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By Blazed1979 2013-04-14 16:55:15
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I pretty much see people being *** as a part of growing up. Not everyone will always be nice to you, not everyone will like you. That's life, deal with it. People call you names? Tell them to *** off and move on.
I do know that it's not always that easy, but just acting like the victim for the rest of your life isn't doing any good for you either.

That being said i really never witnessed people taking it to a physical level of bullying in my schooltime. People would start fights from time to time, and if it was more serious ***, the school would take action on it. A group of people or a bully beating someone up? They'd get their *** kicked so hard and so fast <.<

Then again stuff like racism/homophobia were generally not tolerated in the schools i went to

If more people would teach their children how to be decent people and not to treat others like ***, this world would be a happier place i guess. Since that's not going to happen any time soon, i think some people seriously need to grow a tougher skin

And this vibe of 'an eye for an eye' in this thread is really creeping me out btw >.>

"The world aint all sunshines and rainbows."

1. People who standby and allow bullies to bully are as guilty, or worse in my opinion, as the actual bully.
Why? There could be something fundamentally wrong with the bully. He/she might have "issues" mentally and be prone to violence. they might come from a home where all they've known is domination and bullying.

But what about the rest of society that doesn't share said bully's background and "issues"?

Watching and doing nothing is just as bad.

If you're in a position to stop a bully's behavior, then you are obliged to. Even if you're NOT the one being bullied.

Now if you're uncomfortable with taking action and actually doing some good for the world, then get the fek out of the way and stfu - because your "eye for an eye" speech does nothing but give a bully more space to maneuver because he/she sure as hell probably doesn't give others the same consideration.

EDIT: You think a bully is going to suddenly one day wake up and think "wut have I been doing?" without some ramifications and intervention?

You wanna do the bully a favor? bring their *** back down to earth. teach them to feel compassion by making them experience the torment they put others through. Humble a *** and make em feel pain so they never want that same pain inflicted on others.

Or keep them ignorant of it and see just how far they go.
Lolwut <.< how the hell did you get out of my post that i would stand by and let anything happen? I've been bullied in school and i was and will still be the first one to say anything if someone is just being a *** for no reason. All i said is that something like this will happen to almost anyone at some point in their life and it's usually not the end of the world, unless you're making it the centre of your life.
Your 'eye for an eye' ***does nothing in the end. It just makes the whole cycle complete.
And a lot of people actually look back on the shitty things they've done when they were younger and feel ashamed. I don't think a beating makes anyone realize oh hey maybe i should become a better person lol

How old are you? I'm not asking that in a demeaning way.

I'm 33. I've known a lot of bullies and victims. I don't want to get into what I've seen and what has manifested, but I can tell you this: You grow up and you get to see what lack of corrective action creates.
I will say the following though:

One school bully in particular who never gave me any trouble and was just way too dangerous to confront ended up being a rapist. He raped a girl in front of her boyfriend while his friend filmed it.

Another beat a cab driver to death with a cricket batt outside his parents house.

Another was stabbed to death in montreal in 2003.

It doesn't end well... for anyone. Sooner or later, their unchecked behavior leads to consequences that effect a family and a community.


EDIT: Oh there was also this steroid monkey who was a senior when I was a freshman, who ended up knocking my own little brother out in a club 10 years later. Consequently he's no longer in the country. I had his *** deported back to Syria. Where he can have a front row seat and watch the revolution.
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By Bismarck.Nahhhhhhhhhhhhh 2013-04-14 16:58:53
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I'm sure it's happened before, but I wouldn't say one incident means it's common. I personally don't know of any transgender people that were in any of my schools.

LGBT kids got teased a bit in school, but none of them ever got beat up or stabbed or something. They had their friend groups just like everyone else had theirs. People didn't get bullied in my school for that.
You're kinda missing my point here. This isn't about frequency or if it becomes physical. This is about how the bullying can lead to a psychological/traumatic experience.

