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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2013-11-17 14:12:32
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Leviathan.Comeatmebro said: »
Now that's an interesting thought, like I said I've had no experience in the matter.

Is it 'standard' practice to tip movers, or is it just a preventative measure to ensure their honesty..?

Generally I tip movers because carrying things up 5 flights of steps for me is worth it. If you leave ***on the sidewalk though, oh well.

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Do you guys tip pizza/chinese/etc delivery drivers? Same idea?

Yes, because the latter two bring things by bike to my place and Domino's around here will *** with your order if you don't tip. The poor *** are getting hammered by Little Caesars though. Karma is a Large Pepperoni with Mushrooms.
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By sumo 2013-11-17 14:12:51
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Lye said: »
Leviathan.Comeatmebro said: »
Now that's an interesting thought, like I said I've had no experience in the matter.

Is it 'standard' practice to tip movers, or is it just a preventative measure to ensure their honesty..?

The wealthy do the latter.



But I will say this. If your move takes more than one day, you better tip. Every guy on that crew will be thinking "I could have been on 2 jobs that might have tipped" if you stiff em.
been burned on multiple day jobs quite a number of times. Leaves you pissed off every time lol.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2013-11-17 14:12:54
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I don't know how it works over there, but here you tip at the end of the meal so they can't really sabotage it for that reason since they won't know till later...unless they remember your face and you come back some time later I guess.

Either way I always tip because I know those guys wouldn't be doing that job if they didn't need money and 10% of my check isn't a big deal.
Unless they're ***, then they don't get it, I'm still paying for a service!
 
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By Bismarck.Davorin 2013-11-17 14:13:30
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Cerberus.Josiahfk said: »
Pizza/food delivery guys are getting paid to deliver it, so that's another thing. You're paying a delivery charge already so what would you pay for, the guy deciding to drive a bit faster to your house?

Such a weird social stigma lol

Yea, actually. If you did tip, wouldn't you tip the driver who got to your place in 20 mins, considering the last guy took 60?
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By Leviathan.Comeatmebro 2013-11-17 14:17:39
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Really interesting, I'd never thought of that as a 'tipped' job. I just look at the whole thing as what's customary. If a mover receives a $50 tip on average, I'd plan the cost of the transaction as including a $60 tip per mover.

I don't feel a personal need to tip people for doing their jobs, so it probably wouldn't have even entered my head if that situation happened yesterday. After reading this page, I'd certainly want to tip a mover because it seems much more 'standard'. I'd still much rather have standardized prices and tipping out of practice though, since in that particular example I potentially made myself look like a douchebag just because I didn't know it was expected.
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2013-11-17 14:17:46
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Bismarck.Davorin said: »
Cerberus.Josiahfk said: »
Pizza/food delivery guys are getting paid to deliver it, so that's another thing. You're paying a delivery charge already so what would you pay for, the guy deciding to drive a bit faster to your house?

Such a weird social stigma lol

Yea, actually. If you did tip, wouldn't you tip the driver who got to your place in 20 mins, considering the last guy took 60?

If I was paying a delivery charge and they took an ungodly/unreasonable amount of time (especially if they give you an estimate when you order it on the phone and it's nowhere near that estimate); I'd tell them nevermind when they showed up on the door step; but again, as I've said, I do carry-out for pizza
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By Fenrir.Sylow 2013-11-17 14:18:12
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The delivery charge generally doesn't go to the driver. There's nothing cheap about picking it up yourself though. If you don't want to tip, that's exactly what you should do.
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By Lye 2013-11-17 14:18:45
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Valefor.Sehachan said: »
I don't know how it works over there, but here you tip at the end of the meal so they can't really sabotage it for that reason since they won't know till later...unless they remember your face and you come back some time later I guess.

Either way I always tip because I know those guys wouldn't be doing that job if they didn't need money and 10% of my check isn't a big deal.
Unless they're ***, then they don't get it, I'm still paying for a service!


