sick with the flu, and head into work, you think that doesn't impact anyone else?

You don't think that having vaccinations (or not having them), affects the overall general health of a population?

You don't think that universal access to healthcare improves the overall level of health of that society?

I pay CASH for myself and my family, its amazingly affordable when you cut out the Middle men.
Surprisingly enough, there is a growing trend with doctors who do not take insurance or Medicare now, and accept Cash/Checks only. Their services are actually cheaper that way, since they do not have to pay 10 administration staff and a monthly fee to support insurance.

So of course this is a bad thing to liberal's mind. Pretty soon, before Obama leaves office, there will be a doctor mandate to support insurance or his whole system goes crashing down. All in the name of supporting those who refuse to take care of themselves.

Cali. has the most doctors refusing the ACA. Its incredible one of the biggest blue states openly defies this law that they basically voted for, and Obama is still forcing it upon the people.
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By Bismarck.Ihina 2014-02-26 16:56:03
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This country is 80% conservative but ACORN stole the election for Obama.
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By Jetackuu 2014-02-26 16:57:54
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Altimaomega said: »
Jetackuu said: »
Altimaomega said: »
http://conventionofstates.com/

http://www.capitalisminstitute.org/media-ignoring-nullification/

Kinda odd that the states are unprecedentedly standing up against such a wonderful president that only wants to help with his executive powers and pen.

The states don't have power against Federal laws, Federal law will always trump states' rights, we've proven that, and it's sad that we're wasting time with the nonsense again.

There was no "power grab" short of when the area was added to the U.S. it became one of many.

There's a thing called the supremacy clause, you should read up on it.

If the Convention happens and the majority vote is meet they can do pretty much anything they want. More people will stand with the states than our current federal government.

You're delusional, and not they can't.

It would be considered treason, and they'd be executed.
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2014-02-26 16:59:53
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You're sorely misinformed if you don't think you're already paying for people's irresponsibility as far as medical expenses are concerned (and you're an idiot if you think you pay for abortions). The practical thing to do is to not ignore that and look for ways to lessen that cost.

Altimaomega said: »
Why should I live a healthy life and have to pay for someone who decided to OD, abort a child, I could go on forever but ima stop right there.
Does getting cancer or getting into an accident count or are you immune to those somehow? Go ahead and pay for those with cash.
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By Altimaomega 2014-02-26 16:59:59
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Jetackuu said: »
Altimaomega said: »
Jetackuu said: »
Altimaomega said: »
http://conventionofstates.com/

http://www.capitalisminstitute.org/media-ignoring-nullification/

Kinda odd that the states are unprecedentedly standing up against such a wonderful president that only wants to help with his executive powers and pen.

The states don't have power against Federal laws, Federal law will always trump states' rights, we've proven that, and it's sad that we're wasting time with the nonsense again.

There was no "power grab" short of when the area was added to the U.S. it became one of many.

There's a thing called the supremacy clause, you should read up on it.

If the Convention happens and the majority vote is meet they can do pretty much anything they want. More people will stand with the states than our current federal government.

You're delusional, and not they can't.

It would be considered treason, and they'd be executed.

The colonies rebelling against the crown was considered treason, look what that got us.
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By Altimaomega 2014-02-26 17:05:55
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You're sorely misinformed if you don't think you're already paying for people's irresponsibility as far as medical expenses are concerned (and you're an idiot if you think you pay for abortions). The practical thing to do is to not ignore that and look for ways to lessen that cost.

Altimaomega said: »
Why should I live a healthy life and have to pay for someone who decided to OD, abort a child, I could go on forever but ima stop right there.
Does getting cancer or getting into an accident count or are you immune to those somehow? Go ahead and pay for those with cash.


I never said not to look for ways to lessen the cost, that is the very first thing they should have done. But people like you were in control of all three branch's and wanted to flex your muscles.

As for getting cancer.. I USED to have a HIGH Deduc. low monthly plan that cost a whole $67 for my family. "Incase you missed it the ACA made that ILLEGAL" And as for an accident, what kind of accident are you thinking of?

Edit: You have read the ACA right? You know whats going on in the courts right now right? Last I checked You will be paying for abortions...
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-02-26 17:06:17
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Altimaomega said: »
Jetackuu said: »
Altimaomega said: »
Jetackuu said: »
Altimaomega said: »
http://conventionofstates.com/

http://www.capitalisminstitute.org/media-ignoring-nullification/

Kinda odd that the states are unprecedentedly standing up against such a wonderful president that only wants to help with his executive powers and pen.