Doesn't matter if it's a chubby girl who get's called a porker and goes on to develop anorexia. Or a gay guy who hangs himself because he gets outed on Facebook.
What? You asked me how I'd deal with it, I'm telling you I don't know and gave you reasons as to why I can't sympathize with that particular example, lol.
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By Fenrir.Camiie 2013-04-14 17:01:03
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What's almost worse to me than the bullies are the sycophantic sheep that follow them around and back them up when someone needs to be tormented or beaten. And even worse than them, which almost seems impossible, are the random people online who see someone getting kicked around and pile on for no discernible reason at all.

I mean it's one thing to be a bully and there's nothing good or redeeming about being one, but to actively support and enable a bully or join in on a total stranger being bullied is to teeter on the edge of depravity.

It's just so frustrating that bullies and similar d-bags seem to be the ones with all the friends and support in the world. I guess everyone loves a "winner." If anything could possibly limit bullying it'd be bullies losing their bullying support systems, but sadly too many people can't get past their base animal instincts and mindlessly side with the "alpha" no matter what sort of person he or she is.
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By Odin.Headstrong 2013-04-14 17:04:16
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How old are you? I'm not asking that in a demeaning way.

I'm 33. I've known a lot of bullies and victims. I don't want to get into what I've seen and what has manifested, but I can tell you this: You grow up and you get to see what lack of corrective action creates.
I will say the following though:

One school bully in particular who never gave me any trouble and was just way too dangerous to confront ended up being a rapist. He raped a girl in front of her boyfriend while his friend filmed it.

Another beat a cab driver to death with a cricket batt outside his parents house.

Another was stabbed to death in montreal in 2003.

It doesn't end well... for anyone. Sooner or later, their unchecked behavior leads to consequences that effect a family and a community.
I'm 27 .-. I just don't believe that it's this certain group of people that is bound to forever be the bad guys, that's it i guess. Also i believe we're talking about different levels of this kind of ***anyway. Like i said, maybe i was lucky, but i've never seen more than the 'regular' dickbags in school.
Still violence doesn't solve violence.
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By Blazed1979 2013-04-14 17:05:31
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What's almost worse to me than the bullies are the sycophantic sheep that follow them around and back them up when someone needs to be tormented or beaten. And even worse than them, which almost seems impossible, are the random people online who see someone getting kicked around and pile on for no discernible reason at all.

I mean it's one thing to be a bully and there's nothing good or redeeming about being one, but to actively support and enable a bully or join in on a total stranger being bullied is to teeter on the edge of depravity.

It's just so frustrating that bullies and similar d-bags seem to be the ones with all the friends and support in the world. I guess everyone loves a "winner." If anything could possibly limit bullying it'd be bullies losing their bullying support systems, but sadly too many people can't get past their base animal instincts and mindlessly side with the "alpha" no matter what sort of person he or she is.

They will scatter when you take out the Alpha. They're the easiest ones to deal with because they're the weakest. seeking protection from the alpha male and needing to belong to a flock.

Rule #1: Kick the biggest one's a$$.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2013-04-14 17:05:44
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Still violence doesn't solve violence.
I agree. But I think opinions are 50% split on this matter.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2013-04-14 17:07:59
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Rule #1: Kick the biggest one's a$$.
I'm not kung-fu panda, how would I go about defeating a group? I should wait for the leader to be isolated and try to assault him?(quite psychotic) He would just come back later with the rest of the pack and beat me to a pulp.
I don't see how fighting can solve it in such case.
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By Blazed1979 2013-04-14 17:12:03
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How old are you? I'm not asking that in a demeaning way.

I'm 33. I've known a lot of bullies and victims. I don't want to get into what I've seen and what has manifested, but I can tell you this: You grow up and you get to see what lack of corrective action creates.
I will say the following though:

One school bully in particular who never gave me any trouble and was just way too dangerous to confront ended up being a rapist. He raped a girl in front of her boyfriend while his friend filmed it.