You're right about the above. However, just remember that it only takes one cheap *** before you to ensure your salad spends some time on the floor before arriving in your mouth.

Think of it as paying it forward for the next table.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2013-11-17 14:19:26
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Cerberus.Josiahfk said: »
Pizza/food delivery guys are getting paid to deliver it, so that's another thing. You're paying a delivery charge already so what would you pay for, the guy deciding to drive a bit faster to your house?

Such a weird social stigma lol

Chinese place and the Hispanic restaurants around here are not charging a delivery fee unless you make a huge order. It's kinda understood you add +2-3 dollars to your meal. Domino's does add a delivery charge but +2 isn't really a big deal if I'm too lazy to walk for a carryout.

I had this one old asian delivery guy shake his fist at me for not giving him 5 dollars tip on a 9 dollar order. Kinda funny, I never ordered from that place again.
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2013-11-17 14:20:04
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Fenrir.Sylow said: »
The delivery charge generally doesn't go to the driver.
I meant in the assumption that the delivery charge is used to alleviate their losses to the hourly wage they pay to the driver; not that the driver gets it/gets to pocket it directly
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By Bismarck.Davorin 2013-11-17 14:21:29
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Sylph.Tigerwoods said: »
Fenrir.Sylow said: »
The delivery charge generally doesn't go to the driver.
I meant in the assumption that the delivery charge is used to alleviate their losses to the hourly wage they pay to the driver; not that the driver gets it/gets to pocket it directly

Why make assumptions like that?
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By Lye 2013-11-17 14:21:29
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There are obvious exceptions (something was amazing) but I think you ought to tip if for no other reason than acknowledging someone has the power to ruin your day and you'd prefer that didn't happen.
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By Cerberus.Senkyuutai 2013-11-17 14:22:24
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Sylph.Tigerwoods said: »
While I think tipping is *** to begin with, that being the particular reason they didn't tip is pretty shitty of them
>America

I had a laugh with a friend who lives in America and visited me in London, he was worried because he didn't have any cash to tip the waitress until I reminded him that in EU, it doesn't work like that.

Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »
Chinese place and the Hispanic restaurants around here are not charging a delivery fee unless you make a huge order. It's kinda understood you add +2-3 dollars to your meal. Domino's does add a delivery charge but +2 isn't really a big deal if I'm too lazy to walk for a carryout.

I had this one old asian delivery guy shake his fist at me for not giving him 5 dollars tip on a 9 dollar order. Kinda funny, I never ordered from that place again.
Here it's the opposite. Free delivery starts at a minimum (depends on the shop) and once you reach/pass it, it's free, period, even if you order enough to fill 2 trucks.

I haven't given a tip in 11 years, it was a hairdresser, she was cute.
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By cadaver 2013-11-17 14:22:34
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Why wouldn't employers skim the tip pool to help pay their employees? Working in a restaurant is a team effort. It makes sense that with all the tips that are brought in, the servers help pay off the rest of the staff that helps them make it.


Cooks, dishwashers, prep-cooks. These people are paid poorly, but yet somehow, and nobody seems to care because they aren't at the table smiling at them. If skimming the pool is acceptable to improve the pay of the team as a whole then why isn't the whole team reaping these benefits.

Your right, I am more against the idea because establishments have abused/pressured the "tip" as a way to pocket more money.

I see tip jars at fast food restaurants (with money in them). Whether the cashier puts the money there to influence people or not, I don't know. It feeds this idea that we 'have' to tip service people. And most people buy into it because they have this idea that they are underpaid. Why would I tip someone at a cash register for pushing three buttons and swiping my debt card. Because standing in 1 spot for 8 hours is hard work?
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By Lye 2013-11-17 14:24:14
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sumo said: »

Why wouldn't employers skim the tip pool to help pay their employees? Working in a restaurant is a team effort. It makes sense that with all the tips that are brought in, the servers help pay off the rest of the staff that helps them make it.


