God And Aurora

Where's the proof God doesn't exist? HMMM?

/runsaway

/flail

When did a movie theatre become sacred?

I don't know why things like these happen and I'm not able to give a perfect answer that fully fulfills what you want to know that covers every angle of this situation. I'm only human.

Some random situations in life can be *** up and so can people and their choice to let themselves degenerate to an animal or plant or be more than human it's a set of choices that set the pace for a way of life and we make them constantly everyday.

I can't consider myself a strong Muslim as I've been in the past and leave it as something to catch up to because of my weakness of ego if you're wondering what stance I'm speaking from. I can say only a few things I find for facts and quotes that help me understand a lot of things in life that are complicated(about people).

1. Life is painful when we make the simple complicated and this comes from being unable to control what we want and having no repercussion everytime we become weak to our desires and possibly slaves.

2. Most people are humans before any titles they associate themselves with, those who are, act for themselves first and what benefits them first not many people would (truly) act for something they consider greater than themselves and it still be in their best interest to do so. I'm sure there are varying degrees of it and most people aren't horrible people but it's what most of us are in my opinion so far. I've been disgusted to call people that I've met the same race as me and by the same token I couldn't be more inspired to be a better person from another person of the same human race that is completely different from me in all respects.

3. As a believer of people are imperfect beings and that a perfect being being in control of this is letting this happen there is a reason. I can't quantify what this reason is nor *** you to that I understand the ulterior motive just because I've read the Qur'an but I can't. There are just some situations where human logic and rationale just flies out the window and you just have to trust your instinct; it's not the first time where I've read, heard, seen about situations and wondered where the gaps of logic come from, where the quantified data was there but we could still not understand, and regardless of how prepared people can be ***still happens.


Now specifically concerning this case of the shooting I would guess from hearing about this guy's background and schooling was that he lost Love somewhere along the lines or couldn't percieve it as well as important emotions from people. It's like when we see ants walking across the ground as we walk and we see them die and feel nothing or don't take note of their existence I think he felt this way because of his obvious superior intellect and cunning the world felt boring to him and unmotivating.

I would ask how is someone that loves and is loved feel this way about life? My instinct would say that he couldn't feel love of any multitude which caused him to separate mentally from society and treat them as ants.


I have an insensitive question(or three) to ask.

Do we care about this and we respond to this tragedy so strongly because the movie was the Dark Knight?

Why do we care about linking this to the Dark Knight when how haphazard and random and suprisingly well orchestrated this guy's plot was to roll into a movie theatre and shoot up as many people as possible then calmy exit the building to wait in his car to be carried off?

Why do people feel so unsafe about movie theatres or seeing the Dark Knight now? Even after 9/11 happened airplanes are still the safest mode of transportation out there; so many isolated and random reports given so much attention and screened make things sound more dangerous than they really are. Something like this can happen anywhere.


I guess it was suprising that it was a movie theatre and not a political, religious, war-related incident for CNN and every other media to show us and just filter through our minds because most of us are desensitized to almost anything concerning death?



I guess the above was a lot simpler in my head than when it came out but when I start talking or typing my mind keeps adding more and more to it. Hopefully that's clear since I can be vague

/lasso

PROOF

Your witness...

....What?

I'm going to go ahead and specify.. The underlined, sure whatever. I can't come up with a better explanation of an all powerful being capable of creating the universe could be created except by himself..

The ....What? part is in reference to the bold. You see, in the old days religion thrived off science and school NOT existing or being available to the masses. When you try to apply logic to organized religion, it starts to fall the *** apart quickly, so you need a bunch of people who are either willing to ignore logic or just not know how to recognize it to begin with. Science teaches you to believe what can be tested and proved, it's far from what you describe, in fact it's the exact opposite. Science and school is the tool of emancipation. It gives people the power to make informed decisions and actually have a leg to stand on if they have to debate their stance.



Anyways, bed time for me.

This is a pointless thread. God most likely doesn't exist, now shut up and enjoy your life.

Anyone who believes in god fortold in a holy book is a moron, or brainwashed.

/endthread

I agree religion and science are at odds for the most part. But science has changed all through out history. At one point in time it was thought that the world was flat and of course we know it is not. But what does that say about science.....it does not have all the answers

well it impossible to have all answers but science is working on finding out what it can.


the bible says the earth flat and still do what that say? but sort of off topic

when science had more Research about the earth it update to the right thing. it says that science moves forward. i dont know why people cant understand that in testing there are going to be some wrong's have to run the tests to get to the conclusion.




look into it deeper it the religions person deep fear of being wrong that make them so anti-science "oh what will i do if i do not go to super happy place when i die science must be wrong!" "oh look science was wrong about there new Theory!" (testing a new Theory where it ok to be wrong about the Theory but you have to test it 1st to see if the Theory is true)

and that why americans are doom we have become more and more anti-science Forty-six percent of Americans are creationist

The 32% "theistic evolution" aka "intelligent design" that can be easy disprove

15% choosing evolution just 15% are smart enough to know this are one who do research know this is true.

I could just as easily say it is the atheist person's deep fear of consequence for their amoral behavior that drives them to deny they are accountable to something greater then them self.

How does some archaic religious folk viewing the world is flat prove science is wrong? Also I think you're drastically confusing the definition of SCIENTIFIC THEORY over the regular term theory. Scientific theories are mostly truths that lack sufficient means to test them to prove them wrong. Look at the "theory" of evolution. Do you honestly think evolution doesn't exist?

I could just as easily say it is the atheist person's deep fear of consequence for their amoral behavior that drives them to deny they are accountable to something greater then them self.

Now that is silly.

In any case, I don't see what gods would have to do with a tragedy like this. It is tragic, but not any more than quite a lot of other events throughout history. I think most believers either go with the mysterious ways line of thought, which I take to mean, 'I can't explain it, but bad things sometimes have to happen to inspire good', free will being a double edged sword, or something more superstitious like demon possession, people being pure evil, pawns of Satan, etc.

Usually people just act in self interested ways and it's not too hard to figure out why certain bad things happen. This one's a bit more complicated as the assailant stood to gain nothing even if he had evaded capture. To me it seems that he intended to do evil for its own sake which is strange and troubling. Usually people do horrific things while at least convincing themselves that it's morally justified.

I was only pointing out that it is just as sill as saying "the religions person deep fear of being wrong that make them so anti-science."

Except it's not. As many doctrines within religion(s) lie on the foundation of being absolute and infallible. To have any question, evidence or otherwise opposition to what has been deemed truthful under the sanction of God/whatever ancient tome have you, would be considered blasphemous and atrocious, and grounds for repercussion and consequence from religious authorities therein.

So yes, a great factor in why many religious followers are skeptical or outright defiant of scientific methods is because they firmly believe that there is only one truth: the one approved by their deity.

Richard Dawkins on Creationism

And this so called common ancestor is based on the findings of skeletal remains of ancient chimps. How you can not be skeptical of this is beyond me. The only thing this proves is that they are similar to humans. If there was empirical data that showed 100% certainty it would not be a theory it would be a scientific law however it does not meet the requirements.

I could just as easily say it is the atheist person's deep fear of consequence for their amoral behavior that drives them to deny they are accountable to something greater then them self.

Even with that said Xueye, the laws of physics are broken time and time again. We have observed them become rendered null and void in many instances.