The Sealed Dagger: A Ninja Guide

Yeah, feels like it would still be:

Nyame for hybrids
Mpaca for Ten Zessho Savage Shun

So unless they put some completely new stats on AF head, a bit more WSD would only be appealing for Metsu, Hi, maybe Kamu?

Yea pretty much.

Total wishful thinking but we are so overdue for a new shuriken. A man can pray...

you got a new shuriken silly, the domain invasion shurikens.

A new shuriken feels like it would be a pretty sensible addition to items obtained with the new Imperial Standing Accolades from Besieged. Maybe in future Besieged updates/tiers?

That's typically where they toss them to now yeah, if not beseiged accos then whatever limbus currency is will have some probably, whether theyre any good or are just sange fodder(if anyone even uses that JA anymore) is another question

Coulda put a rema level shuriken on prime or aeonic but nooo

Shrink this model down and give it some stats.

And of course it's gonna be awesome and not sellable, just to kick in the balls people who can't find Besieged happening when they're online.

A ninja katana that dispenses shuriken
Irc augments and enchantments like this are why there are belts now

Oh, people here have clamored for that - even to the point of multiple inquiries via official SE forums that eventually garnered a dev response (spoiler: NO)

This feels like something that a wise old shinobi like Buukki would have been into? (much respect)

Can confirm there were those of us that took to the official forums to request this and were told that katanas were balanced to themselves as-is, so it would be impossible to then make them also dispense shurikens.

They thought that adding REMA shurikens would make Ninja unbalanced.

I don’t even want a rema level shuriken, just something with a little more oomph than some acc/racc/stp.

My post from 2018
https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/53746-Dispensable-Shurikens-from-Relic-Mythic-Empyrean-and-Aeonic-Katanas

I would like to see throwing skill not be passive for NIN.

I have advocated many times for ninja to have better enfeebling spells and a wider selection, similar to RDM in that regard. However, if it's a creating new spells issue or whatever, I would be 100% okay with consumable throwing items that inflict potent debuffs for "X" duration. Would fit historical lore and be fun, plus SE clearly has the ability to quite easily create new items if spells are an issue.

Seems like a massive missed opportunity for the job imo.

Could always go /MNK and use your bare hands!

Anyone have a updated evasion set?
Id imagine some null gear, mpaca still better option or does empy have some wining pieces.

I think ill need to build a max set and a tp set for group pulls in oddessy

Looking at things like
empy feet 120 eva 54 agi
malignace 119 eva 49 agi

The malignace is probably still best option for tp for feet
But how much will the agi really come into play
Its 2:1 agi to evasion?

Does things like null cape win all around because 50 or would jse with either 20eva/30agi or additional 30eva/20agi

Running through some basics now looks like the feet are the really only piece that pull ahead of the others for a max set and its not that much
Probably going to really come down to accessory choices

Edit more notes
Emperor hairpin still worth considering? For a max set?
170 eva? 24agi?

Bathy choker probably best max neck
Combatants torque do eva skill? Would it be worth it for tp?

Idk if this can partially answer your question. I dont have any updated sets either, but NextGames made a video about that sibject some times ago : Your text to link here...

I don't have an evasion set (I need to make one, thanks for the reminder), but once you start getting really close difference in evasion and agi, you should start looking at other stats.


Consider that you won't evade every single attack, so a couple points of evasion won't make the difference. But in your example, I would start branching out into other stats. The difference is much more pronounced when you look with a wider lens

malignance

DEF:88 HP+34 MP+22 STR+6 DEX+40 VIT+12 AGI+49 MND+15 CHR+40 Accuracy+50 Ranged Accuracy+50 Magic Accuracy+50 Evasion+119 Magic Evasion+150 "Magic Def. Bonus"+5 Haste+3% "Store TP"+9 Physical damage limit +2% Damage taken -4%

nin boots
DEF:103 HP+45 STR+27 DEX+39 VIT+23 AGI+54 MND+22 CHR+40 Accuracy+60 Attack+60 Ranged Accuracy+60 Magic Accuracy+60 Evasion+120 Magic Evasion+135 "Magic Def. Bonus"+9 Haste+5% "Critical Parry"+26 "Utsusemi"+1 Weapon skill damage +12% Set: Augments "Dual Wield"

So empy feet has 15 more defense, 11 more HP, 11 more VIT, 5 more AGI, 7 more MND, 1 more evasion, 15 less magic evasion, 4 MDB, and 4 less DT. So in this example, I would pick NIN feet over malignance, if you didn't need the DT. This is how I would approach every piece-by-piece comparison of gear between Malignance/Nyame/Empyrean.

Another example would be Null Masque and its bonuses vs the previously mentioned sets. Null has a huge amount of HP (which allows you to take more hits over time), more def, more evasion, more -DT, less agi, but some other passive traits that are useful. Even the MP is higher, which might seem insignificant, but stuff like Odnowa Earring/Tuisto earring translate MP<-->HP, so it's helpful.

