the difference between a pirated game, and a used game sale, is that for every used game sale, there was a legitimate sale. someone had to trade it in, for it to be sold used.

so:

a sale is a sale.

a used sale, is half a sale.

a pirated sale is... what fraction of a sale?

granted SOMEBODY payed for that pirate copy. but what rights does that purchase convey? most wouldn't say it entitles you to copy it freely as many times as you wish and distribute it to everyone in the world at little or no cost to yourself... which is what pirating basically is..

so admittedly this whole debate falls within the shades of grey, but even just mathematically speaking, pirate copies are a darker shade.

(again ftr, i always try to buy games new. i own exactly 3 used games, which i only bought used because i couldn't find them new.)

so that's where my line is. if yours is somewhere else that's fine, your decision.... but you have to own that decision. you can't take the "low road" and then proclaim to be on the "high road" by rattling off semantics or blaming the creator for a less than ideal product. (if it's not worth buying, why is it worth pirating?)

If software piracy was nonexistent, you'd be able to buy D3 for 10 bucks - Also, DRM and all that crap wouldn't exist. We've pretty much all done it at one time, but it doesn't mean it's not stealing.

Arrrgh!

Piracy is not theft, it is the copying of bits. He's talking about a concrete definition, not the result or emotional appeal of words like "steal" and "theft".

We're not saying anything. We're simply saying that piracy is not theft.

To steal means that you take something from someone else - and that something that you've taken can no longer be used by the one you've stolen it from.

Piracy, on the other hand, is like a duplicator machine. Your friend may have spent 10 years building a house - you bring your duplicator machine over and duplicate his house, did you steal his house? No, his house is still there.

It's all semantics, really. I also don't see how this is really relevant to the thread.

No, Piracy isn't theft, it isn't stealing.

Piracy is... well, it is what it is.. Piracy. No need to use another word to describe it.

yeah, only a matter of time, didn't know they were that far already

Allow me to try to appease both sides here.

Found this following links on one of the sites in the OP.

It looks like it has promise.

http://www.pathofexile.com/

Torchlight is also supposed to be similar.

You are giving companies way too much faith that they would no raise price strictly on demand and an imposed tightening of supply.

Look at oil/gas companies. The US alone can self sustain for several hundred years (more than enough time to find a viable replacement), yet we are paying nearly $100 for a barrel of crude oil and an unprecedented (and non congruent) AVG of $3.50 for gasoline at the moment. Trust me, this ridiculous pricing has nothing to do with theft. Companies People are greedy. Such as life.

Pirate:
1.
a. One who robs at sea or plunders the land from the sea without commission from a sovereign nation.
b. A ship used for this purpose.
2. One who preys on others; a plunderer.
3. One who makes use of or reproduces the work of another without authorization.
4. One that operates an unlicensed, illegal television or radio station.
v. pi·rat·ed, pi·rat·ing, pi·rates
v.tr.
1. To attack and rob (a ship at sea).
2. To take (something) by piracy.
3. To make use of or reproduce (another's work) without authorization.


The act of robbing, is theft.

another thread to do that argument instead of here, please move it.

I've been planning on picking up Torchlight for a while. It's done by much of the D2 crew, from what I understand. Torchlight 2 is coming out soon as well.

Yes please...This thread is turning into the blizzard D3 forums.

Inorite sounds like some kind of mineral.

Last I checked this thread was "Diablo 3" not "Pirating, Right/Wrong?". Take it elsewhere guys.