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(CA) K-12 Transgender Law Repeal
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2013-11-12 07:09:59
You also have the converse of this and something Kingnobody alluded to indirectly which would be the complaints of self indentifying heterosexual males with regards to self indentified transgender males being amongst females in the locker room and bathrooms as some sort of priviledge. Exactly. Watch how many young boys suddenly become "transgendered" so they can go peeking in the girls locker rooms. I mean, it is prevalent in society to pretend you are sick so you can get out of work, and kids will see that if you lie to get what you want, you always get your way, especially with the government involved, then you have the above situation.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2013-11-12 07:13:43
trans (opposite) gender (gender)
how much more literal can you get Just wait until the graphs of Kim Kardashian haircut styles to prove his point.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2013-11-12 07:21:11
Bahamut.Baconwrap said: »Alexander.Carrelo said: »Oh, unisex bathrooms definitely go a long way towards solving this particular issue. I'm just using it as an example of a more general problem with the way that people treat each other.
I don't think unisex restrooms would solve this dilemma if anything I think it would make it worse. Part of being transgender is identifying as a different sex not as "unisex." One is going to the girls restroom b/c they emotionally feel they are a girl. Actually, we arise to a whole different issue with unisex bathrooms. Especially ones with multiple stalls.
Rapes will become more prevalent in the near future when there are unisex restrooms because it would be much easier to see if there is a lone woman in the restroom if a group of guys comes in. Heck, it could be just one guy.
Also, you got those perverts out there that would either stand on top or look below stalls to see women go to the bathroom.
This is a "solution" that would create a bigger "problem." Why do you think we separate sexes in the first place!
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By Fenrir.Sylow 2013-11-12 07:47:10
You also have the converse of this and something Kingnobody alluded to indirectly which would be the complaints of self indentifying heterosexual males with regards to self indentified transgender males being amongst females in the locker room and bathrooms as some sort of priviledge. Exactly. Watch how many young boys suddenly become "transgendered" so they can go peeking in the girls locker rooms. I mean, it is prevalent in society to pretend you are sick so you can get out of work, and kids will see that if you lie to get what you want, you always get your way, especially with the government involved, then you have the above situation.
The social stigma against trans people is so strong that what you're suggesting is about as likely as someone amputating their leg to get a better parking space. Ah yeah, I'll be considered an outcast and sexual deviant and put myself in danger of bullying but at least I'll be able to use the other restroom.
As for the Kim Kardashian thing you must be confused with someone else. I don't even know what she looks like.
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By Lakshmi.Saevel 2013-11-12 07:54:50
Quote: The social stigma against trans people is so strong that what you're suggesting is about as likely as someone amputating their leg to get a better parking space. Ah yeah, I'll be considered an outcast and sexual deviant and put myself in danger of bullying but at least I'll be able to use the other restroom.
Bullsh!t.
The fact they got that law passed alone disproves what you stated. But hey reality doesn't apply to you guys, it doesn't matter if something is true or not. After all truth truth is so oppressive, feel truth is so much more flexible and dynamic. With feel truth you only need to want something to be true for it to be accepted as true. And if you can get enough people feeling it's true then you can codify it as truth and then oppress anyone questioning your feels truth.
I swear post-modern discourse is the worst thing to happen to the human race. At least in the past we were forced to face our inhumanities and failures. Now we can just change the language and define them away, all in the name of forced social equality.
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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2013-11-12 07:57:20
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how much more literal can you get Just wait until the graphs of Kim Kardashian haircut styles to prove his point.
The homosexual men that are posting in this thread as proponents of this law are very one dimensional in their approach. They are exclusively referring to young gay men who identify themselves as girls having the right to be themselves and dwell in such places as the girls bathroom and locker room.
Not once have you seen the converse scenario discussed. Young homosexual girls who view themselves a boys having the right to be themselves and dwell in such places as the boys bathroom and locker room. This is where the crux of the problem is. 1. The potential of rape is too high, 2. Most lesbian girls will not go into male locker room, because why would they? That's not where the girls are.