The states don't have power against Federal laws, Federal law will always trump states' rights, we've proven that, and it's sad that we're wasting time with the nonsense again.

There was no "power grab" short of when the area was added to the U.S. it became one of many.

There's a thing called the supremacy clause, you should read up on it.

If the Convention happens and the majority vote is meet they can do pretty much anything they want. More people will stand with the states than our current federal government.

You're delusional, and not they can't.

It would be considered treason, and they'd be executed.

The colonies rebelling against the crown was considered treason, look what that got us.
Don't forget, Jet loves Obama and he will do anything to protect him and his name.

If a civil war breaks loose, I call dibs on Jet and Jassik! Maybe Vic too if nobody wants him.
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By Bismarck.Ihina 2014-02-26 17:10:09
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I love Obama too. All hail Obama. All hail the NSAmazing. I would never say anything negative about them.
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2014-02-26 17:11:04
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Jetackuu said: »
Altimaomega said: »
Jetackuu said: »
Altimaomega said: »
http://conventionofstates.com/

http://www.capitalisminstitute.org/media-ignoring-nullification/

Kinda odd that the states are unprecedentedly standing up against such a wonderful president that only wants to help with his executive powers and pen.

The states don't have power against Federal laws, Federal law will always trump states' rights, we've proven that, and it's sad that we're wasting time with the nonsense again.

There was no "power grab" short of when the area was added to the U.S. it became one of many.

There's a thing called the supremacy clause, you should read up on it.

If the Convention happens and the majority vote is meet they can do pretty much anything they want. More people will stand with the states than our current federal government.

You're delusional, and not they can't.

It would be considered treason, and they'd be executed.

Thats a bit extreme, but he is delusional and uninformed.
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By Bahamut.Milamber 2014-02-26 17:11:06
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Altimaomega said: »
Bahamut.Milamber said: »
Altimaomega said: »
Ahhh, So that's what this is about.

People want to not be held responsible and have someone else pay for everything. Heaven forbid a person be held accountable!

Obamacare does not make easier to access healthcare and it sure as hell don't make it more affordable! Why should I live a healthy life and have to pay for someone who decided to OD, abort a child, I could go on forever but ima stop right there.
Why the hell did I pay for your education?
All you gotta do now is call me racist and we can wrap this up.
You've either had a private or public education, or some combination of both.
How is providing healthcare for all fundamentally any different from providing education for all?
Why should I pay for educating someone, when they are going to decide to OD and die before joining the workforce?
Why should I pay for educating someone, when they are going to drop out of high school/not complete their education?
Why should I pay for educating someone, who consistently earns marginal grades?

It may be because the society at large benefits greatly from such a policy in the long term, even though there may be little to no short-term benefits. The concept is often described as enlightened self-intrest.
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By Altimaomega 2014-02-26 17:17:29
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Bahamut.Milamber said: »
Altimaomega said: »
Bahamut.Milamber said: »
Altimaomega said: »
Ahhh, So that's what this is about.

People want to not be held responsible and have someone else pay for everything. Heaven forbid a person be held accountable!

Obamacare does not make easier to access healthcare and it sure as hell don't make it more affordable! Why should I live a healthy life and have to pay for someone who decided to OD, abort a child, I could go on forever but ima stop right there.
Why the hell did I pay for your education?
All you gotta do now is call me racist and we can wrap this up.
You've either had a private or public education, or some combination of both.
How is providing healthcare for all fundamentally any different from providing education for all?
Why should I pay for educating someone, when they are going to decide to OD and die before joining the workforce?
Why should I pay for educating someone, when they are going to drop out of high school/not complete their education?
Why should I pay for educating someone, who consistently earns marginal grades?

It may be because the society at large benefits greatly from such a policy in the long term, even though there may be little to no short-term benefits. The concept is often described as enlightened self-intrest.
Bahamut.Milamber said: »
Altimaomega said: »
Bahamut.Milamber said: »
Altimaomega said: »
Ahhh, So that's what this is about.

People want to not be held responsible and have someone else pay for everything. Heaven forbid a person be held accountable!

