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By Lakshmi.Cadant 2013-04-29 17:36:10
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Phoenix.Quince said: »
NQ Hexed Abjuration gear can be augmented through Synergy with Abdhaljs's Honor x3.


WHY IS NOBODY TALKIN BOUT THIS!)@*()!@

Because the Delve gear is probably leaps and bounds better than whatever small boost augmenting those would give
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By Enuyasha 2013-04-29 17:36:44
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Phoenix.Kojo said: »
Enuyasha said: »
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But still people are complaining there are better weapons and gear than what they have now (this time, its because they are VASTLY better[with a buff update coming to your favorite bandwagon weapons]). Parallel: yes there is one.

Level cap up or not, the same people archetypes will rage quit over nothing and mass exodus at some point for the same reasons,even if its differing circumstances.

It's not the new weapons, it's not 100% the lack of Relic updates, it's the fact that Relics fell behind stuff added last month and have yet to be updated while THAT equipment is already obsolete, and relics STILL have not had a single boost. Why buy these new crafted weapons? Why try for Delve gear? Which, by the way, looks very lackluster. When it will all be obsolete next month? That is the mistake Matsui is making. Showing us this fast release of over the top gear just gives less incentive to do anything at the moment. My gripe is different, as I am a beautiful, unique snowflake, my gripe is over the lack of support for RUN and GEO, and yes, I know they were updated today, no, I'm not impressed.
Yet, for YEARS the player base has bitched and moaned for constant and numerous "worthwhile" pieces of gear and guess what: they rage quit because they dont like these particular events (which they asked for).

This isn't what people asked for.
It is. and this is what they got.and they.dont.like.it.like.they.thought.they.would.
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By Lakshmi.Cadant 2013-04-29 17:38:30
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Enuyasha said: »
Phoenix.Kojo said: »
Enuyasha said: »
Phoenix.Kojo said: »
Enuyasha said: »
But still people are complaining there are better weapons and gear than what they have now (this time, its because they are VASTLY better[with a buff update coming to your favorite bandwagon weapons]). Parallel: yes there is one.

Level cap up or not, the same people archetypes will rage quit over nothing and mass exodus at some point for the same reasons,even if its differing circumstances.

It's not the new weapons, it's not 100% the lack of Relic updates, it's the fact that Relics fell behind stuff added last month and have yet to be updated while THAT equipment is already obsolete, and relics STILL have not had a single boost. Why buy these new crafted weapons? Why try for Delve gear? Which, by the way, looks very lackluster. When it will all be obsolete next month? That is the mistake Matsui is making. Showing us this fast release of over the top gear just gives less incentive to do anything at the moment. My gripe is different, as I am a beautiful, unique snowflake, my gripe is over the lack of support for RUN and GEO, and yes, I know they were updated today, no, I'm not impressed.
Yet, for YEARS the player base has bitched and moaned for constant and numerous "worthwhile" pieces of gear and guess what: they rage quit because they dont like these particular events (which they asked for).

This isn't what people asked for.
It is. and this is what they got.and they.dont.like.it.like.they.thought.they.would.

It is... But at the same time it isn't. It's like SE didn't know the speakers could go up by 1's before they turned it all the way to 10
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By Phoenix.Kojo 2013-04-29 17:39:12
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Enuyasha said: »
Phoenix.Kojo said: »
Enuyasha said: »
Phoenix.Kojo said: »
Enuyasha said: »
But still people are complaining there are better weapons and gear than what they have now (this time, its because they are VASTLY better[with a buff update coming to your favorite bandwagon weapons]). Parallel: yes there is one.

Level cap up or not, the same people archetypes will rage quit over nothing and mass exodus at some point for the same reasons,even if its differing circumstances.

It's not the new weapons, it's not 100% the lack of Relic updates, it's the fact that Relics fell behind stuff added last month and have yet to be updated while THAT equipment is already obsolete, and relics STILL have not had a single boost. Why buy these new crafted weapons? Why try for Delve gear? Which, by the way, looks very lackluster. When it will all be obsolete next month? That is the mistake Matsui is making. Showing us this fast release of over the top gear just gives less incentive to do anything at the moment. My gripe is different, as I am a beautiful, unique snowflake, my gripe is over the lack of support for RUN and GEO, and yes, I know they were updated today, no, I'm not impressed.
Yet, for YEARS the player base has bitched and moaned for constant and numerous "worthwhile" pieces of gear and guess what: they rage quit because they dont like these particular events (which they asked for).

