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Voidwatch FC: Weakness System Adjustments
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By Siren.Kalilla 2012-04-02 15:04:44
| 03-30-2012 01:53 PM | | Camate | | Community Rep |  |
| I have quite a bit of information to share regarding adjustments to the weakness system for the final chapter of Voidwatch.
Mizuki Ito said: Hello. Director Mizuki Ito here.
For the final chapter of Voidwatch, we are currently revamping the effects of weakness exploitation as well as weakness options. Below I will explain about the plans for each adjustment and specific adjustment content.
Effect of weakness exploitation revamps
Currently, the main objective of exploiting weaknesses has been to gain temporary items, but we would like to improve this and make the actual action of exploiting a weakness elicit an effect that is advantageous in battle (weakening a monster’s attack).The severity of the effect will be larger with the amount of “!” weaknesses hit, with the maximum gains coming from weakness exploits with “!!!!!”.
Weakness option revamps
Based on feedback, we are working on improving this aspect, with focus on those options that are difficult to exploit weaknesses.
Specifically for the current adjustments, we will be revamping the below, focusing on abilities and spells acquired via merit points as well as special abilities of pets.
- Removal of abilities/spells acquired via merit points
We will be removing these from the weakness options due to the large effects it is eliciting on restricting the freedom of how players can spend their merit points. - Weakness adjustments related to pet’s special abilities
With the limited number of options available for pets as well as the frequency of use when compared to other jobs, it is more difficult to exploit weaknesses. Therefore, in order to improve this aspect, we will be adjusting this by focusing on refinement.
The below outlines the adjustments for each pet.
- Familiars
Consolidated to the special ability “Sheep Charge”(Sheep).
(This was chosen based on pet level, amount of HP, attack power, and jug cost.) - Wyverns
Breath will be removed as an option.
While wyverns will lose the special ability for weakness, dragoon job abilities can be utilized. - Avatars
Consolidated to one option for each avatar.
- Carbuncle: Holy Mist
- Fenrir: Lunar Bay
- Ifrit: Fire IV
- Shiva: Blizzard IV
- Garuda: Aero IV
- Titan: Stone IV
- Ramuh: Thunder IV
- Leviathan: Water IV
- Diabolos: Night Terror
- Automaton
Consolidated to the special ability “Armor Shatterer” (Sharpshot frame).
(This was chosen based on the fact that it is possible to attack from long-distance without getting close.)
- Adjustments for other job abilities
- Replace Bounty Shot with Shadowbind
- Replace Modus Veritas with Libra
- Addition of Bully to weakness options
※For each option that will be removed, we will be replacing it with a spell or ability for that same job, and we will be doing our best so that ratio in which each job can exploit weakness does not change.
(We will only be reducing the number of options and will make it so that the utility of that job is not reduced.)
In regards to these revamps for the weakness effects and weakness options, based on feedback for the final chapter, we would like to continue making adjustments and ultimately reflect these changes in the previous chapters of Voidwatch.
Finally, in regards to adjustment progress, as long as everything continues to go smoothly, we estimate that we will be able to implement the above content.
By all means, please give us your feedback on these adjustments as well as feedback after implementation. |
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| 04-16-2012 07:45 PM | | Rukkirii | | Community Rep |  |
| Greetings,
Mocchi was able to speak to the dev. team to clarify a few things in regards to the Voidwatch Final Chapter regarding loot and weaknesses.
A player asked whether or not drop rates would be affected by Treasure Hunter, which caused some strategies to be changed around when compared to previous chapters. We can say that yes, Treasure Hunter does have an effect on loot drop rates and we plan on further increasing gear drop rates on top of this as well.
Some players suggested that we remove the low quality drops, or “useless” items, from the rewards at the end. We aren’t providing those lower tier rewards to cause players to be upset, and it is possible for us make it so those drops are removed and no item drops in their place instead.
However, if we were to replace certain items that are perceived as useless, with no drop players may feel that the loot system is bugged when they don’t receive any reward. As such, we would like to provide some sort of drop each time. Also, we have received many comments asking that the items dropped are improved slightly, but we have no plans to make any adjustments at the moment. We feel that we have to draw a line somewhere, or else the requests would begin to get out of hand. As such, we will maintain our current system.
We understand those that would like the drop rates of scrolls to be raised, but we consider gear to be the main aspect of rewards from the final chapter of Voidwatch. Since Arise and Meteor can be obtained through other content, we will maintain their current drop rates.
Weaknesses
Beastmaster
It seems like opinions are split on call beasts. Seems like there are bit more calls for Gerard to be used, but we would like to continue to receive feedback.
