pretty much...loh weapon, atleast 600 res all. and decent armor, maybe 2k+ (thats if you plan on meleeing)
if you go glass cannon or w/e you want to beable to afford atleast 1 hit, and beable to 1~3 shot everything you see.

It also sucks that it's mnk. I had millions of dollars in gear. 50% crit, 10k armor, super high resists, high LOH/regen with all defensive skills on mnk and i was *** struggling past act 1. I gear pretty much every other job in 1/10th that and stroll through (admitted hyperbole but still). DH is *** HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE. I was wearing level 50ish garbage i picked up through hell only getting a 400 LOH bow with .... 700 dps? That thing shits all over mnk in dps AND surviveability. D3 really pisses me off sometimes.

Any want to buy an amulet for farming?

http://imgur.com/A4Frq

45 Physical Resistance
7% Life
32% Gold from Monsters
176 Life Regen
29% MF
1 Socket

sounds like you were doing something wrong >_> i'm at the point now if that i shoot a damage reflect mob, i litterally kill myself in 1 hit

Must've been doing something wrong with monk with gear like that.

I was very much not doing something wrong :<

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/calculator/monk#abXTgh!ZXW!Zcbcaa

that build with the gear mentioned should be airtight. some 60% damage reduced from armor on top of a 60% chance to dodge (~78% when using left click) with resists and loh/regen? You can't really *** that up lol. It's just that's how mnk is. I could wear a 1200 dps h2h and not break 20k damage. All that dodge is amazing for the most part but you still get popped with your control breaks down or something and get laid out.
They also *** up serenity, although I never see it in the known bugs. Before serenity used to give complete immunity to damage for a couple seconds. It still does the same but now you take all that damage when the effect wears. I can manage standing in plague or arcane lasers and doing LOH damage / regen to compensate. I CANT manage not being able to heal that damage over time when it all hits at once.

I was exaggerating a bit but monk is much harder to build than other jobs. If you made a ratio of gold/dps or stat return per stat on item etc etc mnk would be bottom of every chart (except maybe dodge per dex)

I had all resist gear, not 1 resist gear. I don't know any way of breaking this down than saying you're not going to find a flaw in my gear or playstyle... I can hapilly SS and post all the gear when I get home and any of you is welcome to join a game with me and see how brutal it is to put down stuff in inferno with mnk.

The fact remains that my "spend every dime I made" mnk pales in comparison to my "make concessions for mf" dh.

I tried using the wiz melee build. Im probably doing something wrong, but im gettin creamed by mobs after 3-4 secs. But its basically diamond skin, run in, frost nova, spam tornado + spectral blade, and reput frost nova when its up? Ill try to get more gear and read more about it. Whats a good LoH for this? right now im at 650ish.

I only have 317 LoH and I do well in Act 1 Inferno, I'm about 50/50 in Act 2.

Keeping diamond skin up is much more important than nova, I tend to use nova as a backup for when diamond skin isn't ready yet.

As someone pointed out diamond skin only soaks up 21k dmg, so you still have to watch out for high dmg things like arcane sentries.

All that said, I'm not confident my build is setup right either. So maybe another Wiz that has had more success than I can help you out more.

I find act1 pretty easy. Act2 and up is so much harder. I tried keeping Diamond skin up, but like u said it only takes 21k dmg. Even with high resist 850ish, mobs chew threw it so quickly. For sure im doing something wrong, cuz ive read on the forums that its like "godsend"/OP. but i keep gettin owned. If a wiz could enlighten us that would be really great. Thnx

It's a mix of things skills/gear and knowing how to time them. Resist is good but remember that armor is just as important. No point sitting at 1k resist if you have 2k armor. Balance it out. Higher end being 10-12k armor 1-1.2k resist.