This isn't what people asked for.
It is. and this is what they got.and they.dont.like.it.like.they.thought.they.would.

We asked for balance. Tanaka was imbalanced as he nerfed everything, Matsui is imbalanced as he overly-buffed everything. Tanaka is the lesser of two evils here.
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By Enuyasha 2013-04-29 17:42:32
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Phoenix.Kojo said: »
Enuyasha said: »
Phoenix.Kojo said: »
Enuyasha said: »
Phoenix.Kojo said: »
Enuyasha said: »
But still people are complaining there are better weapons and gear than what they have now (this time, its because they are VASTLY better[with a buff update coming to your favorite bandwagon weapons]). Parallel: yes there is one.

Level cap up or not, the same people archetypes will rage quit over nothing and mass exodus at some point for the same reasons,even if its differing circumstances.

It's not the new weapons, it's not 100% the lack of Relic updates, it's the fact that Relics fell behind stuff added last month and have yet to be updated while THAT equipment is already obsolete, and relics STILL have not had a single boost. Why buy these new crafted weapons? Why try for Delve gear? Which, by the way, looks very lackluster. When it will all be obsolete next month? That is the mistake Matsui is making. Showing us this fast release of over the top gear just gives less incentive to do anything at the moment. My gripe is different, as I am a beautiful, unique snowflake, my gripe is over the lack of support for RUN and GEO, and yes, I know they were updated today, no, I'm not impressed.
Yet, for YEARS the player base has bitched and moaned for constant and numerous "worthwhile" pieces of gear and guess what: they rage quit because they dont like these particular events (which they asked for).

This isn't what people asked for.
It is. and this is what they got.and they.dont.like.it.like.they.thought.they.would.

We asked for balance. Tanaka was imbalanced as he nerfed everything, Matsui is imbalanced as he overly-buffed everything. Tanaka is the lesser of two evils here.
Lets retreat to blaming the people who gave the playerbase what they wanted, but not enough so you know its their game and not yours. Mkay. The playerbase still wanted the nightmare of mass falling on their bandwagnaroks. Which, there is no arguement, the bitching keep bitching and when the people getting bitched at *** back, the bitchers act like the victims.
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By Phoenix.Kojo 2013-04-29 17:44:02
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Enuyasha said: »
Lets retreat to blaming the people who gave the playerbase what they wanted, but not enough so you know its their game and not yours. Mkay. The playerbase still wanted the nightmare of mass falling on their bandwagnaroks. Which, there is no arguement, the bitching keep bitching and when the people getting bitched at *** back, the bitchers act like the victims.

wat
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By Enuyasha 2013-04-29 17:47:19
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Phoenix.Kojo said: »
Enuyasha said: »
Lets retreat to blaming the people who gave the playerbase what they wanted, but not enough so you know its their game and not yours. Mkay. The playerbase still wanted the nightmare of mass falling on their bandwagnaroks. Which, there is no arguement, the bitching keep bitching and when the people getting bitched at *** back, the bitchers act like the victims.

wat
everyone bitched and moaned at SE for better gear and less side grades they retalliate and give it to you, people *** that its TOO not sidegradeish and you want buffs to the old gear you have. Maybe, if people didnt constantly *** at the ontent released, you wouldnt get responses like this.
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By Valefor.Omnys 2013-04-29 17:48:11
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I don't see anyone complaining about dropping their brutal earrings.

The weapons are the center of the problem.

(Edit: At present, you shouldn't drop your brutal.)
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By Quiznor 2013-04-29 17:49:12
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Still shoulda let that ***die at 75 >_> Created nothing but problems and more problems on top of that,and so forth!
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By Enuyasha 2013-04-29 17:51:00
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Valefor.Omnys said: »
I don't see anyone complaining about dropping their brutal earrings.