Another beat a cab driver to death with a cricket batt outside his parents house.

Another was stabbed to death in montreal in 2003.

It doesn't end well... for anyone. Sooner or later, their unchecked behavior leads to consequences that effect a family and a community.
I'm 27 .-. I just don't believe that it's this certain group of people that is bound to forever be the bad guys, that's it i guess. Also i believe we're talking about different levels of this kind of ***anyway. Like i said, maybe i was lucky, but i've never seen more than the 'regular' dickbags in school.
Still violence doesn't solve violence.

Measured and proportionate violence does indeed solve many things.
I'm not saying beat them down with the intention of doing permanent damage, or getting a kick out of it and becoming the bully yourself.

Demonstrate self worth. Stand up for yourself. If you have to counter violence, do it with violence. Either that or pull some home alone / goonies booby trap ***lol.
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By Blazed1979 2013-04-14 17:14:47
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Rule #1: Kick the biggest one's a$$.
I'm not kung-fu panda, how would I go about defeating a group? I should wait for the leader to be isolated and try to assault him?(quite psychotic) He would just come back later with the rest of the pack and beat me to a pulp.
I don't see how fighting can solve it in such case.

You don't attack the ring leader when they're alone. I didn't say fight and win. I said aim for the biggest one and make sure you damage them, hurt them. You don't need to win, but you need to leave some residue and some markings that demonstrate you're not prey and you're not going to roll over.

If they have a gun, a knife, are known to be criminals - let it go, apologize, move on. Seek professional help. But if they're normal people who just like to push you around, shock their reality. Hurt the big one.

EDIT: Use a rock, a batt, a stick, a bottle - protect yourself, aim for the big one and make him hurt.

Note: there's a huge difference between a thug and a bully. I am by no means encouraging you walk outside your house and go to your local gang leader's house and toss a rock at him... no.
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By Bahamut.Baconwrap 2013-04-14 17:19:45
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Rule #1: Kick the biggest one's a$$.
I'm not kung-fu panda, how would I go about defeating a group? I should wait for the leader to be isolated and try to assault him?(quite psychotic) He would just come back later with the rest of the pack and beat me to a pulp.
I don't see how fighting can solve it in such case.

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By Caitsith.Zahrah 2013-04-14 17:24:58
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Strange this topic came about, last night when the BF and I were gabbing, he revealed to us that he had a gun to his head in HS due to bullying that got out of hand while he was trying to defend a friend who was defending some female friends of theirs.

Is it because of a loss of "fight" protocol and a lack of an adolescent "right of passage" that situations like internet bullying occur and intensify? People know it's a no-holds-barred atmosphere?
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By Blazed1979 2013-04-14 17:25:59
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lol you could always do jiu jitsu or systema. within 3 months of training you would be able to kick the average man's *** no matter how physically small/petite you are. Jiu Jitsu is the fastest way to stop being anyone's target.
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By Lakshmi.Watusa 2013-04-14 17:35:07
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lol you could always do jiu jitsu or systema. within 3 months of training you would be able to kick the average man's *** no matter how physically small/petite you are. Jiu Jitsu is the fastest way to stop being anyone's target.

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By Bismarck.Nahhhhhhhhhhhhh 2013-04-14 18:00:44
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Tl;dr
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By Garuda.Chanti 2013-04-14 18:08:01
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TLDR:

When people commit suicide over cyber bullying IT HAS GONE WAY TOO FAR.

And why do the police, in both the US and Canada wait till the victim commits suicide to prosecute the offenders?

Full disclosure: I was bullied from grade school through college (and somewhat in the workforce through the 1990s). But the internet wasn't invented back then. So NO ONE WHO WASN'T INVOLVED KNEW ABOUT IT.

Today the offenders can post their triumphs to the whole world.

Meaning today its WAY MASS DIFFERENT.

