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By Lakshmi.Mineyl 2013-01-30 08:16:03
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Asura.Tot said: »
on the topic of math... would getting marbles from the moogles this year with end numbers 11-19 21-29 31-39 41-49 ect ect... x30 give me a 30 in 87 chance to win rank 4? ...*cough* what % is 30 in 87, 87 is the wrong number eh maybe its 82 uh,.. ok sorry, i don't even ...zzZ
If you're only counting the two end digits, you have an x/100 chance of winning, where x is the number of unique combinations of numbers you obtain from the moogles. If you get all 100 combinations (0-99, the 0 makes 100), you have a 100/100 or 100% chance of winning.

If you only get 11-19, 21-29, 31-39, etc without getting any of the combinations involving zero, you'll have an 81% chance of winning the rank 4 prize.
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By Leviathan.Yogurt 2013-01-30 08:48:24
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By alyria 2013-01-30 20:11:48
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ok i need a refresh on linear equations again :/ I know I can do it when its without the extra numbers like this 2(4x-7)=3(7x+5)...but when its the extra numbers added to it like the +6 or 9-5(...) I get lost on which way to go after

9 - 5 (6z + 3) = (-7z - 7) + 6

Then 9 - 30z + 15 = -7z - 7 + 6

right?

So after, do I subtract 15 from the 9 or subtract 9 from the 15 and add 7 to the 6 or subtract 6 from the 7 (is that a 7 or -7?)...I get lost with the signs a bit too... Bare with me, I just seem to be missing a step or going wrong way.
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By Cerberus.Hyuuganeji 2013-01-30 20:19:16
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"there is no such thing as subtraction, just addition of negative numbers."

9 - 30z + 15 = -7z - 7 + 6
9 + (-30z) +15 = (-7z) + (-7) + 6
parenthesis are jsut so we dont lose the negative sign because, now, addition is commutative.
9 + 15 + (-30z) = (-7z) + (-7) + 6
24 + (-30z) = (-7z) + (-1)
24 - 30z = -7z - 1
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By Odin.Sawtelle 2013-01-30 20:26:06
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Aly Saxena said: »
ok i need a refresh on linear equations again :/ I know I can do it when its without the extra numbers like this 2(4x-7)=3(7x+5)...but when its the extra numbers added to it like the +6 or 9-5(...) I get lost on which way to go after 9 - 5 (6z + 3) = (-7z - 7) + 6 Then 9 - 30z + 15 = -7z - 7 + 6 right? So after, do I subtract 15 from the 9 or subtract 9 from the 15 and add 7 to the 6 or subtract 6 from the 7 (is that a 7 or -7?)...I get lost with the signs a bit too... Bare with me, I just seem to be missing a step or going wrong way.

Order of operations: parenthases, exponents, multiplication/division, addition subtraction.

So yo are correct you distribute the -5 first. When distributing a negative number, remeber the - goes with it. Thus:

9 - 5 (6z + 3) = (-7z - 7) + 6

9 -30z -15 = -7z -7 +6

then it helps to put like terms on the same side of the equation, if you move the item to the other side, its sign switches (because you subtract or add that number to both sides)

Might help to think of it like:
9 -30z -15 (+7z) = -7z -7 +6 (+7z)=
9 -30z -15 (+7z) = -7 +6
etc:
-30z +7z =-7+6+15-9

simplify.

-23z=5,
z= -5/23
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By Shiva.Gansito 2013-01-30 20:26:11
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kk first thing first. check on your distributive step. Where you multiply everything by -5. You made a multiplying error there.
negative x negative = positive
negative x positive = negative
positive x positive = positive
then when you are combining just look at the sign in front of the number.