Cooks, dishwashers, prep-cooks. These people are paid poorly, but yet somehow, and nobody seems to care because they aren't at the table smiling at them. If skimming the pool is acceptable to improve the pay of the team as a whole then why isn't the whole team reaping these benefits.

Your right, I am more against the idea because establishments have abused/pressured the "tip" as a way to pocket more money.

I see tip jars at fast food restaurants (with money in them). Whether the cashier puts the money there to influence people or not, I don't know. It feeds this idea that we 'have' to tip service people. And most people buy into it because they have this idea that they are underpaid. Why would I tip someone at a cash register for pushing three buttons and swiping my debt card. Because standing in 1 spot for 8 hours is hard work?

Gee wiz! I wonder what that 3 button pushing moron could do with.... oh I don't know.... my credit card information.....
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By Ragnarok.Kongming 2013-11-17 14:25:25
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Sylph.Tigerwoods said: »
Fenrir.Sylow said: »
The delivery charge generally doesn't go to the driver.
I meant in the assumption that the delivery charge is used to alleviate their losses to the hourly wage they pay to the driver; not that the driver gets it/gets to pocket it directly
Delivery charges are nothing more than discreet menu price markups that let restaurants appear to have lower prices than they really do. The driver gets shortchanged because most people mistakenly believe the delivery charge to be a tip, so they end up not tipping the driver. The restaurant of course doesn't see the impact of this, and thus it's a better solution than actually just raising their menu prices directly.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2013-11-17 14:25:57
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Lye said: »
There are obvious exceptions (something was amazing) but I think you ought to tip if for no other reason than acknowledging someone has the power to ruin your day and you'd prefer that didn't happen.

Mafioso tactics? lol, I'll just no longer patronize that business. Should I also tip the guys that work hard at food carts, trucks and other places where food is prepared? Cause I don't. Why should X get a tip but Y be denied? It's voluntary and relatively arbitrary. Is someone driving in a car really doing more than the guy out in the cold making gyros?

"Gee, that pizza looks delicious. It'd be a shame if something happened to it...."
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2013-11-17 14:26:38
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Bismarck.Davorin said: »
Sylph.Tigerwoods said: »
Fenrir.Sylow said: »
The delivery charge generally doesn't go to the driver.
I meant in the assumption that the delivery charge is used to alleviate their losses to the hourly wage they pay to the driver; not that the driver gets it/gets to pocket it directly

Why make assumptions like that?
Because if they didn't do deliveries, there wouldn't be delivery boys, nor delivery fees?
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By Fenrir.Sylow 2013-11-17 14:26:48
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Ragnarok.Kongming said: »
Sylph.Tigerwoods said: »
Fenrir.Sylow said: »
The delivery charge generally doesn't go to the driver.
I meant in the assumption that the delivery charge is used to alleviate their losses to the hourly wage they pay to the driver; not that the driver gets it/gets to pocket it directly
Delivery charges are nothing more than discrete menu price markups that let restaurant appear to have lower prices than they really do. The driver gets shortchanged because most people mistakenly believe the delivery charge to be a tip, so they end up not tipping the driver. The restaurant of course doesn't see the impact of this, and thus it's a better solution than actually just raising their menu prices directly.

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By Valefor.Sehachan 2013-11-17 14:27:34
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Cooks, dishwashers, prep-cooks. These people are paid poorly, but yet somehow, and nobody seems to care because they aren't at the table smiling at them. If skimming the pool is acceptable to improve the pay of the team as a whole then why isn't the whole team reaping these benefits.
In serious workplaces the personnel would share the tips of the day between each other. Of course there might be waiters who just grab it and call it a day, but that's another matter...
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By sumo 2013-11-17 14:27:45
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Lye said: »
There are obvious exceptions (something was amazing) but I think you ought to tip if for no other reason than acknowledging someone has the power to ruin your day and you'd prefer that didn't happen.
I never tip out of fear that someone will screw with my order. You're watching too many movies if you think that kind of stuff happens with any kind of regularity. I'm willing to be that you'll find a $20 on the ground more often then you will see a cook or server drop your food on the ground.
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By Lye 2013-11-17 14:28:33
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Lye said: »
There are obvious exceptions (something was amazing) but I think you ought to tip if for no other reason than acknowledging someone has the power to ruin your day and you'd prefer that didn't happen.