Yeah... just boys having fun... ignore it....
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By Bismarck.Nahhhhhhhhhhhhh 2013-04-14 18:11:24
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TLDR:

When people commit suicide over cyber bullying IT HAS GONE WAY TOO FAR.

And why do the police, in both the US and Canada wait till the victim commits suicide to prosecute the offenders?

Full disclosure: I was bullied from grade school through college (and somewhat in the workforce through the 1990s). But the internet wasn't invented back then. So NO ONE WHO WASN'T INVOLVED KNEW ABOUT IT.

Today the offenders can post their triumphs to the whole world.

Meaning today its WAY MASS DIFFERENT.

Yeah... just boys having fun... ignore it....
They didn't prosecute the offenders in the topic that's in the OP because the chick said they raped her, but in the end it was thrown out because it ended up just being her embarrassed about people finding out she had a train ran on her.

Since she tried to kill herself and then was taken off life support, the parents are pushing the feds to investigate again. Supposedly, a witness came forward and one of the guys in the picture outed the dude that took them. So that's why the case is being re-opened.

That's how I understand it anyways.
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By Bahamut.Serj 2013-04-14 18:18:32
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Alright ive seen everything Nahhhh has been saying and im pretty sick of him.
Ive been bullied on here and in rl.

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By Bismarck.Bloodrose 2013-04-14 18:19:07
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Nahhhhhhhhh, The information about the girl you described on page 5 is incorrect. Most of what happened were rumors that were investigated, and proven to be false. Was she in bad company that night?

She was a Straight A Student across the board, involved in atleast 2 clubs. Was she in bad company that night? You bet. However, YOU are saying (not in so many words, based on lies and slander) that because of her supposed past behavior, she deserved to be raped. She went to a party with friends, got drunk, passed out. 4 boys then proceeded to violate her physically, without consent, take pictures, and then distribute it among their friends, their facebook page, and even went so far as to make a hateful facebook page about her, which rallied the entire school against her.

A drunken person, much less a minor, can not legally give informed consent to sex, which makes it rape, particularly when they are passed out.
These boys intentionally used cyber bullying on this girl out of some unknown spite for her, to which even her friends abandoned her. For all your utter nonsense on "getting over it", and those who agree that it's such a simple matter, pray tell how one does it, when there is no escape from something so accessible, from the malicious cruelty of the act, and the rumors which had already ruined her life. She wasn't even safe from it at home, and understandibly took the only way out she could think of.

I really hope nothing like this ever happens to you, or to anyone you know, because it is a pain that runs deep and never heals.

I am requesting a topic lock since a serious discussion at this point isnt going to happen.
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By Bismarck.Nahhhhhhhhhhhhh 2013-04-14 18:22:29
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Nahhhhhhhhh, The information about the girl you described on page 5 is incorrect. Most of what happened were rumors that were investigated, and proven to be false. Was she in bad company that night?

She was a Straight A Student across the board, involved in atleast 2 clubs. Was she in bad company that night? You bet. However, YOU are saying (not in so many words, based on lies and slander) that because of her supposed past behavior, she deserved to be raped. She went to a party with friends, got drunk, passed out. 4 boys then proceeded to violate her physically, without consent, take pictures, and then distribute it among their friends, their facebook page, and even went so far as to make a hateful facebook page about her, which rallied the entire school against her.

A drunken person, much less a minor, can not legally give informed consent to sex, which makes it rape, particularly when they are passed out.
These boys intentionally used cyber bullying on this girl out of some unknown spite for her, to which even her friends abandoned her. For all your utter nonsense on "getting over it", and those who agree that it's such a simple matter, pray tell how one does it, when there is no escape from something so accessible, from the malicious cruelty of the act, and the rumors which had already ruined her life. She wasn't even safe from it at home, and understandibly took the only way out she could think of.

I really hope nothing like this ever happens to you, or to anyone you know, because it is a pain that runs deep and never heals.

