The Sealed Dagger: A Ninja Guide

Thing with NIN is it and DNC want as little DW as possible for reason luna already stated, as they're likely overcap with just basic magic haste being capped, DNC especially due to haste samba, id opt for any other belt over yotai for those 2 jobs specifically

Sailfi, Windbuffet, pretty much anything is going to be better because by overcapping dual weild you are basically giving yourself negative Store TP.

Recently I decided to pick NIN back up and now I am in the weeds playing with different TP builds and using HasteInfo Addon to help determine DW needed.
The goal is to let HasteInfo send the new DW level to my GS and just change to the new set. My hope is that most of the time I am haste capped but when I am not hoping this will be useful.
The below sets are for -20% DT so more of a fodder set.
If I am on the right track then I will make -50% hybrid sets next.

I also looked at the sets on BG and the sets the sim tool gave me differed a lot. Most likely the settings used.

Below is some sets I put together using the Sim Tool and was hoping for some input if I can.

I don't know a ton about the tool so I left the target enemy the default. I tried to think of general scenarios and go from there. I might have messed up.

My main reason to post is to see what people think and offer general direction so I can keep working toward final sets without asking to be completely hand held. I really dont know if my settings are remotely correct. Dont want to get way to granular with all the possible targets and buff combos mainly because I can see that getting way too complicated.

For reference this is the table i went off of. I know BG haste one, this was more for my not to get lost.










This last one with DW 49 should really never be used unless maybe debuffed or weakened. Even then Not sure if worthwhile.



Thanks for any help you fine folk can provide.

EDIT: It is completely possible I messed all this up and BG sets are correct and I wasted few hours of my Sunday on this. If so please let me down gently

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Im building NIN atm, and i was wondering why are all the tp capes on AGI main stat ?

Dude, just make one max haste set and one non-max haste and/or full DW set.

Wasting your time with all that.

Speculating here but either for the extra evasion or daken racc

The code is easy to write and I have all the equipment to build out the different sets. Not really a reason not to try.... Far as waste of time it is all perspective. It is a 20+ year old game that I love and enjoy trying to do well at.

My main reason for the post was to see if I am using the right settings with the sim tool and on the right path or not. It would be a waste of time if I was completely doing this wrong and never looked for guidance.

Also hate to bump this and I know was mentioned that I am doing too much but was still looking for input into the workflow and sets presented. If anyone has input. Thanks.

i used addon gearinfo for calc dw and auto equip dw set from 1 to 49 i have add 6 set dw for all job can used dw /nin or dnc in my web new version gearswap


https://github.com/aragan/Selindrile-gearswap-mix-combine-Aragan-lua-gearswap

Hello fellow ninjas!

Hi all, exactly how much damage does Heishi do compared to non-REMA weapons like the ambu katana? People say it's NIN's best DPS option, and I'd like to know by rough numbers if people can explain how?

My current NIN with malignance/kenda/JSE TP cape doesn't do much damage with shuns or tens (though admittedly, still working on JSE WS capes and a few more WS pieces). Though the damage feels similar to my RDM pre-malignance and pre-JP.

https://www.bg-wiki.com/ffxi/All_Jobs_Gear_Sets/Ninja
Consult the numbers on each box.

Ninja works great when you can use elemental ws and this makes it really powerful exping solo.
When you can't its not nearly as fun, which then if you can't shadow tank the enemy fun also decreases.

Ninja also works really well as a middle man job supporting sc supporting mb giving some enfeebs.

The heshi makes tp gain and bonus intense. Hitting self sc at 2k plus tp is great. Using shun over and over again not so great but passable. With a friend that can sc very fun.

Otherwise savage blade and the tp bonus katana is still the best bet.

I dont have the prime but I hear its pretty good.
For something like chi
TP Modifier 1000 TP 2000 TP 3000 TP
fTP: +0.5 +1.375 +2.25
2k tp is when things really start cooking
With the stp, tp bonus
This becomes really easy to hit 2-3k even on a follow up ws for self sc.