The weapons are the center of the problem.
gear, weapons,...meh....people wanted better shinies, they got super blindingly awesome shinies then complain they are too shiny and want the shinies they have to be shinier. You asked for shinies, you got shinies, dont make a huge deal out of it.
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By Quiznor 2013-04-29 17:52:07
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Why cant I wear my Noct gear anymore,that ***was awesome =\

SE I demand you do something about this
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By Otomis 2013-04-29 17:52:22
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Shiny, but not that shiny.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Avengers 2013-04-29 17:52:32
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Faster to get best possible gear/weapons. People get bored, people move on to something else. And whether or not you like ffxiv, people will move to that when finished with 11 due to, well lets face it, the name sells itself.


Fact is, FFXIV has become nothing but a wow clone, I tried the beta for FFXIV weekend a few weeks back, to me, it's aimed at turning WoW players into final fantasy players, not FFXI into FFXIV, i'm a bit disgusted with it.
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By Cerberus.Zyph 2013-04-29 17:56:37
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Toebag said: »

Faster to get best possible gear/weapons. People get bored, people move on to something else. And whether or not you like ffxiv, people will move to that when finished with 11 due to, well lets face it, the name sells itself.


Fact is, FFXIV has become nothing but a wow clone, I tried the beta for FFXIV weekend a few weeks back, to me, it's aimed at turning WoW players into final fantasy players, not FFXI into FFXIV, i'm a bit disgusted with it.

It's not FFXI, therefore it's a WoWclone. Trufax
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By Valefor.Omnys 2013-04-29 17:56:38
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I don't see anyone complaining about dropping their brutal earrings.

The weapons are the center of the problem.
gear, weapons,...meh....people wanted better shinies, they got super blindingly awesome shinies then complain they are too shiny and want the shinies they have to be shinier. You asked for shinies, you got shinies, dont make a huge deal out of it.

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By Valefor.Omnys 2013-04-29 17:57:40
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Valefor.Angierus said: »
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I don't see anyone complaining about dropping their brutal earrings.

The weapons are the center of the problem.

Brutal is still relevant for weapon skill, find me a combination of earrings that beats out 5% DA 4ATK +25TP Bonus.

Yeah, I was gonna edit it but figured wtf, the basic point was made. The gear isn't really the issue.
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By Phoenix.Kojo 2013-04-29 17:59:09
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Valefor.Omnys said: »
I don't see anyone complaining about dropping their brutal earrings.

The weapons are the center of the problem.

Pretty much. If you look at Delve armor, the light armor body piece is 68 DEF. For reference, Thurandaut Tabard is 64, Thaumas Coat is 63, Tessera Saio is 66, these are all light armors, and the new gear has higher defense than all of them, but only SLIGHTLY higher defense.

Senbaak Nagan +1 has 247 DMG. Ragnarok 99 has 143, Borealis has 129, Crobaci has between 141 and 179, which despite being a 36 DMG difference is such a slight difference that a 99 Ragnarok can still be effective due to the nature of the weapon. 247 DMG is NOT a slight jump, it does indeed drop Ragnarok to a not-even-close second.
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By Enuyasha 2013-04-29 18:01:27
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Phoenix.Kojo said: »
Valefor.Omnys said: »
I don't see anyone complaining about dropping their brutal earrings.

The weapons are the center of the problem.

Pretty much. If you look at Delve armor, the light armor body piece is 68 DEF. For reference, Thurandaut Tabard is 64, Thaumas Coat is 63, Tessera Saio is 66, these are all light armors, and the new gear has higher defense than all of them, but only SLIGHTLY higher defense.

Senbaak Nagan +1 has 247 DMG. Ragnarok 99 has 143, Borealis has 129, Crobaci has between 141 and 179, which despite being a 36 DMG difference is such a slight difference that a 99 Ragnarok can still be effective due to the nature of the weapon. 247 DMG is NOT a slight jump, it does indeed drop Ragnarok to a not-even-close second.
You got shinier shinies, you can do Resolution with any GS,stop yer bitchin til SE reveals the giant dissapointer that there will be no relic updates and R/E/M are the "easy tier" weapons they where talking about.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Avengers 2013-04-29 18:05:58
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Cerberus.Zyph said: »
Quetzalcoatl.Avengers said: »
Toebag said: »

Faster to get best possible gear/weapons. People get bored, people move on to something else. And whether or not you like ffxiv, people will move to that when finished with 11 due to, well lets face it, the name sells itself.