I am requesting a topic lock since a serious discussion at this point isnt going to happen.
You're right, you were there and I wasn't. I'm wrong. The pictures that are on the internet, the posts that were on her own twitter, etc. are all fake and lies.

Please tell us what happened.
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By Lakshmi.Watusa 2013-04-14 18:25:32
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Nahhhhhhhhh, The information about the girl you described on page 5 is incorrect. Most of what happened were rumors that were investigated, and proven to be false. Was she in bad company that night?

She was a Straight A Student across the board, involved in atleast 2 clubs. Was she in bad company that night? You bet. However, YOU are saying (not in so many words, based on lies and slander) that because of her supposed past behavior, she deserved to be raped. She went to a party with friends, got drunk, passed out. 4 boys then proceeded to violate her physically, without consent, take pictures, and then distribute it among their friends, their facebook page, and even went so far as to make a hateful facebook page about her, which rallied the entire school against her.

A drunken person, much less a minor, can not legally give informed consent to sex, which makes it rape, particularly when they are passed out.
These boys intentionally used cyber bullying on this girl out of some unknown spite for her, to which even her friends abandoned her. For all your utter nonsense on "getting over it", and those who agree that it's such a simple matter, pray tell how one does it, when there is no escape from something so accessible, from the malicious cruelty of the act, and the rumors which had already ruined her life. She wasn't even safe from it at home, and understandibly took the only way out she could think of.

I really hope nothing like this ever happens to you, or to anyone you know, because it is a pain that runs deep and never heals.

I am requesting a topic lock since a serious discussion at this point isnt going to happen.

Maybe she could have avoided the whole situation by not drinking alcohol under the legal age anyway. But she's a victim though right, so nevermind that.
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By Bismarck.Nahhhhhhhhhhhhh 2013-04-14 18:27:03
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Maybe she could have avoided the whole situation by not drinking alcohol under the legal age anyway. But she's a victim though right, so nevermind that.
Let's forget about the pictures where she's with guys before that night too, those are shopped.
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By Bismarck.Bloodrose 2013-04-14 18:30:18
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Nahhhhhhhhh, The information about the girl you described on page 5 is incorrect. Most of what happened were rumors that were investigated, and proven to be false. Was she in bad company that night?

She was a Straight A Student across the board, involved in atleast 2 clubs. Was she in bad company that night? You bet. However, YOU are saying (not in so many words, based on lies and slander) that because of her supposed past behavior, she deserved to be raped. She went to a party with friends, got drunk, passed out. 4 boys then proceeded to violate her physically, without consent, take pictures, and then distribute it among their friends, their facebook page, and even went so far as to make a hateful facebook page about her, which rallied the entire school against her.

A drunken person, much less a minor, can not legally give informed consent to sex, which makes it rape, particularly when they are passed out.
These boys intentionally used cyber bullying on this girl out of some unknown spite for her, to which even her friends abandoned her. For all your utter nonsense on "getting over it", and those who agree that it's such a simple matter, pray tell how one does it, when there is no escape from something so accessible, from the malicious cruelty of the act, and the rumors which had already ruined her life. She wasn't even safe from it at home, and understandibly took the only way out she could think of.

I really hope nothing like this ever happens to you, or to anyone you know, because it is a pain that runs deep and never heals.

I am requesting a topic lock since a serious discussion at this point isnt going to happen.

Maybe she could have avoided the whole situation by not drinking alcohol under the legal age anyway. But she's a victim though right, so nevermind that.
I didn't say she didn't do something incredibly irresponsible or stupid, and shouldn't have been punished for it. But what you're doing is actually condoning the fact she was raped, and then subsequently bullied for it.
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2013-04-14 18:33:45
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Drinking alcohol and hanging out with men makes this whole thing justifiable. Got it.
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By Bismarck.Nahhhhhhhhhhhhh 2013-04-14 18:34:55
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Bismarck.Bloodrose said: »
I didn't say she didn't do something incredibly irresponsible or stupid, and shouldn't have been punished for it. But what you're doing is actually condoning the fact she was raped, and then subsequently bullied for it.
If people blame drunk drivers for killing people in accidents, then why should she be any less responsible for what she did?

