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No tips after dinner for gays!
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By Shiva.Jirachi 2013-11-16 17:42:11
Toeing that conservative line. Leviathan.Hohenheim said: »Religion at it's finest. I read the article, and I didn’t see either religion or conservatism mentioned as a motive, but somehow both have already been blamed within the first few posts of this thread… That sounds an awful lot like profiling, and isn’t that supposed to be wrong? Can't this person just be an a-hole? Exactly, Profiling. Not all Conservatives hate gays. Not all Liberals are ok with them either.
Most religions don't mention much about the entire "straight/gay thing" but most people assume its man+Wife only.
I think Religion might be the biggest thing here, However, It is not just the Conservative "Christians and their Anti-Gay Laws!!"
There are many religions around the world that are either Against it or do not mention it very well and people get their own side from what they understand.
I know many Conservatives and Liberals for, and against it.
My entire idea is if it doesn't effect you why make a big argument over it.
Should have thought twice before posting this then Argument then, huh? Lol.
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2013-11-16 17:44:26
Bahamut.Baconwrap said: »Asura.Squishytaru said: »While I think tipping is *** to begin with, that being the particular reason they didn't tip is pretty shitty of them
Why is tipping ***?
In my experience a lower percentage of black people tip :P I'll tip if the service is good; I just think the whole tipping system is ***; and if the service sucks, they just get nothing plain and simple
Tipping positions at a lot of places make mininum wage, excluding tips. The new system sends their individual food/beverage sales to the IRS. The IRS assumes servers receive 10% from their sales, so when you don't tip your server you're subjecting them to a possible audit. Always tip your server ATLEAST 10%.
Feel bad for the server not getting a tip on that check. I never had that problem. I did have a table of gay men who were flirting with me and I didn't flirt back. I got a zero for tip and a phone number....
I wanted to feed those gays to the Westboro Baptist Church! I will only tip if the service is good. If they don't want audit, then they can not suck at their job.
I'm not a hardass (if my glass is empty for 10 seconds no tip!), so I'm not hard to please.
Standard is I double the tax (7% here; so if the service is fine, then I just double w/e I get taxed)
If the service is really good/exceptional, I tip upwards to 50%
If the service is bad/shitty/HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE mistakes that shouldn't be made, then they get 0, nothing, nada and I don't feel bad about it. Let the IRS audit them.
For example, I went to a restaurant the other day and my order was severely *** up. At first, I thought it was the kitchen, but when the receipt came, the stuff that was wrong w/ my order was all added there by the waitress.
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By Bahamut.Baconwrap 2013-11-16 17:44:58
Bahamut.Baconwrap said: »Tipping positions at a lot of places make mininum wage, excluding tips. The new system sends their individual food/beverage sales to the IRS. The IRS assumes servers receive 10% from their sales, so when you don't tip your server you're subjecting them to a possible audit. Always tip your server 10%.
Feel bad for the server not getting a tip on that check. I never had that problem. I did have a table of gay men who were flirting with me and I didn't flirt back. I got a zero for tip and a phone number....
I wanted to feed those gays to the Westboro Baptist Church!
This will sound callous, but it's not our problem they have a shitty job.
This will sound callous, but don't blame me when a server does something to your food.
"Omg their steak fell on the kitchen floor and rubbed against the sole of my shoe!! How clumsy of me!!!"
:)
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2013-11-16 17:47:05
Toeing that conservative line. Leviathan.Hohenheim said: »Religion at it's finest. I read the article, and I didn’t see either religion or conservatism mentioned as a motive, but somehow both have already been blamed within the first few posts of this thread… That sounds an awful lot like profiling, and isn’t that supposed to be wrong? Can't this person just be an a-hole? Exactly, Profiling. Not all Conservatives hate gays. Not all Liberals are ok with them either.
Most religions don't mention much about the entire "straight/gay thing" but most people assume its man+Wife only.
I think Religion might be the biggest thing here, However, It is not just the Conservative "Christians and their Anti-Gay Laws!!"
There are many religions around the world that are either Against it or do not mention it very well and people get their own side from what they understand.
I know many Conservatives and Liberals for, and against it.
My entire idea is if it doesn't effect you why make a big argument over it.
Should have thought twice before posting this then Argument then, huh? Lol.
If the House passes ENDA we can talk, till then it's all *** as the war against gays continues for the GOP.
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By Phoenix.Amandarius 2013-11-16 17:47:09
The difference is a liberal would have tipped them 100 dollars if they thought he was gay because their form of bigotry takes on pity and condescension. They would have been "aww how cute! here have some extra money."