Now stack that with a shield(I hope you are using if you are getting pawned). Using a source is only good if you can stay alive. Block rate is often overlooked and I dunno why because it's a very amazing stat for any tank/melee hybrid. Choose a decent one can usually find 1k armor and 20% block with crit hit and arcane power for 200-300k if on a budget. And try to pick the Ivory Tower style shield as it blocks the most damage(Assuming you can't afford a Stormshield). There is block % head and rings that I know of you could use to but there is prolly better option for a wizard.


Past the gear is choosing a skill set. Which I leave to you because everyone seems to tweek it a little. Frost Nova and Diamond Skin. Generally I throw a tornado run into the pack Nova then Skin. Then toss up more tornado or w/e dps skill I want and cycle nova/skin as needed. 90% I can spam them non stop if I wanted but that's because of another important factor to the build. Crit hit %. If you don't have it get it(Should of added this to the gear but w/e). As like resist and armor the more the better along with crit damage. As a standard I usually say at least 30% crit hit but I seen higher end builds up to like 70%. Should be a cake walk after that.

*edit* Forgot about LoF and regen. LoF being more important unless you love kiting in which case regen might be a better option. Try to get 500+ on a weapon if you can and a socket. Socket for crit damage. Can stack that with an amulet or w/e for more LoF if you feel the need or can't find a reasonable priced weapon with enough dps. Of course there is prolly pleanty I left out or could improve on but I am tired and going to bed hope it helps a little though.

I find melee tank wizard with critical mass/tornado more boring and repetitive than blizz/hydra. Blizz/hydra I kill stuff faster, but backtrack a lot to kite. Melee build I'm button jamming 1 through 3 over and over and over and over..

Though melee build is amazing for fast mobs that rape my kiter Wiz.

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someone on my friendslist that i sell my ilvl 63 unid's to was toying with my emotions!

was teasing me that he found a 1200 xbow with natural crit dmg +45% on it with a socket ;~~;

i wanted it sooooooo bad lol

How much armor should i aim for? i have 4.7k with Energy Armor.

Yeah the button mashing can get pretty crazy. Was doing some 4man Act3 runs earlier don't ask me why because it's completely easier to solo but my hand was sore afterwards -.-!



Should aim for 10kish I think I have 7 before I put armor on and Act3 can still be a pain. Though I dropped some resist for more dps was running into enrage timers to much when in groups. 7-8kish though should push you threw act1 pretty easy and prolly act2(Along with trying to get other stats I stated above of course).

I agree, Monk needs a lot more attention than other jobs.
However, with those stats, you should have at least like 20k DPS, around 95% total dmg-reduction and I really don't see how you can struggle with that past Act 1.
You also mentioned that you have LoH, which makes things even easier.

When I got to Act 3 ('til Ghom), I had like 10k DPS, 600 Res and 4k Armor and I had absolutely no greater issues.
Obviously, you die a few times but before the 1.03 Patch, that wasn't much of a concern.

Either your passivs must be really crappy and/or you don't play as flawless as you state.

Nah, i didn't mean to make it sound like I was brick-walled at every enemy. I just meant that even with all that stuff it feels like every champ set is an ordeal. I guess i should have worded it properly but i was trying to say to Tiger that "get used to not understanding why having awesome gear on mnk is grossly underwhelming".
I still only have trouble on mnk with plague+dessecrator and/or damage reflect as far as dying but its still brutal to barely hit 20k dps with super *** :/

Ah, that does sound a little bit different now.

Personally, I found that a defensive basis is very good though.
Even if it seems like not benefiting you a lot, it, most certainly, is.

Now, 10k Armor, 800+ Res, is a bit far-fetched, unless you have the gold or RL money to back that up.

But as far as I can tell, like 15k DPS, 5000-6000 Armor and 700ish Res is enough to get along.

If you increase these values and add LoH to it, it should be almost a breeze to advance.

Currently, I'm sitting at 17-20k DPS (15% from cure), ~5.5k Armor (before Mantra) and ~720 Resistences (before Mantra), with shield.

I find that good enough for most situations.
While you can't stand in fire-pools or run through chains all the time, it get's the job done for most of the other stuff.