The argument that's being proposed to make a special case for the boys is no different than when the W.A.S.P class didn't want women and other minorities to share in the same priviledges of their class and proposed nothing but idealized one sided arguments.
Apparently there is a gender equality gap among the transgendered. Which isn't surprising since homosexual men and women can't see eye on things let alone respect Bi-sexuals and non-homosexual transvestites.
Essentially what we have here is someone who doesn't appreciate outsiders from the group defining terms as "transgender" differently than themself. Which is ultimately no more *** than heterosexual's saying a homosexual isn't qualified to define "family values".
Transgender doesn't mean because you believe in your mind you are the gender opposite of your assigned biological sex. There are specific sex+gender identification labels for that in the scientific community.
Transgender traditionally speaking has meant transformation to come across the sexual and gender lines becoming and embodying the opposite and not just simply believing you are.
The act of disregarding a person's entire argument because you don't see eye to eye on a definition and purely focus on that, is a display of ignorance that is traditionally reserved for the W.A.S.P. Bravo you are no different than us.
PS King you use the Kim Kardashian thing too much. The fact your argument was invalidated by a popularity poll of presidents within the conservative community only reinforces how weak your argument was. So you ought to just let it go. Cause that just reinforces the notion you are bitter.
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By Fenrir.Sylow 2013-11-12 07:59:57
you're saying there is not an adverse attitude toward trans people then? And accusing me of ignoring reality?
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By Lakshmi.Saevel 2013-11-12 08:03:32
you're saying there is not an adverse attitude toward trans people then? And accusing me of ignoring reality?
Not in CA there isn't. Which just happens to be the location this law exists in.
But hey not that it matters right, you feel there is an adverse attitude towards trans people and thus it's gotta be true.
Here's a hint, your not important. We don't care if you want to dress up as a women, or even if you want to get some sort of permanent cosmetic alterations done. Nobody cares what you call yourself, just do whatever you want, we really don't care. Of course we don't buy into your fantasy, it's not ours after all. And it's that not buying part that makes you feel so bad, that we disagree with your fantasy and refuse to support you in living it out.
Only in the liberalized first world countries does refusal to support end up translated into oppression. As though you were entitled to someone's support with the only condition that you feel you should have it.
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By Leviathan.Andret 2013-11-12 08:14:36
In a perfect world we have M group and not-M group for everything. In this world, the not-M is actually the W group and does not actually covers everything that is not M. Now we have M, W and everything else group.
The ideal political solution is to recognize the status of the 'everything else' group, create a structure for them and demand money to do so. Then you can announce budget cuts and raises taxes.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2013-11-12 08:18:30
You also have the converse of this and something Kingnobody alluded to indirectly which would be the complaints of self indentifying heterosexual males with regards to self indentified transgender males being amongst females in the locker room and bathrooms as some sort of priviledge. Exactly. Watch how many young boys suddenly become "transgendered" so they can go peeking in the girls locker rooms. I mean, it is prevalent in society to pretend you are sick so you can get out of work, and kids will see that if you lie to get what you want, you always get your way, especially with the government involved, then you have the above situation.
The social stigma against trans people is so strong that what you're suggesting is about as likely as someone amputating their leg to get a better parking space. Ah yeah, I'll be considered an outcast and sexual deviant and put myself in danger of bullying but at least I'll be able to use the other restroom.
Actually, I was thinking the other way around. Not in the viewpoint of those who would actually be affected by this "law" but those who would abuse it. Giving my counterpoint at the abuse standpoint. More people would abuse the system than those who would use the system honestly.
Quote: As for the Kim Kardashian thing you must be confused with someone else. I don't even know what she looks like. I was actually referencing Zero's inability to prove a point by using graphs because he uses the wrong graphs in the first place.
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By Lakshmi.Saevel 2013-11-12 08:25:27
Quote: In a perfect world we have M group and not-M group for everything. In this world, the not-M is actually the W group and does not actually covers everything that is not M. Now we have M, W and everything else group.
