[Dev] Delve Updates, Holding Times & Bosses

Well put.

XIs learning system isn't that bad but its the players who almost always universally make things more difficult than it needs to be. Seriously, how hard is it to listen to the guy/gal reading off BG/wiki what to do?

Introducing content to someone new is as simple as explaining *** (or them doing some reading) and then applying the same strats used at other events. Most of the reason why some people suck is because:

A. They aren't using macros. (not even the basic SE ***is unacceptable)
B. They want to play in a lone wolf (i do what i like) fashion rather than listening to orders. (told to cure after X, is busy casting useless ***during X)
C. They are incapable of listening. (dude what are you doing???)
D. They can't memorize what 5-6 TP moves do. (wot does gates of hades do again lol??)
E. Being severely undergeared or not using the proper food. (NQ Emp gear, fulltiming full VW sets etc.)
F. The alliance hasn't sufficiently prepared them for the encounter. (WHY ARENT YOU DOING WHAT I TELEPATHICALLY TOLD YOU DO?)

If you can manage to scoop your brain off the floor and plop it into your cranial socket you can do 99.9% of what FFXI has to offer without being a "noob" at it. This game doesn't have positioning tricks, needing to dodge fireballs of death or huge amounts of active thinking: It's all about following a script - a script the alliance leader should clearly explain before spawning ***.

The answer was given. If you want to become a better player do some research on AH.com, BGwiki, and ffxiclopedia. Look at gear sets for the job you like. See what others are doing as far as situational gear.

It would also help to complete other content before jumping into end game. This will allow a person to better understand their job's capabilities as well as prepare gear wise.

I'm relatively new to FFXI (started in 2011) and still have a lot of content to go through. I just so happen to be in an ls with some good people and met up with another ls that's been gracious enough to have me along.

If a person simply starts a job aby levels to 99, halfass gears, and tries to join they're going to fail or at the very least be a burden on a group. Research, run content, ask questions, learn a job, gear, profit.

Question wasn't for me, it was a general question. The point was that everyone *** when mediocre players do events that the elite players think only they`re entitled to.

Reading about stuff is good yes, teaches you a lot, but you still have to do it in real time.

Most casual players don't even know these site exist, much less their content. Most of the better informed players would rather sit there and rain negative comments and snark at the knowledgeable players rather then take the considerable time to teach them. Or should we go into the dark abyssea that is the BG media forums and start pulling some of those links out. You know the ones where they make fun of everyone, or even the OF thread where the site mods were encouraging them to troll other players. The place where getting banned from the OF for being excessively rude or insulting was considered a badge of honor.

We take things like macros and stat values for granted but honestly most players have no f*cking clue what they all mean. There is nothing in the game that actually teaches you how to use the UI nor how to conduct combat and gear yourself. Essentially there is no tutorial newbie area like other MMO's have. Most other MMO's have an entry level quest area where the NPCs hold your hand and teach you basic skills required to play the game. By the time your finished with the intro quests and basic leveling in the newbie zone you've gained enough player knowledge to go out and do things on your own. For FFXI it's "here's a dagger and a scroll of Dia, go make something of yourself".

And we wonder why so many players don't know how to play the game.

People who often suck often fall into one of the six pits I mentioned above. There are elite players who don't gearswap and there are gimps who feel listening is optional. If someone asks questions, listens well and is capable of memorizing some TP moves after being prepped will almost always do a passable job at content. Further repetition should only make them better.

It's the people who you tell "Don't run in during X,Y,Z moment" who then turn around and do the same ***you just clearly said not to do who are hopeless.

Tried giving advice to people(in a very educated and friendly manner, I even put the effort of typing ^^)and all I got was insults and "I know my job shut the *** up or leave" as replies. Sometimes people just refuse to learn.

I wasn't trying to attack you on that, if I came off that way I apologize.

I feel you only read the first paragraph and decided to comment. I explained that a person may want to explore content, learn their job, and not focus on getting into end game before they're ready.

Mediocre and below type players, to me, doesn't simply mean they're gear gimped. It means they know little to nothing about their job and therefor are a liability in a party. Imagine a WAR with great gear, ukon, hell a new AH weapon, that completely sucks and knows nothing of their abilities. Do you really want that person in your party?

Mediocre is also a crap skilled player, as in their actual skills aren't capped. Even if a person doesn't read ah.com of a wiki, they could at least go out and learn their abilities in small groups outside of aby.

That's usually the minority of players depending on how you worded it. I've helped a ton of people get macros straight and do proper gear builds for their jobs. Most don't have a firm enough grasp of math to understand fSTR / ratio / cratio and pDiff though so trying to explain "why" something is better is sometimes hard.
Actually, I've found that the "I know my job" types are old school elite players who haven't kept up with the times. I vividly remember one time on vent where I tried explaining to an Aegis PLD the how /RDM would be better then /WAR against targets things like Dark Ixion (back when that was all the rage). I got yelled at and called some stuff. Month or two later the guy starts talking to others about how awesome /RDM was for building hate (the old Bind / Blind type spam). I never got a thank you from that. I've seen that happen from everyone from support crew to high end DD's. Though honestly it's really hard to screw up MNK and SAM.

Hard but not impossible I still laugh at the time a mnk main was telling people to stack kick attack over all other stats and Afflictors was the best weapon in game.

/facepalm we still laugh when we here someone say afflictors....

Some of my favorite people are the types who ask for r/e/m and don't even have one of their own. It is even worse when they don't have a clue what they're doing and wont listen to other players. There are some people who wont learn.