I've experienced that more DPS can be a real killer on reflect DMG, unless you have nice LoH.
Otherwise, it certainly is beneficial/desirable, obviously.

Sad thing is though, that most (if not all) jobs are gearing towards crit/crit-dmg/IAS now and thus increasing prices a lot. :(

I found that farming is a nice way to try to upgrade your gear, but it's not fast, at all.
But I guess, farming gold, isn't fast either anymore.. after the patch with urns and stuff.

Edit:
I'm really sorry, but I've to give my 2 cents again to this.


With everything you stated and what I replied, I do, honestly, think that awesome gear does make a lot of a difference on Monk.

The thing about Monk in D3 is that should pull your own weight, while mitigating as much dmg as possible.
It's kinda like PLD in FFXI.
And you can only achieve this with the best gear you can find, which, also, relates a lot to FFXI here.

Now, there are different playstyles but, generally, I found this way more appealing, for Monk.

Right but.... I can take 1/4 the money im spent on monk:

1) make a barb with double the dps that CAN stand in pools

2) make a dh that might die once or twice more often, but makes up for it in overall kill speed (or being able to mf). magic find runs are more about drops/time and realistically.... what other endgame does d3 have than MF? Ok so you took the 10 minutes to get all the achievements. You can't make alternate "fun build" jobs like D2 because the shitty 10 year game mechanics require you to pigeon-hole gear and skills into boring *** defensive builds. I bet you if you work on getting the "2 of every job 60" achievement, that your classes will all be almost identical... FUN!

3) make a wizard - see above

4) make a witch doctor: this one suprises me. Out of all the classes that I played when i started i thought WD was fricken worthless. Now i feel that this job will get the most replay from me in the long run. This job allows a bit more versatility and fun than the others (imho).

anyhow im sorry to degen 2-3 pages in my "emo mnk rant". I just wish i didnt drop all the money after seeing what it got me.

No worries, I do understand you there.

For me it's just like, I enjoy the job a lot as what I made it: a PLD-like thing.

You can gear other jobs more easily, indeed.
The question is just, if you enjoy it more.

Personally, I've started out with a WD and still gear it while mainly farming with Monk.
WD now has like 25k DPS, 2.5k Armor and, idk, 300ish Res to it's name.

It's not the best but it's certainly fun to play.
That is, especially, when you have a decent group/tank with you.

Now, I don't play solo a lot or with friends, so I always have to look out for the worst-case scenario and play more defensively, most of the time.
So, the fun-factor is very limited, in most situations. :(

With that in mind, I still enjoy playing Monk a lot, even though (or maybe because of that fact) it requires a lot more work to be decent than other jobs.

Farming Act2 gob for the next couple days if anyone wants to tag along. Tired of Act1 elites short of a lucky ring or amulet it's been junk and can't farm act3 atm let friend borrow some wizard gear so he could progress some. Darkakuma#1450.

Forgot who was looking for bows but found these so far today.

I tried melee wiz with 8.5k armor and 550ish resist to all (after buff) and im still gettin owned bad >.< Am i doing something wrong? :x

I believe i have the run down pretty clear. crystal shell, run in, spam blades, with explosive blast + meteor. But monsters are still chewing through my diamond skin so fast.

With that armor and resist you should be cake walking Act1. I am guessing it's either your skill set or the way you're applying it when fighting. Also I dunno about meteor and explosive blast. Drop one of those(personally I like blast with the 3 bursts) and swap in tornado with WW. Tornado is your big source for crits. If you want let me know when you're on and I will run with you to see what exactly what you're doing or you can watch me and see how I do it.

I know Volkom was interested in bows.

I just beat inferno act 4 with 7.9k armor and 800 resist with the build i mention before (only changing sparkflint to mirror images for defensive purposes) and i maybe died twice going thru the entire act 4

With ur stats u should at least be able to do act 2 no prob and progress somewhat thru act 3

Also if anybody needs any bosses cept diablo killed i would be happy to help.. diablo just takes way to long with the build i run and it would be even longer with 2 lol.