No it doesn't, NOT nerfing things ASAP and letting people farm boring exploits/goblins/chests for months ruins the game and makes it dull. I can also pretty much access any act I want 100%, I barely have to go through any RP or "story". Press spacebar, it only wastes maybe 1 minute total per act. I don't understand the "Have to sit through crappy story" complaint. the ONLY bad part is you can't switch acts mid game, but why would you? You lose the NV stack from going to another next.

Every act besides act4 has really good farm spots, and at least 1 zone with TONS of dungeons(usually random, not random for act3) with tons of elites/resp chests/random events. Those are great farm spots, and easily accessible too. Start at one part of an act(doesn't need to be the beginning) then farm all the elite packs/dungeons/zones until you're satisfied, or just keep going until the end of the act.

If you think spam killing a helpless goblin, spam creating games to spawn gold chests, or spam killing easy bosses/super uniques in ~15 seconds is a super exciting fun game, then I don't know what to say. I do however know that Blizzard disagrees with you, and will not let the game turn into that.

I've never spammed a goblin in my gametime. I personally do enjoy killing enemies more than a goblin... Still, Nerfing everything that doesn't fall in line with their vision is making Diablo 3 having very strong MMO vibes, which is not what Diablo was all about... or any ARPG tbh. Despite being online, Diablo is a Single Player/Co-Op ARPG, not an MMO. But its being treated like an MMO in terms of Hotfixes, Nerfs, and design.

Someone farming gold and Items in a fashion easier than what you're doing should not be considered a crime worth nerfing as it is now. According to Blizzard, Diablo 3 was designed without the AH in mind, So using the Auction House is an Optional game feature, So things should not be nerfed simply to control the Auction house from its inflation and over-saturation.

Right now, the game economy is already screwed beyond repair anyway, just 3 weeks after release and i see Items on the Auction House for 20mil~50mil... selling regularly. Gold is about as valuable as it was in Diablo 2.

Sorry If i seem a little confused or upset as to why someone thinks that balancing and removing any hint of fun that doesn't specifically apply to what they find "Fun" is acceptable just because they find a moral problem with killing Treasure Goblins. Why is your idea of "Fun" more reasonable then theirs? What if they like farming goblins? Why should their idea of fun be nerfed because its not fun for you? Do you realize how hypocritical you sound saying this?

Fun is fun no matter where you find it. Sadly, Diablo is all about grinding, so there will always be spots that are better farmed, right now, any spot that gets farmed regularly because its less tedious than other farming spots is nerfed. It would be like if Diablo II Nerfed Baal runs because its what people did the most... it makes no sense.

Edit: Trying to make it not sound horrifically insulting and mean. Having hard time. stick with me here.
Edit2: Done, Best I could do.

It's not fun for the majority of players, or fun in blizzards mind. Blizzard is doing a fine job at making sure the game remains fun and enjoyable, and not a stupid boss killing/expoiting/duping/hacking fest that diablo2 was.

It's not just nerfing for the AH, it's nerfing for EVERYONE. People will feel like they're FORCED to go farm a goblin, to go farm a boss, to go farm chests, because it's easier/faster than the intended gameplay design. Diablo2 had no AH, but people all MFed the same way because it was the most efficient way to get items. Boring? Yep, that's why most people botted. It's also much harder to bot random elite inferno packs without insane gear than it is to bot jars with almost no mobs around(act1 crypts), goblins that don't fight back, chests with high spawn rates, etc.

Whether you disagree or agree with what I'm saying is fun, and what I'm saying is mindlessly boring, Blizzard is what matters here. They think elite packs are better, and they will do everything in their power to keep it that way.

MMO's aren't the only genre of video games that should receive hotfixes and nerfs, all video games should receive this quality level of dedication from their devs. It shows they have a real vision for their game and care about it. Right now Diablo3 is literally unplayable for me and many friends, we do not find act2+ inferno fun at ALL, it's actually negative fun. If 1.03 wasn't coming out soon we wouldn't ever play diablo3 again.