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By alyria 2013-01-30 20:42:01
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I see. ok thanks!
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By Ramuh.Lorzy 2013-01-30 20:49:41
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Odin.Sawtelle said: »
Aly Saxena said: »
ok i need a refresh on linear equations again :/ I know I can do it when its without the extra numbers like this 2(4x-7)=3(7x+5)...but when its the extra numbers added to it like the +6 or 9-5(...) I get lost on which way to go after 9 - 5 (6z + 3) = (-7z - 7) + 6 Then 9 - 30z + 15 = -7z - 7 + 6 right? So after, do I subtract 15 from the 9 or subtract 9 from the 15 and add 7 to the 6 or subtract 6 from the 7 (is that a 7 or -7?)...I get lost with the signs a bit too... Bare with me, I just seem to be missing a step or going wrong way.

Order of operations: parenthases, exponents, multiplication/division, addition subtraction.

So yo are correct you distribute the -5 first. When distributing a negative number, remeber the - goes with it. Thus:

9 - 5 (6z + 3) = (-7z - 7) + 6

9 -30z -15 = -7z -7 +6

then it helps to put like terms on the same side of the equation, if you move the item to the other side, its sign switches (because you subtract or add that number to both sides)

Might help to think of it like:
9 -30z -15 (+7z) = -7z -7 +6 (+7z)=
9 -30z -15 (+7z) = -7 +6
etc:
-30z +7z =-7+6+15-9

simplify.

-23z=5,
z= -5/23
also, if you have trouble remembering to distribute the negative (a very common careless mistake), it might help to think of it as

9 + (- 5) (6z + 3) = (-7z - 7) + 6.
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By Carbuncle.Skulloneix 2013-01-30 21:11:25
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15 years ago, I used to be able to do this in my sleep....WHAT HAPPENED TO ME?!?!?!?!?!?
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By volkom 2013-01-30 21:27:37
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Leviathan.Yogurt said: »

hmm if an average apple weights 100 grams. and the mass of the earth is 5.97219 × 10^27 grams (if you consider everything on it supposedly)
and you gave away an apple (so its gone forever)


and it takes roughly 1.3million earths to fill up the sun.

so thats basically
1.3million x (5.97219x10^27grams) - 100grams = 7.763847x 10^33 grams
which is roughly 77638470000000000000000000000000000000 apples.
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By Bahamut.Raenryong 2013-01-30 21:48:46
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Aly Saxena said: »
ok i need a refresh on linear equations again :/ I know I can do it when its without the extra numbers like this 2(4x-7)=3(7x+5)...but when its the extra numbers added to it like the +6 or 9-5(...) I get lost on which way to go after

9 - 5 (6z + 3) = (-7z - 7) + 6

Then 9 - 30z + 15 = -7z - 7 + 6

right?

So after, do I subtract 15 from the 9 or subtract 9 from the 15 and add 7 to the 6 or subtract 6 from the 7 (is that a 7 or -7?)...I get lost with the signs a bit too... Bare with me, I just seem to be missing a step or going wrong way.

Whether you use BIDMAS or PEMDAS, brackets/parenthesis come first.

It is important to remember in the above case that you are multiplying the bracket on the left hand side (hereby thereafter abbreviated as LHS) by MINUS five, not POSITIVE five. The number multiplying the bracket must multiply the whole bracket, and that number is negative 5. -5 is a different number than 5!

LHS therefore becomes

9 - 5(6z+3)

=> 9 - 30z - 15

Your Right Hand Side (RHS) is correct.

=> 9 - 30z - 15 = -7z - 7 + 6
[-7 + 6 = -1; 9 - 15 = -6]
=> -30z - 6 = -7z - 1

Now, you want to take all z terms to one side and constants to another. You can do this to either side.

Adding 30z (or you can think of it as subtracting -30z, and two negatives make a positive);

=> -6 = 23z - 1

Adding 1 (or you can think of it as subtracting -1, and two negatives make a positive);

=> -5 = 23z

Now, divide both sides by 23 to get a singular z (23/23 = 1);

-5/23 = (23/23)z
-5/23 = z

Just take your time when negatives are involved and double check all calculations you make, especially with those brackets!
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By Smurfite 2013-01-30 22:07:55
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2 + 2 = potato
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By Phoenix.Ladyjazz 2013-01-30 22:46:38
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I think my lesbian gurlfriend is gonna have a good time tonight... as I am overly excited now!