There is only M and W. XX and XY. Specifically the expression of the SRY gene located on the Y chromosome to suppress anti-male genes and express pro-male genes. In the absence of SRY the FOXL2 gene will suppress anti-female genes and express pro-female genes. Initially all fetus's are neutral possessing no gender at all, during development the presence of lack of SRY determines if the neutral gonads develop into testes or ovaries which in turn alters the hormonal balance the effects the early development of the brain. This will determine if the homo sapiens fetus is male or female.
Everything else after that is an artificial social issue. Gender is hard coded into our DNA because millions of years of evolution and natural selection says it must be. People can't disregard biology and Darwin just because it makes them uncomfortable and doesn't promote their political agenda.
On a tangent. Gender Identity issues are something we created. They are not natural, male silverback gorillas do not sit around wondering if they are female. Our closest genetic cousin, the chimpanzee, doesn't sit around wondering if they are "cisgender" or "transgender". We created the problem by refusing to acknowledge basic biology then further failing to provide masculine and feminine role models for young immature homo sapiens to identify with.
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By Fenrir.Sylow 2013-11-12 08:30:18
The bathroom argument tends to baffle me because people who claim men and women absolutely must be restroom segregated because men will rape women if using the same facilities are often the sort to say actual rape victims are ***, or lying, or were asking for it, and so on.
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By Lakshmi.Saevel 2013-11-12 08:32:37
The bathroom argument tends to baffle me because people who claim men and women absolutely must be restroom segregated because men will rape women if using the same facilities are often the sort to say actual rape victims are ***, or lying, or were asking for it, and so on.
There will be very little actual rape taking place. The problem is it creates perfect opportunities for someone to claim rape with absolutely no way for the defendant to prove their innocence. Don't make me post that youtube video of those girls falsely accusing the taxicab driver. So unless you start putting video camera's in all these unisex bathrooms there will be a sh!t ton of problems created.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2013-11-12 08:35:21
The bathroom argument tends to baffle me because people who claim men and women absolutely must be restroom segregated because men will rape women if using the same facilities are often the sort to say actual rape victims are ***, or lying, or were asking for it, and so on.
There will be very little actual rape taking place. The problem is it creates perfect opportunities for someone to claim rape with absolutely no way for the defendant to prove their innocence. Don't make me post that youtube video of those girls falsely accusing the taxicab driver. I didn't even think of that.
Yeah, it would be easier to falsely claim rape against your opposite gender boss if you know he is super rich.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2013-11-12 08:37:21
you use the Kim Kardashian thing too much. The fact your argument was invalidated by a popularity poll of presidents within the conservative community only reinforces how weak your argument was. So you ought to just let it go. Cause that just reinforces the notion you are bitter. In case you are forgetting, you use said popularity poll to justify effectiveness of a president. Which is 2 completely different things.
But keep thinking that it does justify. It just shows what an idiot you really are.
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By Lakshmi.Saevel 2013-11-12 08:38:41
The bathroom argument tends to baffle me because people who claim men and women absolutely must be restroom segregated because men will rape women if using the same facilities are often the sort to say actual rape victims are ***, or lying, or were asking for it, and so on.
There will be very little actual rape taking place. The problem is it creates perfect opportunities for someone to claim rape with absolutely no way for the defendant to prove their innocence. Don't make me post that youtube video of those girls falsely accusing the taxicab driver. I didn't even think of that.
Yeah, it would be easier to falsely claim rape against your opposite gender boss if you know he is super rich.
Don't even need to bring out the rape word. Just accuse him of sexual assault. Say he fondled her breasts or something. Even if he had a secret camera and recorded it his reputation would be ruined by all the white knights jumping to defend her. According to feminism he was obviously thinking about her breasts so it's fair to say he was mentally raping her so it's justified to say he actually assaulted her. All men are rapists anyway. And they are right because they feel they are.
Anyhow this tangent can get ugly fast.
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By Ragnarok.Ashman 2013-11-12 08:45:17
I didn't like showing my body to ANYONE in school. I remember us lining up as LEANING into the urinals in like second grade because we weren't trying to let other people see our ***.
