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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2013-11-12 16:24:22
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One, I wasn't talking to you as you're impossible to debate with. Two, despite the general obsession in this thread, this is about more than just flashing your *** to a trans woman. It's very likely that a transgendered man or woman wouldn't place themselves in that particular situation. Three, if you feel uncomfortable around gay men, that's your *** problem, not mine.

And finally, four,
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2013-11-12 16:26:41
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OH GOD NO ONE MOVE MAYBE HE WILL GO AWAY
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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2013-11-12 16:27:08
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WAIT WHO?

Edit*: Oh that guy who is not comfortable with society growing or understanding how awkward social experiences are liken to growing pains. yeah that guy.. let me go post somewhere else it will distract him for awhile.
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By Caitsith.Zahrah 2013-11-12 16:27:38
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My moral dilemma...Do I [+] for Jenna Maroney despite the "kill yourself" part?

/ponders
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2013-11-12 16:31:12
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Fixed ._.
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By Bahamut.Baconwrap 2013-11-12 16:31:49
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
For those who can't understand liberalspeak, here is a translation for you: If you don't agree with me, I'll just call you stupid.

I sympathize honestly. This is a different matter than marriage equality and acceptance of homosexuality. Heterosexuals weren't being forced to witness homosexuality or get married to same-sex partners.

We're taking about showers, restrooms- it's a completely different level of forced tolerance. As Dr. Blanchard put it, Ashman is being forced to take part in "their movie."

There needs to be a level of sympathy from both sides of the fence for such a matter to progress.
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By Alexander.Carrelo 2013-11-12 16:31:52
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Bahamut.Baconwrap said: »
Alexander.Carrelo said: »
which were dismissed early on by several people in this thread.
Partially because it's semi-irrelavent. The law extends beyond restrooms.

Edit:Flavin beat me to the punch.
Wait, did you think I was advocating unisex bathrooms as a solution to zomg all transgender issues evar? That's absurd. D: I'm not even calling it a solution to the part of this debate that is about bathrooms (and to which it is quite relevant, by the way).

They were brought up during the discussion, I commented. They're useful to a lot of people, transgender or otherwise. It would be nice to have more. That's it, ya'll.
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By Caitsith.Zahrah 2013-11-12 16:35:03
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Cerberus.Pleebo said: »
Fixed ._.

Meh...You could have kept it, just didn't want you to get reported or topicbanned.
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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2013-11-12 16:36:17
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Caitsith.Zahrah said: »
Cerberus.Pleebo said: »
Fixed ._.

Meh...You could have kept it, just didn't want you to get reported or topicbanned.

you can get topic banned for something as inocuous as that?
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2013-11-12 16:37:44
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Potentially is "hate speech" so I suppose it's bannable..better safe than sorry anyway.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2013-11-12 16:39:30
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Cerberus.Pleebo said: »
One, I wasn't talking to you as you're impossible to debate with. Two, despite the general obsession in this thread, this is about more than just flashing your *** to a trans woman. It's very likely that a transgendered man or woman wouldn't place themselves in that particular situation. Three, if you feel uncomfortable around gay men, that's your *** problem, not mine.

And finally, four,
1) Again, can't come up with a response, so you will just ignore the other person. Who's being closed-minded again?
2) Then why are you so focused on that?
3) Who said I was uncomfortable? I have friends who are gay, and I don't give a flying *** about it. The only ones who are uncomfortable are the ones having an issue in the first place (aka the crybabies of the world).
4) Yes, you should do that.
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By Siren.Mosin 2013-11-12 16:39:59
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god damn it, can't I work for a bit without missing something?

pleebo if you get a free minute, pm me whatever you were posting!

no worries if not.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2013-11-12 16:42:31
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Bahamut.Baconwrap said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
For those who can't understand liberalspeak, here is a translation for you: If you don't agree with me, I'll just call you stupid.

I sympathize honestly. This is a different matter than marriage equality and acceptance of homosexuality. Heterosexuals weren't being forced to witness homosexuality or get married to same-sex partners.

We're taking about showers, restrooms- it's a completely different level of forced tolerance. As Dr. Blanchard put it, Ashman is being forced to take part in "their movie."

There needs to be a level of sympathy from both sides of the fence for such a matter to progress.
When it comes to everything else, I don't give a rat's ***.

When it comes to private situations, like taking a shower or taking a dump, I rather not have people watching me. I generally use a stall or wait until I get home. But some people in public like to show off their thing like they are proud of it. It's usually those that got it for the first time that does it in public too...at least in SA it is...
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2013-11-12 16:46:27
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Yeah, it probably crossed a line. Zah is apparently my moral center.

I'm so ***.
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By Siren.Mosin 2013-11-12 16:46:33
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
I have friends

I'm suspect atm....
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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2013-11-12 16:47:00
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Bahamut.Baconwrap said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
For those who can't understand liberalspeak, here is a translation for you: If you don't agree with me, I'll just call you stupid.

I sympathize honestly. This is a different matter than marriage equality and acceptance of homosexuality. Heterosexuals weren't being forced to witness homosexuality or get married to same-sex partners.

We're taking about showers, restrooms- it's a completely different level of forced tolerance. As Dr. Blanchard put it, Ashman is being forced to take part in "their movie."

There needs to be a level of sympathy from both sides of the fence for such a matter to progress.
When it comes to everything else, I don't give a rat's ***.

When it comes to private situations, like taking a shower or taking a dump, I rather not have people watching me. I generally use a stall or wait until I get home. But some people in public like to show off their thing like they are proud of it. It's usually those that got it for the first time that does it in public too...at least in SA it is...

