Colorado Voters Legalize Marijuana!

I dont care if they have 13 wives :< I do care if they are 12, however.

I wasn't trying to do anything of the sort :|


The "rage" is that these non-issues where blown way out of proportion and theres 1) Religious based reasoning for not allowing one to happen and 2) resources being used to keep this illegal and isn't making much progress (and in all actuality is making the situation worse).

It has nothing to do with the magnitude of the issues (which they are non-issues).

Polygamy is not in any way equivalent to gay marriage. False equivalence.

Also the argument that once we allow gays to marry we have to let you marry whatever you want, including your sheep, is ridiculous.

If you know nothing about it, why even bring it up (in a pot thread, no less)?

Polygamy is restricted over concerns of the subjugation of women, essentially. Government is able to (and does) lawfully discriminate when there is a clear societal benefit to doing so (are blind people allowed to drive?) but the case for marriage equality is that no such benefit exists so therefore discrimination in this regard is unconstitutional. A similar argument is made against the practice of inbreeding, if you were thinking of continuing down this slippery slope.

But you would be fine if a judge decided that marriage should include polygamy?

Loving v. Virginia invalidated Virginia's law that made interracial marriage illegal (Racial Integrity act of 1924) and in doing so, invalidated all laws restricting marriage based on racial grounds.

A judge does not decide upon the legality of marriage, a group of judges can decide on the legality as concerned with constitutionality though. The Supreme Court is amazing that way.

If this is true, but you will only support the state' decision in the matter, then you're in a bad spot.

You support inequality nationally. You support inequality based on the uninformed opinion of the the populace of individual states. Gay couples in Maine have more rights now than couples in North Carolina, simply because the people of NC are more bigoted.

I can't believe I'm quoting Rand:

You can't substitute it in and claim that that advocates of gay marriage have to be advocates of polygamy else they're hypocrites. Polygamy is not equivalent to gay marriage. Stop asking poor questions.

Well then lets agree to disagree. I prefer the will of the people, you prefer the voice of one person. Sad to hear you don't support Maine and Maryland's legalizing gay marriage though. Alot of people fought for that.

You're right, I don't support the process of legalization in those states. The rights of minorities shouldn't be decision of the majority. The state leaders should have been better and braver leaders and enacted the law on their own.

Majority decision over minority groups isn't democracy, sorry if you believe it is.

You're still not getting why this has been taken to the courts in the first place.

Maine and Maryland allowed people to vote on it. "The Will of the people" chose to allow it. I support Same Sex Marriage because it should be a non-issue because the only objections to it are "The bible says marriage is a sacred union between a man and a woman". Which due to the "separation of church and state" is an invalid objection.

Noone here has said they are against the ruling or anything.

I did.

well then there's you~

Religion has nothing to do with a legally recognized marriage.

You're right, and conversely it shouldn't inform the opinions of those who decide who can and can't marry. But it does.

Watch it all the way through.

And that is why you convince a majority that you're right and they're wrong. And when you've done that you've won. Don't have to convince everyone.

That's not what we're a Republic for. We entrust our leaders to do what's in the best interest of everyone, not just the majority. I shouldn't have to convince our populace to do the right thing, the leaders should be doing it. There is no benefit from suppressing gay marriage, it is only an act of oppression targeted at a specific group.

You are against all ballot iniatives then? No referendums for anything?

I'm against them regarding civil rights yes. I don't believe that we should have had states decide on segregation or slavery. A constitutional amendment (women's rights, abolition, suffrage) shows the strength of the leaders, not a requirement of the population to fight itself convincing each other to do what's right.

Are gays better off in the states who have passed the referendum? Sure, and I'm glad they're better off. I don't think we should undo the referendum because it was suboptimal.

You sound like a pretty strict Constitutional Conservative then, so I really don't understand why you would approve of judges deciding.


Edit: Btw bored of this topic AFK

You misunderstand me. I don't support civil rights because they're an amendment. I support amendments/federal/federal courts/even state law because they support civil rights. Though ideally it wouldn't be left up to states either, because states shouldn't be deciding civil rights.

I don't support referendums on civil rights because the populace of a state shouldn't be deciding the fate of minorities. Passing by referendum in a state is the least optimal way to pass it. The leaders should be better.

Typical conservative. Duck out when you've lost.

On the subject of quoting Rand: http://xkcd.com/1049/ (Hover text)

She wasn't wrong about everything.

I really don't know why he wouldn't answer my simple question.

ban public smoking: problem solved.

Actually Colorado banned smoking indoors in any public facility some years back. Some counties you cant even smoke outdoors (Boulder county iirc). I don't think you'll be seeing anyone 'lighting up' in public... well ok, maybe the day the shops open ^^

1. read what the thread is called and gtfo everyone else
2. drugs are bad dont smoke or drink
3. when you do everything in moderation, to much of anything is bad
4. debate class 101: you can find a study to prove anything
5. the freakin air now a days causes cancer get over it
6. i believe the phrase they used was "cash crop"
7. cost to fight vs profit on taxes
8. all the drinkers needed a new liver are wishing they smoked
9. just like when most ppl turn 21 drinking does not have the same appeal when the "rebel" factor is gone
10 William Randolph Hearst is a biotch

ps. the fed PoV on bud is that it has no medical use. this has been proven!!! to be wrong so to even try to step on what those state's population has voted for they would first need to reevaluate its placement on the schedule of drugs, or the feds would not have a leg to stand on in court