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By Fairy.Spence 2013-11-16 17:48:22
Bahamut.Baconwrap said: »Bahamut.Baconwrap said: »Tipping positions at a lot of places make mininum wage, excluding tips. The new system sends their individual food/beverage sales to the IRS. The IRS assumes servers receive 10% from their sales, so when you don't tip your server you're subjecting them to a possible audit. Always tip your server 10%.
Feel bad for the server not getting a tip on that check. I never had that problem. I did have a table of gay men who were flirting with me and I didn't flirt back. I got a zero for tip and a phone number....
I wanted to feed those gays to the Westboro Baptist Church!
This will sound callous, but it's not our problem they have a shitty job.
This will sound callous, but don't blame me when a server does something to your food.
"Omg their steak fell on the kitchen floor and rubbed against the sole of my shoe!! How clumsy of me!!!"
:)
I'm polite and patient with servers, I tip, and I tip well, even in Australia where it's not customary. I never give anyone a reason to do anything like that. I'm simply making the argument that people shouldn't be made to feel as if they have to tip.
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2013-11-16 17:49:10
Asura.Squishytaru said: »Asura.Squishytaru said: »Asura.Squishytaru said: »While I think tipping is *** to begin with, that being the particular reason they didn't tip is pretty shitty of them
Why is tipping ***? "Here, pay our employees for us so we don't have to"
Personally I get tips on top of a standard wage. What about that? Same thing applies; pay employees minimum, and expect them to get anything extra from customers.
I don't get paid the minimum though. I make more than my co-worker in the same position, co-workers I have worked with in other locations, and even more than the office manager who is in charge of my schedule.
Point is tipping is not just about making up for the wage employers are not covering enough.
and I agree with that, so we're not even really having an argument. Spence pretty much hit the nail on the head though, it's pretty much considered mandatory here, which I simply don't agree with.
It is not like it happened overnight. People culturally tip in the US, and it became a norm enough to eventually become so expected that it is built into the wage system and tax laws.
Never said it did or that it wasn't; I simply stated I think it's ***.
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By Ragnarok.Azryel 2013-11-16 17:49:42
Alexander.Carrelo said: »Toeing that conservative line. Leviathan.Hohenheim said: »Religion at it's finest. I read the article, and I didn’t see either religion or conservatism mentioned as a motive, but somehow both have already been blamed within the first few posts of this thread… That sounds an awful lot like profiling, and isn’t that supposed to be wrong? Can't this person just be an a-hole? While you are correct that Christianity wasn't mentioned, the social conservatism in the message is self-evident. I thought the only thing self-evident was that this person is a cheapskate and didn't want to tip.
I'm conservative, and I've had flamingly homosexual servers before, and if they're good at their job they get 20%, the same as a heterosexual. I wouldn't have ever even considered basing my tip on anything other than services rendered... Conservatism: I must be doing it wrong.
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By Phoenix.Amandarius 2013-11-16 17:50:34
Toeing that conservative line. Leviathan.Hohenheim said: »Religion at it's finest. I read the article, and I didn’t see either religion or conservatism mentioned as a motive, but somehow both have already been blamed within the first few posts of this thread… That sounds an awful lot like profiling, and isn’t that supposed to be wrong? Can't this person just be an a-hole? Exactly, Profiling. Not all Conservatives hate gays. Not all Liberals are ok with them either.
Most religions don't mention much about the entire "straight/gay thing" but most people assume its man+Wife only.
I think Religion might be the biggest thing here, However, It is not just the Conservative "Christians and their Anti-Gay Laws!!"
There are many religions around the world that are either Against it or do not mention it very well and people get their own side from what they understand.
I know many Conservatives and Liberals for, and against it.
My entire idea is if it doesn't effect you why make a big argument over it.
Should have thought twice before posting this then Argument then, huh? Lol.
If the House passes ENDA we can talk, till then it's all *** as the war against gays continues for the GOP.
ENDA is simply the Democrats patronizing gays and trying to use them politically. Employers already cannot discriminate. This is merely political theatre and completely unnecessary. Go ahead pass this feel good redundant bill. I hope gays enjoy being used as pawns by the Democratic establishment.
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By Fairy.Spence 2013-11-16 17:51:25
Asura.Squishytaru said: »Bahamut.Baconwrap said: »Tipping positions at a lot of places make mininum wage, excluding tips. The new system sends their individual food/beverage sales to the IRS. The IRS assumes servers receive 10% from their sales, so when you don't tip your server you're subjecting them to a possible audit. Always tip your server 10%.
Feel bad for the server not getting a tip on that check. I never had that problem. I did have a table of gay men who were flirting with me and I didn't flirt back. I got a zero for tip and a phone number....
I wanted to feed those gays to the Westboro Baptist Church!
This will sound callous, but it's not our problem they have a shitty job.