I do agree the economy is complete crap right now, but so is pretty much the entire game. The fast nerfing of exploitable/easily farmed spots/hacks(to be seen)/bots(to be seen..), plus a probably soon incoming ladder system + annual ladder reset system will be a huge step in making sure Diablo3's economy stays in a good place, plus the incoming 1.03 patch makes the game actually playable in inferno past act1 ;p

These fast nerfs and hotfixes exist because they released the game too soon, and they basically hinted at overtuning act2+ inferno so that they could use it as a test server for nerfing blatantly overpowered abilities/builds asap.

Boss Killing is still the main focus, In fact, Their vision was entirely built around Farming 5 Nephs then doing a Boss run. However, They're not changing this by Nerfing bOss drops, and buffing a bit of Elite/Champs.

And again, Its just "not fun for me, Therefore, I demand it be nerfed". Its simply not really a mindset i understand or agree with.

In reality, It doesn't effect me at all, Until its nerfed because Blizzard disagrees with it. So them fixing it is causing me, and you rather you know it or not, more issues than the farmers, because in the end, We'll suffer less drop rates, less gold, and lower goblin spawn rates because of it.


How many times have you logged into Diablo and said "Well, I wanted to do Boss runs, but f**k it all, Those people are farming goblins, So i have too as well since it seems better!".

None right? That sound right there is your argument crashing out the window.

I've never logged into Diablo and wanted to do a boss run, only to say "Well sh*t, I can't cause Goblins are better". People farming specific spots will never force every player to use that spot. some people will fall into the pattern, But is that going to stop you from enjoying the game your way?

I don't think it will. I bet you'd still play the way you find most fun.

I mean... I see where you're coming from, I just don't agree with it. Games should be about fun first, for everyone, not just fun for the people blizzard feels deserves to have fun in their vision of fun.


So with or without the Auction house, people find efficient ways to progress. So, Just throwing this out there, People finding efficient ways to do things effects how you do things... How?

Does someone farming a goblin suddenly make your farming spot less viable? Does someone farming a Goblin mean you get less fun out of Boss runs?

I'm still trying to figure out how them doing this effects your fun, and why it deserves to be nerfed. No matter how much they nerf, "Easy" Farm spots will always emerge. You know it, I know. Nothing they do is going to stop people from finding the easiest farming spots and using them.


And i know they'll do whatever they want, Doesn't mean i have to agree with it. The reason people are looking so hard for easy farming spots in Diablo 3 is because its an unrewarding game that gives you garbage most of the time... Its more tedious and difficult than it is fun. Right now, the game is losing its fun factor because I'm noticing nerfs that were intended for botters.

I was running through Royal Crypt, i went through on normal and it gave good gold, When i came to inferno i looked forward to it... But it was nerfed because of botters, So when i hit Royal Crypts, after breaking every single pot in there, You know what i got? 1 Single gold. Yes, on Inferno, a pot dropped 1 gold, with 5 Neph Valor.

Just saying, there's a 100k/Hour farm spot that can be botted with a script that requires like <30 lines of code. All it does is resume game, click twice, exit game, resume game.

That's because right now inferno is literally not meant to be played above act1. The game is complete garbage until 1.03 besides 1-59. You also cannot argue fun, but you can argue what the devs behind the game want, and they want elite packs killed and farmed for the best loot, so stop talking about it because it doesn't matter what either of us thinks, only what blizzard thinks and wants. You can say all you want, but you will have to obey Blizzard. If you don't agree with it, Diablo2 servers are still up and running, and so are other games. Blizzard will not change their minds, deal with the design choices or quit.

They simply want to eliminate any "easy" farming spots to make farming actually SOMEWHAT interesting.