Mind blown.

You got people with new *** running around San Antonio showing off like chicks who got a new pair of fake ***? Assemble the News Team NAO
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By Bahamut.Baconwrap 2013-11-12 16:49:53
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
I generally use a stall or wait until I get home. But some people in public like to show off their thing like they are proud of it.

Are you sure you weren't at a gay bathhouse? Next think you know you're going to be saying people are doing jack-off shows on Tuesdays!

Like seriously what public restroom or locker-room facility do men "show-off" to one another. I kinda wanna know!
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By Garuda.Chanti 2013-11-12 16:51:29
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Lakshmi.Zerowone said: »
.... saying masturbation or pulling out is murder....

This is the official position of several churches. I think the Roman Catholic church no longer holds this position, but I am not at all sure they have disowned it.

Bahamut.Baconwrap said: »
....
Like seriously what public restroom or locker-room facility do men "show-off" to one another. I kinda wanna know!

Some gay bars. A few even have the trough style urinal with a strategically placed mirror
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By Fenrir.Sylow 2013-11-12 16:52:37
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I read "SA" as "Saudi Arabia" which made the image a lot more entertaining.
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By Cerberus.Tikal 2013-11-12 16:53:25
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Bahamut.Baconwrap said: »
Like seriously what public restroom or locker-room facility do men "show-off" to one another. I kinda wanna know!
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By Caitsith.Zahrah 2013-11-12 16:53:26
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Cerberus.Pleebo said: »
Yeah, it probably crossed a line. Zah is apparently my moral center.

I'm so ***.

You can still bring the fun even when you're trying to get your point across. Nobody wants to lose that.

You are. You really are, if that's the case. :/

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By Siren.Mosin 2013-11-12 16:54:38
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Lakshmi.Zerowone said: »
You got people with new *** running around San Antonio

c'mon, cut em' some slack. If I got a new ***, the first thing I would do is show up here, & go "HHHHHHHHHHEEEEEEEEEEEEYYYYYYYYY GGGGGGGGGGGGGGGUUUUUUUUUUUUUYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYSSSSSSSSSS LLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKIIIIIIIIEEEEE HERE!!!!"""





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By Valefor.Sehachan 2013-11-12 16:54:57
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Bahamut.Baconwrap said: »
Like seriously what public restroom or lockerroom facility do men "show-off" to one another. I kinda wanna know!
I don't know if it counts but boys in middle school would go to the bathroom with their rulers daily and then come back to class debating progress and mocking those who were lagging behind in the growth.

Classy people.
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2013-11-12 16:58:34
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Caitsith.Zahrah said: »
Cerberus.Pleebo said: »
Yeah, it probably crossed a line. Zah is apparently my moral center.

I'm so ***.

You can still bring the fun even when you're trying to get your point across. Nobody wants to lose that.

You are. You really are, if that's the case. :/

Band name idea:
The New ***
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By Bahamut.Baconwrap 2013-11-12 17:07:02
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Valefor.Sehachan said: »
I don't know if it counts but boys in middle school would go to the bathroom with their rulers daily and then come back to class debating progress and mocking those who were lagging behind in the growth.

Classy people.



"Oh, the hell with this... Lois, get the ruler. We're measuring again, and this time, I decide where the base is."
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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2013-11-12 17:09:53
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Valefor.Sehachan said: »
Bahamut.Baconwrap said: »
Like seriously what public restroom or lockerroom facility do men "show-off" to one another. I kinda wanna know!
I don't know if it counts but boys in middle school would go to the bathroom with their rulers daily and then come back to class debating progress and mocking those who were lagging behind in the growth.

Classy people.

you went to xhamster middle school?
edit: (probably not forum appropiate so strike through!)


When I was in the 6th grade there was this one guy that did that and even pee'd on another student in the gym showers. Needless to say we didnt see that guy again after that day.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2013-11-12 17:13:37
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Jeez this thread blew up.

I haven't seen guys showing their *** for the lulz since High School locker rooms.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2013-11-12 17:15:33
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Had a friend with the tactic "wanna see my Maradona tatoo?" *drops pants*
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2013-11-12 17:18:57
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Gilgamesh.Tenshibaby said: »
It's all about letting freaks set the norms, hence California. People need to grow up and keep their mental disorders to themselves or at least quit seeking special protections. Normality served us well for millenia.

How is Stormfront doing these days?
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By Bahamut.Baconwrap 2013-11-12 17:25:29
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I think what some conservatives in this thread need to process is the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders(DSM-V) backs transgender students and the provision of using the particular M or F facility for which they identify. That holds a considerable amount of weight. They can huff and puff all they want but as it stands gender dysphoria is a mental condition and can require provisions deemed by their psychiatrist.

The DSM-V's involvement in this matter important to note, because the DSM-V never backed same-sex marriage. One couldn't say that same-sex marriage was part of the treatment of homosexuality, because homosexuality doesn't require treatment. However, transexualism is a different case.

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The APA’s manual of mental disorders is the nexus of the psycho-pharmaceutical industrial complex in the United States. Its reach extends into the workings of insurance companies, criminal courts, and psychiatric care worldwide.

How the Psychiatrist Who Co-Wrote the Manual on Sex Talks About Sex

Good article to read cause Dr. Ray Blanchard helped write the current DSM-V particularly the portion regarding gender dysphoria and transexualism

So how does a K-12 institution accommodate these medical provisions, without upsetting everyone? Or is that impossible?
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