Obamacare does not make easier to access healthcare and it sure as hell don't make it more affordable! Why should I live a healthy life and have to pay for someone who decided to OD, abort a child, I could go on forever but ima stop right there.
Why the hell did I pay for your education?
All you gotta do now is call me racist and we can wrap this up.
You've either had a private or public education, or some combination of both.
How is providing healthcare for all fundamentally any different from providing education for all?
Why should I pay for educating someone, when they are going to decide to OD and die before joining the workforce?
Why should I pay for educating someone, when they are going to drop out of high school/not complete their education?
Why should I pay for educating someone, who consistently earns marginal grades?

It may be because the society at large benefits greatly from such a policy in the long term, even though there may be little to no short-term benefits. The concept is often described as enlightened self-intrest.

Did you go to public or private school?
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-02-26 17:18:05
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Bahamut.Milamber said: »
You've either had a private or public education, or some combination of both.
How is providing healthcare for all fundamentally any different from providing education for all?
Why should I pay for educating someone, when they are going to decide to OD and die before joining the workforce?
Why should I pay for educating someone, when they are going to drop out of high school/not complete their education?
Why should I pay for educating someone, who consistently earns marginal grades?

It may be because the society at large benefits greatly from such a policy in the long term, even though there may be little to no short-term benefits. The concept is often described as enlightened self-intrest.
The only issue to your argument is the quality of education being given to our youth.

When the quality of education has been in decline for the past 5 years, one must wonder what the methods were in place beforehand and the methods that replaced it, take out the bad methods and revert back to the previous set.

You know, make schools responsible for their students instead of throwing money at teachers unions, instead of the teachers.

Then maybe you can preach "enlightened self-interest."
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By fonewear 2014-02-26 17:18:52
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Bahamut.Milamber said: »
Altimaomega said: »
Bahamut.Milamber said: »
Altimaomega said: »
Ahhh, So that's what this is about.

People want to not be held responsible and have someone else pay for everything. Heaven forbid a person be held accountable!

Obamacare does not make easier to access healthcare and it sure as hell don't make it more affordable! Why should I live a healthy life and have to pay for someone who decided to OD, abort a child, I could go on forever but ima stop right there.
Why the hell did I pay for your education?
All you gotta do now is call me racist and we can wrap this up.
You've either had a private or public education, or some combination of both.
How is providing healthcare for all fundamentally any different from providing education for all?
Why should I pay for educating someone, when they are going to decide to OD and die before joining the workforce?
Why should I pay for educating someone, when they are going to drop out of high school/not complete their education?
Why should I pay for educating someone, who consistently earns marginal grades?

It may be because the society at large benefits greatly from such a policy in the long term, even though there may be little to no short-term benefits. The concept is often described as enlightened self-intrest.

No to all questions. Wait I forgot what was the question again ?
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By Bahamut.Milamber 2014-02-26 17:22:33
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Altimaomega said: »
Bahamut.Milamber said: »
Altimaomega said: »
Bahamut.Milamber said: »
Altimaomega said: »
Ahhh, So that's what this is about.

People want to not be held responsible and have someone else pay for everything. Heaven forbid a person be held accountable!

Obamacare does not make easier to access healthcare and it sure as hell don't make it more affordable! Why should I live a healthy life and have to pay for someone who decided to OD, abort a child, I could go on forever but ima stop right there.
Why the hell did I pay for your education?
All you gotta do now is call me racist and we can wrap this up.
You've either had a private or public education, or some combination of both.
How is providing healthcare for all fundamentally any different from providing education for all?
Why should I pay for educating someone, when they are going to decide to OD and die before joining the workforce?
Why should I pay for educating someone, when they are going to drop out of high school/not complete their education?
Why should I pay for educating someone, who consistently earns marginal grades?

It may be because the society at large benefits greatly from such a policy in the long term, even though there may be little to no short-term benefits. The concept is often described as enlightened self-intrest.

Did you go to public or private school?
Private up to college; self-financed at an out-of-state state school for college. That's not to say that any of the schools involved did not receive any grants or funding from county, state, or federal levels.
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By Jetackuu 2014-02-26 17:24:59
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If a civil war breaks loose, I call dibs on Jet and Jassik! Maybe Vic too if nobody wants him.
You're a *** idiot if you think I like Obama.
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By fonewear 2014-02-26 17:27:53
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Looking for Obama in all the wrong places. Sing it with me now.

Are we on the civil war or public vs private education ?
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