Because a diverse and tolerant world is a terrifying thought to the people that push these kinds of initiatives.
I didn't realise that 51+% of the population grew up in nudist colonies, but not wanting the opposite sex to see my *** (unless I want them to see it, or we're intimate) is "normal" to me. I had no idea that having modesty in the presence of the opposite sex was being intolerant. If that's the case I'll be happy to start ripping clothes off women everywhere while yelling at how close-minded and intolerant they are.
I don't really give a ***what sex you think you are or wish you were. I care what parts you do have now. I'm leaving the entirety of the "mental" aspect out of this. Physically you have an innie and I have an outie. Society (normal society, not this BARBARIC AND INTOLERANT MASS OF IGNORANT PLEBS) has always had it be decent that you don't show the male ends to the females and vice versa. Just like women feel this pressure to present a certain image to men, men feel the same in reverse.
I would rather have a gay man see my bits and pieces than anything that was born female. To me it's not about "does this being want to *** me", it's "does my mind naturally assume this is a mate for me?". My nature is that the opposite sex judges me as a suitable mate, and my natural self-consciousness (and thinking all people will magically become ambivalent to their self-image) is ignorant. Inconveniencing the majority to suit the "wants" (not needs) of the grossly vast minority is equally stupid. One in 100 people feel silly going into the bathroom they're supposed to so let's infringe on the rights of the 99.
Got it.
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By Lakshmi.Saevel 2013-11-12 09:15:38
Quote: My nature is that the opposite sex judges me as a suitable mate, and my natural self-consciousness (and thinking all people will magically become ambivalent to their self-image) is ignorant.
And this would make you a normal homo sapiens male. Your supposed to react that way to the opposite gender, just like every one of your ancestors has for the past few millenia.
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By Fenrir.Sylow 2013-11-12 09:31:13
That is inaccurate, as nonbinary gender concepts have been around as long as anyone can tell in many non-Western societies. See: hijra, two-spirit, etc.
Restrictions based strictly on karotype have problems anyway. What bathroom does an XY female use? XX male? XO? XXY? Pretty sure the XY female issue has come up in the Olympics before.
What do we do with people with AIS that appear one sex then develop the secondary characteristics of the other?
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2013-11-12 09:45:21
That is inaccurate, as nonbinary gender concepts have been around as long as anyone can tell in many non-Western societies. See: hijra, two-spirit, etc.
Restrictions based strictly on karotype have problems anyway. What bathroom does an XY female use? XX male? XO? XXY? Pretty sure the XY female issue has come up in the Olympics before.
What do we do with people with AIS that appear one sex then develop the secondary characteristics of the other? What are you suggesting? We have separate bathrooms for those with XXY or XO chromosomes? Most people with either of those wouldn't know they had it until it is diagnosed...
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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2013-11-12 09:45:47
you're saying there is not an adverse attitude toward trans people then? And accusing me of ignoring reality?
I am saying there is a prevailing adverse attitude. I've never said there wasn't. I'm actually saying there is even a prevailing adverse attitude with respect to trans people within the LG community.
People read what they want to read for the sake of their egos and arguments it appears. Especially on the internet.
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By Fenrir.Sylow 2013-11-12 09:50:40
I was redponding to Saevel not you.
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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2013-11-12 09:51:26
I was redponding to Saevel not you.
Oh.. sorry. ^_^
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By Bismarck.Annalise 2013-11-12 09:57:08
I always think it is interesting that a young boy who identifies as a boy is taken at face value and no one questions it (as it should be).
However, when a young boy identifies as transgender (or feeling that he is in fact a girl trapped in a boys body) people often say "you're young! How can you know anything!" (this has been asserted in this thread)
I guess people only take children at their word when they agree with them, huh?
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By Lakshmi.Saevel 2013-11-12 09:58:51
That is inaccurate, as nonbinary gender concepts have been around as long as anyone can tell in many non-Western societies. See: hijra, two-spirit, etc.
Restrictions based strictly on karotype have problems anyway. What bathroom does an XY female use? XX male? XO? XXY? Pretty sure the XY female issue has come up in the Olympics before.