I think Null Shawl is the better evasion option, because of what I said earlier about additional stats.

I think evasion is agi 2:1

I will need to consider more stats outside especially when it wont always work 100%

Thought process is first a full evasion turtle equivalent for group pulls long enough for lullaby or uh multiple lullaby.

And one thats acceptable as not quite a hybrid but would be acceptable to fight in efficiently rather than an actual hybrid set. I would hope we can avoid the occasional spell or aoe using this approach with ninja

Please do share when you'r done! I'm definitly interested in your results.

I didn't want to discourage you. What I meant to say was, even in a full evasion turtle set, you will take some hits because enemies have a hit rate and it's impossible to evade every attack, even if it s level 1 monster. This bring down the value of a "full evasion" set a bit. That's why I said you can start to branch out to other stats once you get to very minor differences in evasion, because of diminishing returns.

As far as an engaged set, you can wear the same stuff. Malignance STP/acc/racc, null accessories acc/racc/dt etc allows you to TP while evading, so the sets are pretty much one in the same.

Evasion is capped at 80% rate.

So quick and dirty, came into a few conflicts.
And yes I do agree it wont be 100%

Max
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Pieces I really wasn't sure on
Back: ambu, null - how weighty is agi
Head: null, unity, malig - paper evasion stat vs real tests
Neck: unity, combatant torque- really just considering skill for tp
Belt: did not find many options need suggestions for a tp belt Ifeel like I missed something important with agi or a augment
Ear: skill ear?, ebani, assausage, phawalla - again skill weight?
Ammo: yama, throwing of your choice for tp

Feet I would probably use malignace for tp

This was a very quick scan

If you engage, i.e. not turtle, I think you really want a shuriken. Only quick thought I can see.

back - null
head - null or malignance
neck - bathy choker +1
belt - null
ear - eabani/infused (i guess skill earring is good)
ammo - date shuriken (can't daken with yamarang)

Oh I forgot about infused

I was looking at first was max pull and then working backwards to tp.
Id imagine the defending ring would hold a lot of weight over the vengeful ring with ~80 cap
Null mask is probably a better choice for max eva for sure.
Ammo yeah shuriken for sure during combat I think I would use the tp one over the 5 eva 5 agi

Edit skill is garbage .9 eva

Looks like master levels make non of this really matter
Agi is such a small impact
So I switched to nyame for most slots for hp and dt on the evasion idle pull set
The 80% means hits will still go through, but it is a noticeable difference for pulls.
Still gonna use mostly malignace for engaged evasion mpaca body for counter if the situation is not back tanking

When going full evasion i found run sub helps a lot can put parry on an ambu cape to go with inquartata and you can end up with a decent parry rate to go with evasion. This makes issekigan much more meaningfull. You also gain swordplay as a nice evasion cooldown.

Hey. Making a nagi for style lock and the mijin bonus but wanted to ask some questions. I figured the mijin gakure bonus would be good for solo with trusts which is what I mostly do on nin. If trusts go down and the mob is pulled away from its starting point enough not to catch aggro and you are gonna go down so you get a dot on it, possibly Dia from koru alteady on it or the poison ninja magic then use mijin, wait for the mob to move back then reraise, then resummon trusts, well how's people's experiences with that if any?

Debating on taking it to R15 though since I already have Heishi at R15. According to next games vid on it heishi still ahead but this is pre dokuku. Don't know how much has changed since then.

Thanks

You lose far too much offensive capability truly maximizing evasion that it is not worth it for some slots. I did make a specific evasion dt engaged set and an engaged issekigan set, but to start with not utilizing daken is a massive loss. JSE neck and Shuriken are an absolute must to even be considered practical in my opinion.

Theory is cool, but practical is better lol.

This sounds like what you do when soloing an Omen Boss or something and you're not gonna kill it, but don't want to reset the fight and start all over again. Basically, it's NIN's way of Zombieing any fight. In any case, you don't need Nagi to do this, and it's a strategy I do all of the time on NIN when it's about to go left. The difference is you just bring 2 reraises to accomplish this instead of one. Nagi just saves you 20 seconds and 5k gil from a reraiser, but its the same process effectively. You wouldn't need to make Nagi just for this purpose, it's merely a QOL (a super lengthy one, at that).

Memory lane (I'm old):


Heishi is still the top Katana for NIN without going the Prime route. Radiance SC is still a massive amount of damage output for NIN, even with trusts. Prime might be an easier physical SC path, but it's a super long process. I don't think Nagi can hold it's own anywhere close to Heishi from a WS or SC perspective, and once you start including Hybrid WS or non-trust buffs, Heishi destroys Nagi. R15 if you want to do it, it's not going to beat Heishi under any circumstances (and I don't even think it's the top tanking weapon anymore, either), but it's probably super fun for TP gain with Malignance and low buff scenario, so you get to play around with STP builds.