This isn't FFXI, we don't have to put up with horribly designed content because we're dealing with devs who don't play or understand the game we're playing at all, or don't have an actual vision for the game.


edit: I see you edited your post a lot, cause you came off extremely rude and insulting the first time I read it <___<


They actually want bosses to matter less, so bosses only drop 1 rares instead of 2 and elites always drop 1 rare at 5/5 now.

edit2: It effects my fun because it makes me feel like I need to go farm boring bosses/super uniques/goblins/gold chests in order to get anywhere.If I wanted to make money and farm good items right now, I would HAVE to do that until I completely outgear the content(4000 years later..), which is exactly why I don't play. Next patch my way of playing is the most efficient and best/intended way of farming, plus inferno is tuned properly past act2, AND I'll be able to gear up in my current act for the next act, or farm any act I want for upgrades. Tons of choices, plus co-op is fixed so I can play with my friends yay!(or my one special buddy) Yes, I know co-op is fixed already, but inferno still isn't fun until 1.03.

All the ninja edits!

EDIT ALL THE POSTS!

I think the game has a lot of flaws but they seem to be working on them and fixing them rather quickly. My main concern is the fact that items are pretty boring and bland, and a lot of skills are completely useless for most classes, but they said they'd at least work on class balance in the PVP patch.

Items though...meh. This game has a ton more USEFUL items than diablo2, but the stats are really boring. Yay +50 dex upgrade how exciting!

OMG I FOUND A TITANS REVENGE I CAN NOW MAKE A JAVAZON!

edit: Oh also, public games. I raged so hard over that yesterday. Why is it set up to be so anti-social? Why is every video game set up to be so anti-social now? I literally can't make friends on Diablo3's public game format, I have to play with already existing friends or solo because of how badly it's designed. What if I want to do MF runs? What if I want to do whimshyshire(sp)? How are people supposed to know that? NO CUSTOM GAMES, JUST RANDOM MATCH MAKING.

Seriously? Match making in a ARPG? What am I being matched with, people with similar APM? LOL? This isn't xbox live, idiot activision, we don't need a dumbed down HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE anti-social 0 private chat channels barley any chat interfaced system for casuals.

See, thats a lame mindset man. "Dont like it, Quit". I bought Diablo 3 Because it had so much hype and because i Loved diablo 2, and was looking forward to a true sequal. What i got was World of DiabloCraft. I can be just a tad upset at how they turned a timelessly addicting game like Diablo 2 into another cheaply made cash-cow, can't I?

I'm upset at the game because it has so much wasted potential, And i want it to fulfill that potential. As far as "Stop discussing it" goes, I'm not talking to you because i think its going to change Blizzards mind, I'm on the FFXIAH forums for christ sake, If i thought what i said was going to matter, I'd be complaining on the Official Battle.net Forums, Not here.

Here's I'm just having a conversation between fellas with different opinions, bullsh*tting if you're a little Broseph/redneck.


Yah, I edit my posts, a lot. Its not really something i can control.

When i first make a response, my natural feeling is upset. But i realize that its just two dudes talking about their opinions and what not, so I edit out as much mean as i can. Cause in the end, both of us are just expressing opinions man.


That what i said, Though i did Typo it. When the game was being release, Fuc- I mean, Jay wilson, designed it around 5x Neph > Boss run, But now are going to a "We dont like that anymore" approach because they realized after boss runs, People generally exited the game, Which was apparently bad jojo.

the typo'd. It suppose to say "Now" not, "Not".

... Accidentally deleted it, IDK how.

And this is where i realize we essentially have the same opinion. Diablo 3's items were very ... "MMO'd", There's a video floating around on Youtube that expressed my feelings very easily.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hI4peeO3yzY

FOUND IT^

Yeah I agree 100% with that video x_x

The AH completely kills the game for me, it's why I don't use it AT ALL. I love finding items and upgrades, I love finding LOOT, I don't want to farm gold and just buy upgrades! That isn't diablo to me, that's boring and stupid.

I've actually been playing Diablo II lately more than Diablo III, Seeing how much they did wrong in 3 makes me wonder if the people who made/directed the game even picked up Diablo 2 or understood why people enjoyed it...