The one on the right is my best "Hot Math Teacher" look...
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By Bahamut.Raenryong 2013-01-30 22:56:11
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If that excites you, the math I get subjected to would probably drive you crazy.

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By Phoenix.Ladyjazz 2013-01-30 23:08:01
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I have a BA in Management Science and Statistics... I get excited easily! LoL
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By Shiva.Gansito 2013-01-30 23:26:13
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Bahamut.Raenryong said: »
If that excites you, the math I get subjected to would probably drive you crazy. Help
Math really is amazing. Right now i know there is no way for me to do that problem. But after a few more semester i'm sure i'll be able to do it. Then i'll look back and say... " Yup, I'm a total bad ***". After that even harder problems will come out only to challenge me even further. Even though i will not be able to solve them right away i'll know that if i put in some effort and some detication i'll be able to slowly become better and better. That's why i like math... Yup yup math!!! Math is BANANAS!!!! but i love it :D
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By Phoenix.Kirana 2013-01-31 00:30:08
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Bahamut.Raenryong said: »
If that excites you, the math I get subjected to would probably drive you crazy.

Help
This looks like the kind of stuff I get in my dynamics course.
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By Odin.Minefield 2013-01-31 00:55:12
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Holy ***, take a look at that fine apple.
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By Phoenix.Ladyjazz 2013-01-31 09:16:37
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Stay in school, kiddies! *winks*
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By Carbuncle.Skulloneix 2013-01-31 09:19:33
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volkom said: »
Meh, I dare say Aly would look better than her.
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By Bahamut.Raenryong 2013-01-31 10:42:57
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Phoenix.Kirana said: »
Bahamut.Raenryong said: »
If that excites you, the math I get subjected to would probably drive you crazy.

Help
This looks like the kind of stuff I get in my dynamics course.

It is Electrodynamics so yes :)

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Math really is amazing. Right now i know there is no way for me to do that problem. But after a few more semester i'm sure i'll be able to do it. Then i'll look back and say... " Yup, I'm a total bad ***". After that even harder problems will come out only to challenge me even further. Even though i will not be able to solve them right away i'll know that if i put in some effort and some detication i'll be able to slowly become better and better. That's why i like math... Yup yup math!!! Math is BANANAS!!!! but i love it :D

Maths is indeed amazing! It is just a system that you understand more and more over time. There isn't much memorisation involved - it's all logic and often creative thinking. That is why I enjoy it so much.

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I have a BA in Management Science and Statistics... I get excited easily! LoL

What the heck is management science?!
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By Phoenix.Ladyjazz 2013-01-31 20:21:27
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Bahamut.Raenryong said: »
What the heck is management science?!

The quantification of business modeling. It is the ultimate in your "creative thinking" application to real world situations. Like fitting the appropriate curve to empirical data so you can extrapolate within the standard deviations with a particular amount of uncertainty defined by our clients.

God I love my job!

Okay so its basically trying to model real-world stuff for business people... but we are the ones that actually make things like actuarial tables, and attempt to model ever changing trends and quantify "things" in a numeric fashion.

It is not really "hard" to do, just really hard to do "well"!
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By alyria 2013-01-31 20:23:12
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@.@ wth..get out my thread!
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By Jetackuu 2013-01-31 20:25:28
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Aly Saxena said: »
@.@ wth..get out my thread!
more math tonight?
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By alyria 2013-01-31 20:27:34
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Jetackuu said: »
Aly Saxena said: »
@.@ wth..get out my thread!
more math tonight?


yes :/ i have linear inequality problems
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By Jetackuu 2013-01-31 20:30:22
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I'll be home in about an hour, leaving class now.
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By volkom 2013-01-31 20:32:49
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should just post your problems~ they probably could be all solved in a few minutes
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By Siren.Kalilla 2013-01-31 20:38:09
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volkom said: »
should just post your problems~ they probably could be all solved in a few minutes
I could be wrong, but I think she is asking us because she just wants to know how to do it so she can do it on her own, and not have people do her work for her.
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By alyria 2013-01-31 20:48:09
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yup :) gonna have tests, so i gotta know how to do it
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