Fact is, FFXIV has become nothing but a wow clone, I tried the beta for FFXIV weekend a few weeks back, to me, it's aimed at turning WoW players into final fantasy players, not FFXI into FFXIV, i'm a bit disgusted with it.

It's not FFXI, therefore it's a WoWclone.

You obviously haven't played the FFXIV beta.

There's fetch quests, kill quests, UI is very typical Wow and other MMO oriented, spamming my number 1 button for a normal attack (not auto attack). Hell, I was level 4 before I even left the city. I'm sorry, I just don't like doing quests such as go to X to kill Y creatures then return for Y experience, I just don't want anymore of that.
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By Ragnarok.Sekundes 2013-04-29 18:08:44
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Sylph.Mesheef said: »
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If they were trying to kill off FFXI they just wouldn't add anything more would they?

It's stupid spending time and money to create an expansion/update to thin out the player base. Economically it's not viable. They would be better off not creating any further updates and focusing on FFXIV if they wanted us off XI.


you have never owned a business and switched or merged with another company I assume.

If you just shut it down without giving people something before hand you will lose far more clients than by trying to entice them into something new.
If SE just flat out kills 11 they lose almost all clients out of spite, but if they give us something that makes us want more then slowly kill off support for it all then we are more inclined to move to 14.

There are the skeptics and the people that think I am trolling, whatever. I don't care. hate me, bash me, flame me, the end result is you just can't wrap your head around a concept bigger than your biased thoughts, and I would assume you have never owned your own business.

Fact, SE gave us a bunch of weapons with nearly double damage than our current best.
Fact, SE already cut off support for one of the operating systems ffxi ran on.
Fact, most of those new smash the ***out of what we have, is obtained through crafts.
Fact, the r/m/e weapons take far longer to obtain with way less DPS
Fact, when people get bored with things they quit doing them.

Faster to get best possible gear/weapons. People get bored, people move on to something else. And whether or not you like ffxiv, people will move to that when finished with 11 due to, well lets face it, the name sells itself.

Boredom = quitting and finding something to fill that void.

Spite = people to not buy or use your products anymore.
You've never owned a business if you think SE would do anything other than milk this cow for every cent they can get out of it. That is their intention despite making many mistakes over the years.
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By Ragnarok.Presidentobama 2013-04-29 18:09:34
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In three months all these weapons that are craftable will be 100k o ah. Se makes ex items better than ah and rem better than standard rex. I am guessing rem will be 280 to 300 base dmg. Save your gil. I am sure most people who spent millions o skimirsh feel dumb now wasteing all that gil for a weapon that will be outclassed by an ah item.

Sadly with these weapons even vt mobs wont last to many hits. It will feel like i got my aby atmas everywhere and i am squishing worms.
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2013-04-29 18:10:05
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Quetzalcoatl.Avengers said: »
Cerberus.Zyph said: »
Quetzalcoatl.Avengers said: »
Toebag said: »

Faster to get best possible gear/weapons. People get bored, people move on to something else. And whether or not you like ffxiv, people will move to that when finished with 11 due to, well lets face it, the name sells itself.


Fact is, FFXIV has become nothing but a wow clone, I tried the beta for FFXIV weekend a few weeks back, to me, it's aimed at turning WoW players into final fantasy players, not FFXI into FFXIV, i'm a bit disgusted with it.

It's not FFXI, therefore it's a WoWclone.

You obviously haven't played the FFXIV beta.

There's fetch quests, kill quests, UI is very typical Wow and other MMO oriented, spamming my number 1 button for a normal attack (not auto attack). Hell, I was level 4 before I even left the city. I'm sorry, I just don't like doing quests such as go to X to kill Y creatures then return for Y experience, I just don't want anymore of that.
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By Cerberus.Zyph 2013-04-29 18:11:54
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Quetzalcoatl.Avengers said: »
Cerberus.Zyph said: »
Quetzalcoatl.Avengers said: »
Toebag said: »

Faster to get best possible gear/weapons. People get bored, people move on to something else. And whether or not you like ffxiv, people will move to that when finished with 11 due to, well lets face it, the name sells itself.