It wasn't rape. It was already proved not to be. She had sex with guys and said she was raped after they showed people the pictures. It happened all the time in the Navy, too. Blowing the rape whistle is an easy way for girls to get out of looking like ***.
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By Leviathan.Syagin 2013-04-14 18:39:58
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Leviathan.Syagin said: »
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Leviathan.Syagin said: »
Learn to box people im telling you it boosts your confidence and you learn to defend yourself.. i don't understand why that isn't the first thing people would not want to learn.
Because not everyone has the same interests as you?
What does interest have to do w/ knowing how to defend? that's why you cgonna always get your *** beat thinking like that.. declaw a lion and put him in the wild and take a look at the out come. whats the differance w/ a person learning how to defend?? come on lets not be silly...

I believe that it's this line of thinking that makes bullying much more of a severe thing. When you tell someone to just get over it or defend themselves, you're not only belittling the victim as much as the bully, but you're effectively telling the bully that it's okay to bully their victim by proxy. Let's not stop the people causing the bullying, let's just tell the victims to stop being so weak. That'll work, right? Unfortunately, we've all seen time and time again that it doesn't.

Also, I think we as people should realize that something easy for one of us to accomplish isn't as easy for someone else. Just because -you- can deal with something easily doesn't mean the next person can do it as easily, ya know? That doesn't mean they're weak, or you're strong. It just means you're different.

Okay... First an foremost show me where I belittled anyone, secondly I'm not justifying no one bulling anyone as a matter of fact I'm the person that's tired of having to come to the aid of the people being bullied... What you probably want to focus on is not looking to people to solve your problem for you and take an affective action to help prevent things like it because the fact remains its not going anywhere. With that said here is a real life example not that any of you care or will even attempt to apply anything that would help boost your confidence... But my two daughters were bullied and I didn't turn to the principle or the teacher to fix my problem or the powers at be... I personally taught my children to defend themselves and gave them the understanding that its not ok to bully or be bullied. Result? They are much happier they are very confident and believe it or not it translated into their grades improving. Take that how you want but I'm speaking from both direction because I personally have never been bullied and don't like to see people y'all that *** about it and do nothing get your *** whooped either.
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By Fenrir.Camiie 2013-04-14 18:56:54
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Lakshmi.Watusa said: »
Maybe she could have avoided the whole situation by not drinking alcohol under the legal age anyway. But she's a victim though right, so nevermind that.
Let's forget about the pictures where she's with guys before that night too, those are shopped.

Well, at least all those brave cyber-bullies were there to teach her a lesson and set her straight with their mature, responsible, and loving commentary about her behavior. In fact, thanks to them she'll never make the same mistake again! Aren't they great?
 Bismarck.Nahhhhhhhhhhhhh
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By Bismarck.Nahhhhhhhhhhhhh 2013-04-14 19:03:35
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Fenrir.Camiie said: »
Bismarck.Nahhhhhhhhhhhhh said: »
Lakshmi.Watusa said: »
Maybe she could have avoided the whole situation by not drinking alcohol under the legal age anyway. But she's a victim though right, so nevermind that.
Let's forget about the pictures where she's with guys before that night too, those are shopped.

Well, at least all those brave cyber-bullies were there to teach her a lesson and set her straight with their mature, responsible, and loving commentary about her behavior. In fact, thanks to them she'll never make the same mistake again! Aren't they great?
Gonna sound really cold on this one, but I don't think I'm going to miss a stoner chick that gets drunk and bones 4 guys at the same time.
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2013-04-14 19:07:16
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Yeah on that note, *** this thread.
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