April 29, 2013 Version Update
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April 29, 2013 Version Update
Stardiver In Reive soloing for fun with that new polearm from Adoulin npc
Cerberus.Conagh said: » itchi508 said: » Double Minuet, (soul voiced) 11 on Chaos + W.e 2nd roll (I prefer fighter's ~) and the DRK and WAR would have close to 2k attack on ws ~ On an attack starved WS with huge STR modifiers I could envision a 7k ws, as I see 4k consistently in normal zones without buffs. Wow imagine the damage with 3k attack! /facepalm You know what
Cerberus.Taint said: » Cerberus.Conagh said: » itchi508 said: » Double Minuet, (soul voiced) 11 on Chaos + W.e 2nd roll (I prefer fighter's ~) and the DRK and WAR would have close to 2k attack on ws ~ On an attack starved WS with huge STR modifiers I could envision a 7k ws, as I see 4k consistently in normal zones without buffs. Wow imagine the damage with 3k attack! /facepalm You know what I mean Taint ~ I would actually like to see a DRK "average" 7k ws's in an event, would be interesting, just pointing out this a fully buffed DRK / WAR not a WAR generally speaking. Besides! above screenshot from atho as LOLDRG 4k ws ~ Would like to see the proper Polearms damage myself. That 4k is probably a DA/TA. My Gungnir doesn't even do 4k consistantly on piercing weak mobs. Does about 2800-3k on neutral mobs as DRG/RDM and about 3.6k on piercing weak. Unless he DA/TA/QA'd or was /WAR, that 4k is not common by any means, especially if that's his WS gear(no phorcys etc).
I'm guessing there's no Pulling the Strings items for GEO/RUN yet right?
Ophannus said: » Resolution is not THAT great of a WS on paper. Compare Resolution to Stardiver, they're virtually the same, except Resolution has an Attack penalty. It's the jobs's JAs that use Resolution which make it powerful. When you stack Reso with minuets/chaos roll+ Souleater/Mighty Strikes/Restraint, that's what makes it do 5-6k. Reso has a 3.6 ftp and -15% attack penalty Stardiver is 3.0 ftp and no attack penalty. Polearms have better DMG rating than GS too which should be a factor. reso does 3-6k, stardiver does 1.8-3k. Its due to the buffs the jobs that use reso receive that make it boss, the WS is actually pretty meh. So it sounds like RUN doing Reso is like DRG doing Stardiver Quote: So it sounds like RUN doing Reso is like DRG doing Stardiver I said Reso has a 15% attack penalty and RUN has low base DMG greatswords right now(compared to lances) and no native attack bonus traits or JA enhancements for WS. Reso is worse than Stardiver when unbuffed but obviously better when buffed due to the higher ftp+extra hit. Since reso is a worse ws than stardiver and RUN has lower att and STR than DRG (also no phorcys) it's probably markedly worse than a DRG doing stardiver. Ophannus said: » That 4k is probably a DA/TA. My Gungnir doesn't even do 4k consistantly on piercing weak mobs. Does about 2800-3k on neutral mobs as DRG/RDM and about 3.6k on piercing weak. Unless he DA/TA/QA'd or was /WAR, that 4k is not common by any means, especially if that's his WS gear(no phorcys etc). Coalition Lance Base dmg in Reives is 157 a Gungnir 99 is 159 dunno wich one u have so <,< Was Drg/dnc btw and of course that is not the ws gear , if u can't get that numbers then u suck lols , but don't say others can't the pic is there where's your's <,< DRG isn't even my main job i only go on it when i'm bored . Cerberus.Athomik said: » Ophannus said: » That 4k is probably a DA/TA. My Gungnir doesn't even do 4k consistantly on piercing weak mobs. Does about 2800-3k on neutral mobs as DRG/RDM and about 3.6k on piercing weak. Unless he DA/TA/QA'd or was /WAR, that 4k is not common by any means, especially if that's his WS gear(no phorcys etc). Coalition Lance Base dmg in Reives is 157 a Gungnir 99 is 159 dunno wich one u have so <,< Was Drg/dnc btw and of course that is not the ws gear , if u can't get that numbers then u suck lols , but don't say others can't the pic is there where's your's <,< DRG isn't even my main job i only go on it when i'm bored . Please kill yourself...
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I hope they don't delay the Recycle update again.
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Hope this brings in RUN/GEO AF/Relic/Empyrean/Merits :(
Im gunna like being able to 5/5 resolution but not have to 5/5 two other WS's for them to be useful and lose some niche WS Cerberus.Athomik said: » Ophannus said: » That 4k is probably a DA/TA. My Gungnir doesn't even do 4k consistantly on piercing weak mobs. Does about 2800-3k on neutral mobs as DRG/RDM and about 3.6k on piercing weak. Unless he DA/TA/QA'd or was /WAR, that 4k is not common by any means, especially if that's his WS gear(no phorcys etc). Coalition Lance Base dmg in Reives is 157 a Gungnir 99 is 159 dunno wich one u have so <,< Was Drg/dnc btw and of course that is not the ws gear , if u can't get that numbers then u suck lols , but don't say others can't the pic is there where's your's <,< DRG isn't even my main job i only go on it when i'm bored . Kindly, shut up. You probably suck at everything, you galkan piece of crap. Pepper your angus. I'll rape you if I get the chance.
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Ice,,,
Racism , Rape ,,, If u like galka's that way then u can have our "Galka Polearm's" and have a nice day .