I mean, Diablo 3 to me is the game i'm going to stop playing in a week, and check in on it a year from now to see if its improved, Just seems like its not worth the time right now.

And as described in the video, you know the first expansion is going to "sell" us the Level cap increase (otherwise they'd of made it 99 from the beginning), Which with the current item system, Is going to outdate everything we're using.

That video is right on the dot. Hell, in D2 i didnt even know of d2jsp for the first 6 years i played(out of 10).

Why you no reply to my PMs? :( Karbuncle

I'm already bored of diablo3, my duo buddy got bored of it looong ago and hates me for forcing him to play with me all the time ;x

I'll have a ton of fun again after 1.03, which I'm currently waiting for(I hope it's Tuesday ), but I'm not sure if that fun will last a long time.

Lol, My eyes are in the sh*tter so the text is zoomed in, Can't even see the side of my screen to notice i had PMs XD

After the cap increases, whats going to happen to all the iconic sets like Immortal King and Tal Rasha? Phasing them out as level 60 sets feels like blasphemy...

thought they were upgrading legendary/set gear but the ones currently out in the game aren't going to be updated ie. won't be retroactive

I do remember hearing that. How would that work though? I don't see how you could have a level 60 IK set and a 99 set. I also don't think you could just raise the cap on current set items either because then the stats would be way off.

Well, Maybe Iconic Sets will stay Iconic Nostalgia, and they'll pump out new and greater armor at 99.

And hopefully they'll just straight raise the cap to 99 instead of increments of +5 levels per expansion too lol.

It's hard for me to imagine them lifting the level cap at all in a game that depends so heavily on gear. It's already such a disjointed mess, with gear from 51-60 spanning out easily what should have ended up in the upper 80s, if the previous 50 levels were any indication. 61-95 would look a lot like 1-50 did if they released it in one chunk, with another exponential gain at 96+ or so to keep up the same facade of an actual endgame.

I can't see them doing +5 level increments simply because of story limitations. Hell, I don't even know what direction the story could possibly take at this point even if there's only 1 expansion, that wouldn't end up feeling like some HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE Saturday morning cartoon. Level increments would have fit well with an episodic content release schedule, but with the structure of actI-IV/normal-inferno, episodic content seems impossible.

This game needs uniques.

Pretty sure the expansion will be about Imperious. It seemed pretty obvious that he wanted to exterminate the humans by the end of act 4.

edit: also, there were many references throughout the game about the angels being just as bad as the demons.

they just throw in new items with the same name, but better stats

My biggest fear is the eventual release of Ladder >_>, seemed like a major gimmick with D2.

I mentioned it as the only way I saw incremental level caps working. What I'm more afraid of is them releasing a full expansion, but it only goes up to say, lv80, so we have to wait for yet another one to go to 99. Then you'd have paid for 2 expansions, each probably $40-50, (so $90 total or so in expansions), where $5 episodes for +5 level increments would only total $40 to get you up to 99 and it wouldn't put such strain on them storywise, since each episode would only be the size of 1-2 chapters.

However due to the structure of acts/difficulties, episodes are pretty much impossible or wouldn't make any sense. Then again, adding Act V to each difficulty in D2 didn't make much sense either.

There are a lot of loose ends, Imperious being one of them. I'd love to see a story about him, unfortunately, Diablo laid waste to Imperious, and the nephelem consequently laid waste to Diablo. What does that say about how much of a challenge Imperious could logically pose?

Like I said, the writing will have to pretty much turn into garbage to progress the story at this point. Loose ends though there may be, none of them could possibly be a threat to our heroes at this point without some major pulling something out of blizzard's collective ***.

Ladder is required in diablo to work properly.

ladder or gtfo >:[

6 months - 1 year if D2 is anything to go off of, to farm gear before it becomes worthless to do it again, idk :( seems like it hinders all efforts of play.

In the current state of the game given how terrible the economy is due to all the dupes and what not, it would be needed to fix this crap.