It is impossible for everyone to get a good job. So why be callous to the person who is serving your as s because you can't (or just don't feel like it) take care of yourself as well as the people you entrust to do the job for you for a shi t wage? not. I'm 100% okay with helping others. ***, I tip well enough to make up for some poor tippers. I've been fortunate enough to grow up never wanting (for anything realistic), have a good job, yada yada yada. I'm just saying that people shouldn't feel obligated.
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By Bismarck.Davorin 2013-11-16 17:51:54
Asura.Squishytaru said: »Asura.Squishytaru said: »While I think tipping is *** to begin with, that being the particular reason they didn't tip is pretty shitty of them
Why is tipping ***?
Personally I get tips on top of a standard wage. What about that? Same thing applies; pay employees minimum, and expect them to get anything extra from customers.
I don't get paid the minimum though. I make more than my co-worker in the same position, co-workers I have worked with in other locations, and even more than the office manager who is in charge of my schedule.
Point is tipping is not just about making up for the wage employers are not covering enough.t, so we're not even really having an argument. Spence pretty much hit the nail on the head though, it's pretty much considered mandatory here, which I simply don't agree with.
Huh?
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2013-11-16 17:55:15
Phoenix.Amandarius said: »Toeing that conservative line. Leviathan.Hohenheim said: »Religion at it's finest. I read the article, and I didn’t see either religion or conservatism mentioned as a motive, but somehow both have already been blamed within the first few posts of this thread… That sounds an awful lot like profiling, and isn’t that supposed to be wrong? Can't this person just be an a-hole? Exactly, Profiling. Not all Conservatives hate gays. Not all Liberals are ok with them either.
Most religions don't mention much about the entire "straight/gay thing" but most people assume its man+Wife only.
I think Religion might be the biggest thing here, However, It is not just the Conservative "Christians and their Anti-Gay Laws!!"
There are many religions around the world that are either Against it or do not mention it very well and people get their own side from what they understand.
I know many Conservatives and Liberals for, and against it.
My entire idea is if it doesn't effect you why make a big argument over it.
Should have thought twice before posting this then Argument then, huh? Lol.
If the House passes ENDA we can talk, till then it's all *** as the war against gays continues for the GOP.
ENDA is simply the Democrats patronizing gays and trying to use them politically. Employers already cannot discriminate. This is merely political theatre and completely unnecessary. Go ahead pass this feel good redundant bill. I hope gays enjoy being used as pawns by the Democratic establishment.
See? *** and lies.
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By Bahamut.Baconwrap 2013-11-16 17:55:33
Asura.Squishytaru said: »About this whole tipping thing. The fact that they generally automatically deduct a tip % for parties over a certain number means you are volunteering. To eat at an establishment where you are expected to tip. That expectation does not change with a small party, and once again you are choosing to engage in this expectation by dining at the establishment.
If they just make it universal there be no debate. However, it is not *** that servers get paid a terrible wage and the customer tips. If they got paid a fair wage the prices of food be high enough to kill the business. It is how cost is transferred off of the menu. That is why you almost have to tip and are a *** for not because of a business model that screws someone just like you for you.
Restaurants in high tourism areas automatically have gratuity added for this reason.
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2013-11-16 17:57:38
Phoenix.Amandarius said: »Toeing that conservative line. Leviathan.Hohenheim said: »Religion at it's finest. I read the article, and I didn’t see either religion or conservatism mentioned as a motive, but somehow both have already been blamed within the first few posts of this thread… That sounds an awful lot like profiling, and isn’t that supposed to be wrong? Can't this person just be an a-hole? Exactly, Profiling. Not all Conservatives hate gays. Not all Liberals are ok with them either.
Most religions don't mention much about the entire "straight/gay thing" but most people assume its man+Wife only.
I think Religion might be the biggest thing here, However, It is not just the Conservative "Christians and their Anti-Gay Laws!!"
There are many religions around the world that are either Against it or do not mention it very well and people get their own side from what they understand.
I know many Conservatives and Liberals for, and against it.
My entire idea is if it doesn't effect you why make a big argument over it.
Should have thought twice before posting this then Argument then, huh? Lol.
If the House passes ENDA we can talk, till then it's all *** as the war against gays continues for the GOP.
ENDA is simply the Democrats patronizing gays and trying to use them politically. Employers already cannot discriminate. This is merely political theatre and completely unnecessary. Go ahead pass this feel good redundant bill. I hope gays enjoy being used as pawns by the Democratic establishment. This is not true nationally with regards to sexual orientation.