What do we do with people with AIS that appear one sex then develop the secondary characteristics of the other?
This is the sh!t I'm talking about here. Genetics in homo-sapiens is binary, period, end of story. Nature solved this problem for us.
No such thing as XO for us, that's a different animal. XXY is a genetic disorder and non-functional, they can't reproduce. XYY is another mutation that produces a slightly hyper-masculine individual, unlike the rest of the mutations, they can actually reproduce. The second Y chromosome is ignored entirely during sexual reproduction. There are a few more extremely rare genetic disorders that have three to four X chromosomes, it produces a sterile female with some serious medical complications.
This is the problem with you liberals, you create social cause's to get voters. All this bullsh!t talk about gender and your attempts to turn a mental disorder involving identity fantasies and escapism into a social cause is just that, bullsh!t. There is no dynamic to gender, no flexible scale that can be used abstractly to qualify everyone. With incredibly few exceptions you are either male or female.
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By Caitsith.Zahrah 2013-11-12 10:00:52
I was redponding to Saevel not you.
Oh.. sorry. ^_^
Got me too. Blocking people leads to misinterpretation on my part. :/
So, has the guy who can't count to fourteen and thinks of menstruation and fertility as a mythical, mystical unicorn brought up the "All Western women feminazis!" song and dance yet?
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By Bismarck.Annalise 2013-11-12 10:04:38
That is inaccurate, as nonbinary gender concepts have been around as long as anyone can tell in many non-Western societies. See: hijra, two-spirit, etc.
Restrictions based strictly on karotype have problems anyway. What bathroom does an XY female use? XX male? XO? XXY? Pretty sure the XY female issue has come up in the Olympics before.
What do we do with people with AIS that appear one sex then develop the secondary characteristics of the other?
This is the sh!t I'm talking about here. Genetics in homo-sapiens is binary, period, end of story. Nature solved this problem for us.
No such thing as XO for us, that's a different animal. XXY is a genetic disorder and non-functional, they can't reproduce. XYY is another mutation that produces a slightly hyper-masculine individual, unlike the rest of the mutations, they can actually reproduce. The second Y chromosome is ignored entirely during sexual reproduction. There are a few more extremely rare genetic disorders that have three to four X chromosomes, it produces a sterile female with some serious medical complications.
This is the problem with you liberals, you create social cause's to get voters. All this bullsh!t talk about gender and your attempts to turn a mental disorder involving identity fantasies and escapism into a social cause is just that, bullsh!t. There is no dynamic to gender, no flexible scale that can be used abstractly to qualify everyone. With incredibly few exceptions you are either male or female.
Actually, Papua New Guinea has a third gender due to 5-alpha reductase or guevedoces having a really high prevalence. That's actually an intersex or pseudohermaphroditism condition. Just throwing that out there...
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By Lakshmi.Saevel 2013-11-12 10:05:38
That is inaccurate, as nonbinary gender concepts have been around as long as anyone can tell in many non-Western societies. See: hijra, two-spirit, etc.
Restrictions based strictly on karotype have problems anyway. What bathroom does an XY female use? XX male? XO? XXY? Pretty sure the XY female issue has come up in the Olympics before.
What do we do with people with AIS that appear one sex then develop the secondary characteristics of the other? What are you suggesting? We have separate bathrooms for those with XXY or XO chromosomes? Most people with either of those wouldn't know they had it until it is diagnosed...
XO isn't even human and XXY would be mentally HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE. The only functional mutation is XYY where a second Y chromosome gets copied from the father.
Anyhow it's talking about the LGBT sponsored concept of trans-sexuality where your sexuality is whatever you want it to be and there are no labels or definitions for it. It's escapism in it's purest form, by denying labels you can deny the responsibility and association of those labels. It's socially approved hedonism. If it makes you feel *special* or *good* to be homosexual on Mondays then that is what you are, if you want to be heterosexual on Wednesdays then you can do that too. Any combination of any sexuality is approved under their system because there is no limit and no responsibility.