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Ophannus said: » Resolution is not THAT great of a WS on paper. Compare Resolution to Stardiver, they're virtually the same, except Resolution has an Attack penalty. It's the jobs's JAs that use Resolution which make it powerful. When you stack Reso with minuets/chaos roll+ Souleater/Mighty Strikes/Restraint, that's what makes it do 5-6k. Reso has a 3.6 ftp and -15% attack penalty Stardiver is 3.0 ftp and no attack penalty. Polearms have better DMG rating than GS too which should be a factor. reso does 3-6k, stardiver does 1.8-3k. Its due to the buffs the jobs that use reso receive that make it boss, the WS is actually pretty meh. Both of those copy fTP so we should be using what you'll really be seeing. More like Reso 4.75. Still that -15% attack penalty HURTS and hurts bad. Nobody notices it due to the two jobs that use it having attack buff JA's and receiving songs / rolls. Also .. for those idiots complaining about it being hard to "cap" shoha. Guys Shoha has a 35~37% attack boost, it's actually one of the easier WS's to cap Ratio out on. That's actually a reoccurring theme with SAM, they do high damage when not buffed but quickly hit a glass ceiling.
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I have a Gungnir, 4k is not average Stardiver on anything, hell on ADL I average 3.8k and that's with 1500+ attack, of course I get occasional wtf6k spikes but those are called outliers, Galka.
what it comes down to all these people talking ***are just trolls lalalalalala or they too gimp to be in a GOOD linkshell where these numbers are easy to hit get a ghorn brd and 2x cor and watch the numbers sore a friend of mine in ls posted a 12k reso as drk on here and people called him fake its just trolls not even worth fighting with them
Ophannus said: » I have a Gungnir, 4k is not average Stardiver on anything, hell on ADL I average 3.8k and that's with 1500+ attack, of course I get occasional wtf6k spikes but those are called outliers, Galka. Get a Herja's? I realize Gungnir has higher base damage, but why are you using Gungnir for anything? After update would it be possible to downgrade Shoha and Shijin to 1-2-3/5 without so much of a loss in damage to not make it worth it to open room for more merits? And if possible what merits 1-2/5 would beat current nonmerit WS for melee jobs other than Resolution? (Staying 5/5) Just curious so if needed I can get a jump start on the reorganizing before the update to save time beforehand.
Cerberus.Athomik said: » Ice,,, Racism , Rape ,,, If u like galka's that way then u can have our "Galka Polearm's" and have a nice day . Wut? Quote: Get a Herja's? I realize Gungnir has higher base damage, but why are you using Gungnir for anything? OD2.5>Herja
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Ophannus said: » That 4k is probably a DA/TA. My Gungnir doesn't even do 4k consistantly on piercing weak mobs. Does about 2800-3k on neutral mobs as DRG/RDM and about 3.6k on piercing weak. Unless he DA/TA/QA'd or was /WAR, that 4k is not common by any means, especially if that's his WS gear(no phorcys etc). Bit late but I have been doing 3.6-5k stardivers on ADL without rolls but with minuet 5 4 3 and /sam with a level 90 rhongomiant(dmg:132). On reive mobs ive been seeing consistant 3-4k+ and thats no buffs and /rdm.
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Ophannus said: » Quote: Get a Herja's? I realize Gungnir has higher base damage, but why are you using Gungnir for anything? OD2.5>Herja Gungnir still outclasses everything a DRG can use except for Ryunohige, and Ryunohige wins consistently only if you can maintain aftermath. Herja's sucks on anything that matters. Currently that's Legion Mul and Wildskeeper Reives. Bringing DRG to Odin v2 on anything other than adds control is dumb, and all other content is a wet paperbag for any decently geared DD. As far as the earlier talk about consistent 4k with Stardiver.. BS. On typical coalition reives I will get between 2-2.5k unbuffed with Gungnir 99. I get the same amount on DRK doing the same with Resolution with Ragnarok 99. Unbuffed, they do around the same amount of damage... but DRG/mage is infinitely more self-sufficient in coalition reives when you're solo. Rhongomiant > Gungnir with AM3 up which isn't hard to do in Legion with Meditate and Jumps, 90 seconds of 50% ODD, same base DMG as Gungnir too. Gungnir wins in content where you wouldn't have the 300% TP for the Camlanns, but for short fights where you could save up TP prefight, Rhongo can be pretty impressive but only at 99 where it has the same base D as Gung.
Also I did a few Rieves last night, on Butterflies as /RDM Stardiver ~3600ish with 4k on DAs, on Rabbits/Chapuli's about 2600-2800, 3k+ with Angon/Dia II. 4k is a DA, it's not common. Average range on neutral mobs as DRG/RDM with Gungnir and food was 2800-3.2k. 90 rhongomiant dmg132 95 gungnir dmg147......
Really you should be doing higher stardivers. Who gives a pup about dragoon spears.
Update yes!!
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Monstrosity!!!
gogogogogogoggogogo (I do not think this is the case, just being optimistic)
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Further derail, but gungnirs accuracy would likely be an asset in legion. Also if you're going to waste the gil making 2 99 weapons and not a ryunohige, you're pretty much an idiot.
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To derail the DRG talk...personally, I like the fact that they're adding something that requires progression to access. I saw a couple people complaining(of course) that most people haven't killed all 3 hnms yet, therefore, they aren't allowed access to the new content. Well, suck it up and kill them then. Access to sky/sea/p.watcher requires work, and so does this. Shouldn't expect everything to be easy access like it was in abyssea.
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