I think Logical did a video a while back doing a comparison, you might be able to search for his NextGames channel and see. But just from experience, Heishi is going to be your best physical katana before making Dokoku. Blade: Ten is competitive and even Shun is going to be stronger than Gokotai's Blade: Ku. I don't know what you mean by "how much more damage", but it's significantly stronger. Paired with the fact that Heishi is a phenomenal hybrid WS weapon, it's not really close. Heishi stands above non-rmea options as the DPS weapon of choice, unless you start including Naegling for Savage Blade.

Then it gets depressing.

It gets even more depressing when you consider this statement applies to literally every job on Naegling.

Eh, drk escapes the curse cause you lose 25% job haste with LR, and +30% atk active so long as you use a 2 hander

Course i wouldnt be shocked if somehow drk naegl/blurred wasnt far behind still

Hello just had some questions.

Is gere ring better than regal ring for shun? Mid buff and trust buff. I was wanting to go gere/Ephramad's for shun and just forget regal but I want the best. I just came back to the game and have cornelia's ring from a past character and have been using that for shun but was considering Ephramad's for shun and whatever other ws solo and party. I figured I will get the benefit of the pdl on shun with just trust buffs and mid buff because of the attack bonus on shun? I am not sure about that though. I am using Heishi R15 and moonshade and mpaca head.

Also when free nuking and magic bursting is it alright to swap the weapons for the cast and go back to regular weapons? I just don't know if that is a dps loss if doing so because of the loss of the tp from switching weapons and going back to the original weapons.

Thanks.

Gere without question, Ephramad is basically regal on roids.

It would be a dps loss, swapping simply for a burst, unless perhaps its at the very end of a multistep skillchain, but even then I wouldn't bother as its likely still a dps loss.


On a side note, messing around with yagyu for blade shun, the high dex mod seems to allow yagyu to fit nicely in the offhand without much of a loss at all that I simply observed. Not sure what the numbers are specifically but it didn't seem like much of a difference compared to using gleti or crep.

Idk, It depends on a variety of factors, it's not a blanket rule. What are you fighting? Does whatever you're fighting take extra damage from magic but reduced damage from physical, so that the burst is worth it? Example is sewer syrup UNM. Takes reduced physical damage but extra magic damage. I can multi step him and he won't die in one round, but I can SC him and burst twice and he's dead. Shinryu is another example, during wings down mode he takes half damage, but your nukes will outpower your physical WS, so bursting your own skillchains isn't a terrible idea for better damage over time.

If you're fighting an Apex monster, is your burst going to kill the monster? Will you be bursting twice? Two nukes are faster than 2 extra WS. If those nukes kill the mob, it's good.

I know during Iron Giant Ambuscade, nuking and switching weapons was something I did to maximize damage, because freezing one of them fast was key to survival, so max damage was necessary.

So whatever you're fighting has to be factored in. Also consider if you're using Futae or not. A Futae nuke with the right set can 99k apex monsters, and that's already higher than any WS you can do with trust buffs unless it's a hybrid

Lastly, the fun factor is nice when you multistep and then finish it off with multiple high damage bursts. And if your WS is relatively weak anyways, cranking out additional damage with nukes is at worst a break even. Ninja gets TP so fast, switching weapons with TP loss isn't an issue.

Now on the other hand, if you can kill something in a multi step or several SCs without the burst anyways, it might not be worth it. If you're using hybrid WS and doing so much damage, your nukes will never compete with it and be with using, so that would be a better decision.

Tldr: it really depends. You have to factor in what you're fighting, your gear, kill speed when ws soaking, SCing, or bursting. Time them and see which method is superior (or the most fun). I think you're in the best position to decide what's "better"

What's the least depressing WS to use while offhanding yagyu?