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By Shiva.Jirachi 2013-11-16 17:58:05
Toeing that conservative line. Leviathan.Hohenheim said: »Religion at it's finest. I read the article, and I didn’t see either religion or conservatism mentioned as a motive, but somehow both have already been blamed within the first few posts of this thread… That sounds an awful lot like profiling, and isn’t that supposed to be wrong? Can't this person just be an a-hole? Exactly, Profiling. Not all Conservatives hate gays. Not all Liberals are ok with them either.
Most religions don't mention much about the entire "straight/gay thing" but most people assume its man+Wife only.
I think Religion might be the biggest thing here, However, It is not just the Conservative "Christians and their Anti-Gay Laws!!"
There are many religions around the world that are either Against it or do not mention it very well and people get their own side from what they understand.
I know many Conservatives and Liberals for, and against it.
My entire idea is if it doesn't effect you why make a big argument over it.
Should have thought twice before posting this then Argument then, huh? Lol.
If the House passes ENDA we can talk, till then it's all *** as the war against gays continues for the GOP.
ENDA Wiki:
Quote:
In 2009, following Democratic gains in the 2008 elections, and after the divisiveness of the 2007 debate, Rep. Barney Frank introduced a transgender-inclusive version of ENDA. He introduced it again in 2011, and Sen. Jeff Merkley introduced it in the Senate. President Barack Obama supports the bill's passage
George Bush was high in Religion so that might be a reason why he wanted to Veto it. However a Republican Introduced the bill with the transgendered Inclusive.
Dark Blue: Democratic aye
Light Red: Republican aye
White: Abstention or no representative seated
Light Blue Democratic no
Dark Red: Republican no
So yes while more Republicans protect religious values for more people.
There are Democratic people who are against it too.
And there are Republican People for it.
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2013-11-16 17:58:47
Asura.Squishytaru said: »Asura.Squishytaru said: »While I think tipping is *** to begin with, that being the particular reason they didn't tip is pretty shitty of them
Why is tipping ***?
Personally I get tips on top of a standard wage. What about that? Same thing applies; pay employees minimum, and expect them to get anything extra from customers.
I don't get paid the minimum though. I make more than my co-worker in the same position, co-workers I have worked with in other locations, and even more than the office manager who is in charge of my schedule.
Point is tipping is not just about making up for the wage employers are not covering enough.t, so we're not even really having an argument. Spence pretty much hit the nail on the head though, it's pretty much considered mandatory here, which I simply don't agree with.
Huh? I wasn't saying in all cases; I was referring to the specific case he mentioned, but a lot of waitresses get paid lower than minimum wage, with the tips making up the difference.
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By Fairy.Spence 2013-11-16 17:59:06
Annnd I think any relevant discussion about tipping is dead
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By Fenrir.Stiklelf 2013-11-16 17:59:21
I always tip, even if it's bad service(Though I'll only tip $1. Or sometimes less depending on how the server was.)
I worked at a job where we got tipped, even though I was paid higher than min wage, and it's such a nice feeling to have someone give you the extra money even after they pay for their goods.
It always made me more motivated while working when I got tips. :D
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By Shiva.Jirachi 2013-11-16 18:00:40
As an inclusive Phoenix.Amandarius said: »Toeing that conservative line. Leviathan.Hohenheim said: »Religion at it's finest. I read the article, and I didn’t see either religion or conservatism mentioned as a motive, but somehow both have already been blamed within the first few posts of this thread… That sounds an awful lot like profiling, and isn’t that supposed to be wrong? Can't this person just be an a-hole? Exactly, Profiling. Not all Conservatives hate gays. Not all Liberals are ok with them either.
Most religions don't mention much about the entire "straight/gay thing" but most people assume its man+Wife only.
I think Religion might be the biggest thing here, However, It is not just the Conservative "Christians and their Anti-Gay Laws!!"
There are many religions around the world that are either Against it or do not mention it very well and people get their own side from what they understand.
I know many Conservatives and Liberals for, and against it.
My entire idea is if it doesn't effect you why make a big argument over it.
Should have thought twice before posting this then Argument then, huh? Lol.
If the House passes ENDA we can talk, till then it's all *** as the war against gays continues for the GOP.
ENDA is simply the Democrats patronizing gays and trying to use them politically. Employers already cannot discriminate. This is merely political theatre and completely unnecessary. Go ahead pass this feel good redundant bill. I hope gays enjoy being used as pawns by the Democratic establishment.
See? *** and lies.
My response to this is: This is why George Washington didn't want parties.
All they do is pick people use them fight about it and start Civil Wars.
Civil War 2015 Commence!
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2013-11-16 18:03:07
The one thing that actually pisses me off when it comes to tipping though is when you're charged for "gratuity" which is basically a forced tip, then they still ask for/expect a tip on top of that.
Never in my life will that happen
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