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By Fenrir.Sylow 2013-11-12 10:07:08
That is inaccurate, as nonbinary gender concepts have been around as long as anyone can tell in many non-Western societies. See: hijra, two-spirit, etc.
Restrictions based strictly on karotype have problems anyway. What bathroom does an XY female use? XX male? XO? XXY? Pretty sure the XY female issue has come up in the Olympics before.
What do we do with people with AIS that appear one sex then develop the secondary characteristics of the other? What are you suggesting? We have separate bathrooms for those with XXY or XO chromosomes? Most people with either of those wouldn't know they had it until it is diagnosed...
No, but the point is that when it comes to sex, gender, sexuality things are messy and annoying but conservatives like their binaries because they're easy to understand. But even at the fundamental level of karotype, biology is throwing curve balls.
Pick a sexually dimorphic non-haplodiploid motile animal species and you will find at least male members of that species which either show a female phenotype, act' "out of role", or both, with biological importance to that species.
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By Lakshmi.Saevel 2013-11-12 10:07:35
Bismarck.Annalise said: » pseudohermaphroditism
You realize that's like making a 3rd "gender" for people with down syndrome right so they don't feel left out.
That's a genetic disorder and they tend to be sterile.
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Calif. Transgender Law Repeal Will Qualify
Quote: SAN FRANCISCO (AP) — Opponents of a new California law that gives transgender students certain rights said Sunday that they had collected enough signatures for an initiative that would repeal the law.
A coalition of conservative groups called Privacy for all Students submitted 620,000 signatures to get the initiative on the November 2014 ballot, said Frank Schubert, the political strategist handling the signature gathering effort.
To qualify, at least 505,000 valid signatures must be submitted. To verify the signatures, each of California’s 58 counties will first check that the overall count is correct, then conduct a random sampling to make sure they are legitimate. After that, it is likely the state would order a full review.
If, after all of the reviews, the group has the requisite number of valid signatures, the initiative would qualify for the ballot.
“Many people said we had no chance to collect over half a million signatures in just 90 days, but we have proven them wrong by gathering over 115,000 more signatures than the minimum needed,” Gina Gleason of the group Faith and Public Policy, said in a statement.
California is the first state to pass a law detailing the rights of transgender K-12 students.
One of the provisions gives transgender students the choice of playing on either boys or girls sports teams. It also allows them to choose which restroom that want to use.
Gov. Jerry Brown signed the law, AB1266, in September. It goes into effect Jan. 1.
The goal of the law is to reduce discrimination against transgender students.
John O’Connor, executive director of Equality California, the organization that co-sponsored the transgender student law, said he was alarmed by the initiative effort.
“Protecting this law is our number one priority, and we will put everything we’ve got into it,” O’Connor said, adding that he believes public opinion is opposed to discrimination against LGBT people.
The effort to repeal the law got a boost last month when the National Organization for Marriage, which organized the 2008 ballot initiative that outlawed gay marriage in California, joined the effort.
Schubert, who helped organize the signature push, previously led successful campaigns to block same-sex marriage in Maine and North Carolina.
Supporters of the repeal effort argue the law violates the privacy of non-transgender students.
They said 400,000 of the signatures gathered were done by volunteers, as opposed to 220,000 collected by paid staff.
“It shows the degree of opposition that exists to opening the most vulnerable areas of public schools to the opposite sex,” Karen England of Capitol Resources Institute, a coalition member, said in a statement.
This whole story reminds me of the scene from Gun Hill Road, and the transgender student takes the key to the girls restroom everytime and the teacher lectures her parents about it.
I'm perfectly fine with this so long as they are formally diagnosed transgenders(regarding the restroom issue). I'm wondering if K-12 institutions can request that information from their physician or if it falls under patient confidentiality? If anyone could shed light on that- much appreciated :)
I think it's awesome about the sports teams, I think they should apply it to non-trans students too. I knew several girls who wanted to play on the wrestling team in HS and they had the size to back it up.
Quite sad that Veterans Day in California has turned into a rally against transgenders.
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