Ninja flowchart:

Can you use hybrids? >>>> Yes >>>>Use them (Blade: Chi/To/Teki)
>>>> No
Are you solo >>>> Yes
Using Heishi? >>>> Yes >>>> multistep Radiance
>>>> No >>>> Savage Blade
Are you solo >>>> No
Using Heishi? >>>> Yes >>>> Blade: Ten
>>>> No >>>> Savage Blade

Any other combination of options, the answer is Blade Ten or Savage Blade.

Theorycraft time: what ninja af/relic piece are you optimistic about seeing the +4 version of (but you know deep down it’s gonna be the same old same old hahhahakillme)?

For all zero of you that use gokotai, more regain (same regain from one less slot)

Realistically a nice chunk of mab on relic boots, perma mov speed on the boots so you get 18% outside of dusk > dawn

Drram scenerio is they take all the DW off the jse pieces, or atleazt 1 per set. Not gonna bother thinking theyll add something unique on the pieces

But its nin;
Moar DW
Moar Daken on dw pieces
More macc on nuke pieces, no mab

Removing DW from pieces at +4 would be pretty unprecedented so I am not even going to bother hoping for that. I don't think a piece has ever had a unique stat like that removed after being upgraded. That eliminates a good number of pieces right off the bat, unfortunately.

Hoping for some nice stats on the artifact head, my guess is that's going to be the WSD12 piece, hopefully with some acc/atk this time.

Thf got all its enmity taken off 4/5 of its pieces and slapped on the body, same for steal and its AF boots

so for the DW issues on AF, you just pack it all onto the boots, its purely a mov idle/possible nuke piece, can throw all the daken stp crit rate what have you in the other 4 slots. Same for relic and just funneling that DW into the gloves, it was/will be again just a ninjutsu macc piece if you bother to merit NTE

There's always been something about the way they've implemented NIN JSE that has bothered me.

The non acc or att on the af+3 mask is one, but also they decided to give the Innin bonus of wsd+% on the exact same slot, the relic head. I also never liked how Hizamaru legs got the WSD stat which conflicted with WSD+10% from Relic+3 legs. You also have conflicting stats with MAB/Burst damage bonus on the AF+3 feet, and then the relic feet get the elemental ninjutsu bonus. And for whatever reason, the most obvious magical piece they should have buffed with mab (empyrean hands) didn't get it, but they gave it MBB (the af feet got both). Mpaca's feet RP augment is also MAB, just another piece we can't even use at all. They just can never put together a complete piece of NIN garb that makes sense; AF+3's Shock Spikes is weird, doesn't even stun anything, and do we really need 2 JSE DW bodies and legs? They even had enough sense to not increase the DW from empyrean head past the +1 version, but not enough to just remove it (since it hurts tp gain). I'm still lost why the Utsusemi casting jse is also a ws piece, but that's just me being nitpicky (the body was the OBVIOUS choice, I mean, look at it, its RIGHT THERE; why would you put DT on that, lol..)

Just weird all around. I'm not holding my breath for anything good this round.

/endrant

I'm still under the impression they just dont know what to do with the job and thus dont wanna give it too much in any real direction, not too much as a nuker, not too much as a DD, not too much as a tank, so you just get a mishmash that are occasionally improvements. Feel like emp clearly showcased that as far back as the original nq/+1 reforges and +2/3 just carried that on

TBH, if this is the ONLY useful upgrade, I'll still be happy with it. While 18% dawn-dusk would obviously be better, I'd even be pleased to get 12% (and not have to use Danzo). Or if we want to be utterly unreasonable (and hey, why not)... make the 25% fulltime, no time restrictions. NIN Sortie meta? hahahaha.

I'm preparing to be disappointed in AF head - even if it gets a WSD boost, I bet it won't get MAB to make it better than Nyame for hybrids. Relic head could be cool though.

I just realized that even if they give the af head some great stats, if conflicts with Mpaca head which at R30 is amazing and so tough to beat for stuff like Ten and Zesho.

To Buukis point…NIN is just shafted everywhere you look lol