Mafioso tactics? lol, I'll just no longer patronize that business. Should I also tip the guys that work hard at food carts, trucks and other places where food is prepared? Why should X get a tip but Y be denied? It's voluntary and relatively arbitrary.

"Gee, that pizza looks delicious. It'd be a shame if something happened to it...."

Do what you want. But if "I'll never patronize that business again" is your only recourse, I think we know who got the better end of that deal.
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By cadaver 2013-11-17 14:30:27
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Lye said: »

Gee wiz! I wonder what that 3 button pushing moron could do with.... oh I don't know.... my credit card information.....

I don't know where you learned to read, but I never called anyone a moron. In retrospect, you are telling me that said moron is also a criminal who in spite, would steal my credit card number because I didn't tip them. Wow
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By sumo 2013-11-17 14:30:32
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Valefor.Sehachan said: »
cadaver said: »
Cooks, dishwashers, prep-cooks. These people are paid poorly, but yet somehow, and nobody seems to care because they aren't at the table smiling at them. If skimming the pool is acceptable to improve the pay of the team as a whole then why isn't the whole team reaping these benefits.
In serious workplaces the personnel would share the tips of the day between each other. Of course there might be waiters who just grab it and call it a day, but that's another matter...
Some places to use a tip pool, others let the servers keep what they make minus the required tip outs. If I were a good server, I wouldn't like to pool my tips because then i'm likely losing more money because i'm sharing with those who aren't pulling in as much money as I am.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2013-11-17 14:33:43
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I never tip the courier though. He doesn't do anything extra and treats me like ***, so screw that guy. /rants
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By Lye 2013-11-17 14:34:17
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Lye said: »
There are obvious exceptions (something was amazing) but I think you ought to tip if for no other reason than acknowledging someone has the power to ruin your day and you'd prefer that didn't happen.
I never tip out of fear that someone will screw with my order. You're watching too many movies if you think that kind of stuff happens with any kind of regularity. I'm willing to be that you'll find a $20 on the ground more often then you will see a cook or server drop your food on the ground.


I suppose you can interpret it that way. I didn't intend for it to be interpreted as such.

I think of tipping in a more broad sense.

If I'm going to hand the keys to my 80,000$ car to a 17 year old valet, you better believe I'm going to slip him a 10$. He has the power to ruin my night. My mindset for the evening is more valuable to me than 10$. Thus, I will tip.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2013-11-17 14:37:23
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Lye said: »
Do what you want. But if "I'll never patronize that business again" is your only recourse, I think we know who got the better end of that deal.

If a business is trying to extort money from me under threat of poor/substandard/hostile service then *** 'em and their employees. They'll fold like every other restaurant that pops up and dies in less than a year.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2013-11-17 14:38:30
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Valefor.Sehachan said: »
I never tip the courier though. He doesn't do anything extra and treats me like ***, so screw that guy. /rants

People tip the mailman? lol
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By cadaver 2013-11-17 14:38:37
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Some places to use a tip pool, others let the servers keep what they make minus the required tip outs. If I were a good server, I wouldn't like to pool my tips because then i'm likely losing more money because i'm sharing with those who aren't pulling in as much money as I am.

Therein lies another problem with the system. People knowing that they can half *** their job and still get the cut. It's a mess...

I saw you say "I would tip your gardener, if I had one" Why not just pay the bloke a decent wage and if your continuously happy with his work. Pay him better. You would see a lot better work from the person who is consistently paid well.
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