I hope to see less r/e/m requests, but unfortunately that'll be replaced by "delve weapons + upgrades or gtfo" >.>

Lol, leader of the ls I was in when VW came out was a nin with no Kannagi/Kikoku and would go shouting for empy/relic dds ONLY. Made me facepalm, telling him maybe you should get naked while you shout that! Demanding something out of others when you're not putting that very effort yourself is a bit silly.

Already happening its D weapons or gtfo....

Well, that didn't take long. Wonder if those same people have delve weapons or even a r/e/m. My gil is on they don't.

I will take a "casual" player who listens, and is open minded, over a veteran who is stubborn anything.

We had a guy wearing xux pants at Achuka yesterday. To me, there is no reason to ever tp in these things so I asked the guy if he was just excited about his new piece.
He proceeded to explain to me exactly which pieces he'd rather have, and why. To me that kid was a saint and I should have flisted him so I could remember to help him get that ***.

I was told of a NNI shout on our server the other night where the group was at 5/6 and wanted a corsair. The stipulation for the lucky sixth was that they needed an afterglow Armageddon.

It's one thing to shout for R/E/M only (or now Delve weapons), but it's just a little unrealistic to shout for R/E/M lv99 with afterglow. Maybe he was just kidding, but I honestly don't know...

I started playing this game a year ago, so in comparison to most of yall, I'm still a small fry. Granted I had a SMALL advantage going in since my husband plays as well. Small, because he hates playing mages, so I was pretty much on my own there.

I would like to take into consideration that some folks are not learners who can read and grasp stuff easily. They have to actually be hands-on. I'm 50% hands-on and 25-30% reader (the other 20% is auditory if you didn't know; but sometimes language barriers make it hard to listen to someone, which is why I'm glad for the auto-translate here). So while it's easy for me to read something and get a grasp of it, I need to actually play with things to see how they work.

In cases like the Delve NM's (which, even though I main one of the more used jobs in the game, have never done before or after the adjustment, but my husband has done the turtle I think it was and it took em nearly 2 hours to kill it), I don't get why 20 minutes. Voidwatch gets 30, and the only boss that I've done so far that justifies that 30 minutes is Pil, and even so, if you can't kill Pil in 30 minutes, the alli's a fail anyways. Something like this, where it takes nearly 2 hours to down a boss, and that's with a competent alli, should've gotten a longer time limit, if they couldn't keep it as is.

The kicker is that now some people will shout for Delve weapon only to beat these guys, when from my understanding in order to get these weapons in the first place is to get a KI. I dunno about anyone else, but I play this game to try and better myself, through gear or other means.

But still...why the hell does VW, which can be done with a half-competent alli with items to weaken the NM's within 10 minutes; have a 30-minute limit, whereas Delve, which practically REQUIRES you to be on your q's and t's (or something like that) gets 20 minutes. I dun get the logic behind that.

I'll pass on the PUP nitpick as it's just childish and HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE at this point. You got the point anyway, you're just awful at swallowing.

Specific roles? You need a DD right? That's one role that many jobs can fill. Many. Some better than others, but practically any job considered a DD can do over the minimum needed to clear any content this game offer. If you haven't realized that yet, I don't know what to tell you.
Carrying has always been a part of FFXI in any event. I remember parsing 50+% on Odin back at 75 as SAM against relic DRK among other things. Did we fire all of them? Of course we didn't, even though we had a couple close calls due to this.

Delve is no exception. There is not a single event in FFXI history that needed every single slot of a party or alliance to be filled properly. None. From there, the logical conclusion is that yes, you can allow yourself to have someone come on a less than optimal DD to any event, period.

If you can understand carrying and the fact that it is doable in any event this game offer, then I don't see how you can't accept the fact that there will always be carriers and carried which by logic allows for margin of error and therefore, allow people to come as anything to anything.

I take PUP to Delve NMs all the time when I'm not forced into going COR (because no one else has COR levelled now that they have Delve Weapons)

With 8 songs and COR rolls up it basically functions as a MNK with a robotic slightly mentally deficient WHM slave

For raw plasm farming PUP is incredible

I like how this thread turn into "I got the KI therefore I like SE *** block(20 mins timer) the less fortunate ones to take a shot winning, then go on give *** reason; oh if you take that long then your group is not geared for it while 99% of the *** that got KI before the update take longer than 20 mins to kill(morph being the exception). the other *** reason of congestion, there must be hundred and thousand of invisible people waiting on the ??? to do a pop in your server. I know Asura people like to read /yell and /shout log more than actually farming those new NM.

Asura's /yell and /sh log can be quite entertaining at times.

BTW, did anyone donate that 1.5 mil gil to ya yet?

its 999k, but the answer is yes but I didn't accept it. actually a few people did hit the accept button but I hit the cancel button.

Seeing as Mothra can be killed easily in under 15 minutes
And it gives access to H2H
And MNK is the only melee job that actually matterrs

I don't see what's stopping you!

I had the KI, but it doesn't mean it is ok to *** block others with a 20min timer.

I'll reiterate it for you


If your referring to the NM fights then your being carried by other players. If your only talking about plasm farming then your taking up a valuable buffed DD spot from a real DD and lowering your overall plasm gain rate. In either case change back to COR so a real DD can come.

PUP is by design a gimp 3rd rate DD. You have on offensive JA's and not as much MA as MNKs get with no other offensive JTs. You are supposed to make up for it with your robot, unfortunately NONE of those 8 songs and 2 rolls can be applied to your robot so they end up just a fashion accessory.

anyways, I still don't have a wamoura/gnat KI. I just want my stupid silly broken tier weapons :( give gimps a chance guys, iwagami asked politely you know!!