Fact is, FFXIV has become nothing but a wow clone, I tried the beta for FFXIV weekend a few weeks back, to me, it's aimed at turning WoW players into final fantasy players, not FFXI into FFXIV, i'm a bit disgusted with it.

It's not FFXI, therefore it's a WoWclone.

You obviously haven't played the FFXIV beta.

There's fetch quests, kill quests, UI is very typical Wow and other MMO oriented, spamming my number 1 button for a normal attack (not auto attack). Hell, I was level 4 before I even left the city. I'm sorry, I just don't like doing quests such as go to X to kill Y creatures then return for Y experience, I just don't want anymore of that.

I agree with you on the combat, but come on, are you really telling me that leveling up by killing nothing but worms for hours on end is better?
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By Asura.Mindsouljah 2013-04-29 18:12:21
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hmmmmmmm
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By Asura.Mindsouljah 2013-04-29 18:13:18
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Quetzalcoatl.Avengers said: »
Cerberus.Zyph said: »
Quetzalcoatl.Avengers said: »
Toebag said: »

Faster to get best possible gear/weapons. People get bored, people move on to something else. And whether or not you like ffxiv, people will move to that when finished with 11 due to, well lets face it, the name sells itself.


Fact is, FFXIV has become nothing but a wow clone, I tried the beta for FFXIV weekend a few weeks back, to me, it's aimed at turning WoW players into final fantasy players, not FFXI into FFXIV, i'm a bit disgusted with it.

It's not FFXI, therefore it's a WoWclone.

You obviously haven't played the FFXIV beta.

There's fetch quests, kill quests, UI is very typical Wow and other MMO oriented, spamming my number 1 button for a normal attack (not auto attack). Hell, I was level 4 before I even left the city. I'm sorry, I just don't like doing quests such as go to X to kill Y creatures then return for Y experience, I just don't want anymore of that.


so you rather go outside and kill rabbits and worms until level 5 instead?
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By Toebag 2013-04-29 18:14:52
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Quetzalcoatl.Avengers said: »
Toebag said: »

Faster to get best possible gear/weapons. People get bored, people move on to something else. And whether or not you like ffxiv, people will move to that when finished with 11 due to, well lets face it, the name sells itself.


Fact is, FFXIV has become nothing but a wow clone, I tried the beta for FFXIV weekend a few weeks back, to me, it's aimed at turning WoW players into final fantasy players, not FFXI into FFXIV, i'm a bit disgusted with it.

Toebag didn't say this ;;
That was the other guy!
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By Siren.Issendai 2013-04-29 18:15:39
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Kinda sucks it's almost 4 hours after update is over, and I still can't get past the Preparing part >.>
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By Valefor.Omnys 2013-04-29 18:16:50
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I'd love a real party grinder again, just like this game used to be.

Questing is good if you can do it like The Secret World, and maintain that quality, but I'd rather kill 10 with a group, and just keep killing than run back to town solo and tell someone I did it and collected their bat fangs now only to be told they need bat wings.

Cerberus.Zyph said: »
It's not FFXI, therefore it's a WoWclone. Trufax

Talking about XIV

On the subject of FFXIV 1.0, they said their only goal was to be different than XI. A turd sandwich is different from a hamburger.

On the subject of 2.0, all they'd say for the game is that they went and played World of Warcraft and took direction from that.

Despite it's shortcomings, many people including myself, think this game is superior to wow. Yeah, it's be nice to see Rajas polished up but it's also nice that a new wave of gear doesn't obselete half your gear and effort.

I like a controller, something that just won't fit into the wow interface.

I like timing spells right, something you can't always do with a global cooldown, which XIV is said to be implementing.

Company after company thinks they're gonna do WoW better than WoW. Many people only still play WoW despite disappointment with the devs for the same reason many people stayed through XI's ups and downs: attachment to their characters. The day I can't login to Omnys, I might go try this Outside I've heard so much about.
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By Phoenix.Radatz 2013-04-29 18:22:49
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Valefor.Sehachan said: »
There's so many things I want from this update XD
well i started playing again so there's one wish granted ~.^
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