Puppetmaster
For PUP’s weakness, we’re considering using “Strobe” as their trigger.
What about implementing weakness regardless of specific pets, avatars or automaton frames?
We didn’t touch on this last time, but in terms of this function, it will be implemented. However, we have to consider if it is acceptable to place weaknesses on support jobs when it comes to adding weaknesses to SMNs and PUPs.
To explain what we are trying to accomplish: we want to offer an exploitable weakness from the player’s pet/avatar/automaton at a certain rate if they use a special ability. Basically, we’re not trying to make it so “certain abilities will always result in a weakness trigger.” The reason is that it would be too difficult to manage which abilities are used in which situation when also needing to consider weaknesses in battle. | |
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By Bismarck.Sylow 2012-04-02 15:11:45
Those are good, why are you sighing? :P
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By Siren.Kalilla 2012-04-02 15:13:33
Those are good, why are you sighing? :P The title ~.~ I can't edit it
It's driving me crazy D:!
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By Bismarck.Sylow 2012-04-02 15:16:09
I'm so used to the internet, my brain has internal interpretive spell-check.
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By Odin.Frescora 2012-04-02 15:32:32
Are these adjustments going to affect all the VW, or just the FC? I usually end up going as SMN to VW, so while it'll be nice to not have to cycle through as many as 7 BP looking for proc, I think limiting the avatar procs to t4 spells is making it too easy. As for losing the meritable procs, I can see the pros and cons. Not many WARs merited Tomahawk, much less actually had a tomahawk to toss at NM. Or some SAMs didn't feel a need to merit Blade Bash. But more times than not, I've seen the spells are more likely merited than abilities.
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By Bismarck.Sylow 2012-04-02 15:36:06
Currently, only the final chapter.
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By Bismarck.Sylow 2012-04-02 15:37:17
I think limiting the avatar procs to t4 spells is making it too easy.
No. There always should have been a maximum of one BP per avatar. The way it was was just stupid.
This allows for more strategic triggering.
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By Bismarck.Disguise 2012-04-02 15:38:51
Has the final chapter been implemented into the game for players to go and do?
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By Odin.Tsuneo 2012-04-02 15:43:35
It's in the game now. If anyone has been there, did the zone have that music that was found awhile ago?
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By Bismarck.Disguise 2012-04-02 15:47:24
It's in the game now. If anyone has been there, did the zone have that music that was found awhile ago? Okay then, thanks. Any idea on how to get there?
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2012-04-02 15:52:40
It has the more serene track playing when not in combat. I'd imagine the combat music the more active piece.
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By Bismarck.Snprphnx 2012-04-02 15:55:39
did SE bork Bismarck? adds jumping hate randomly, even when fair away and procced
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By Lakshmi.Kolvar 2012-04-02 15:58:38
Feels more like a dumbing down of an already simple thing. While I love the Wyvern breath part, because that pissed me off more then anything, the rest seems a bit much I guess.
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By Bismarck.Phetty 2012-04-02 15:59:39
SE why you forget Blu? Seriously they forgot to either address the number of blu procs or removing the wait under vw status. At least they fixed lolbst and forced them into using sheep.
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2012-04-02 15:59:49
Feels more like a dumbing down of an already simple thing. While I love the Wyvern breath part, because that pissed me off more then anything, the rest seems a bit much I guess.
If you seriously thought PUP, BST, and SMN procs were ok then I don't know what kind of world you live in.
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By Lakshmi.Kolvar 2012-04-02 16:04:19
Valefor.Prothescar said: »Feels more like a dumbing down of an already simple thing. While I love the Wyvern breath part, because that pissed me off more then anything, the rest seems a bit much I guess.
If you seriously thought PUP, BST, and SMN procs were ok then I don't know what kind of world you live in.
Dropping from all BP procables to 1, seems a bit much. They could of went down to maybe half. Making it so BST only needs to have 1 thing, again seems a bit much. Are they going to make it so that all WSs are one WS procs only next?
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By Phoenix.Sehachan 2012-04-02 16:05:25
Isn't sheep a terrible choice out of all the pets they could chose?
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2012-04-02 16:06:07
Valefor.Prothescar said: »Feels more like a dumbing down of an already simple thing. While I love the Wyvern breath part, because that pissed me off more then anything, the rest seems a bit much I guess.
If you seriously thought PUP, BST, and SMN procs were ok then I don't know what kind of world you live in.
Dropping from all BP procables to 1, seems a bit much. They could of went down to maybe half. Making it so BST only needs to have 1 thing, again seems a bit much. Are they going to make it so that all WSs are one WS procs only next?
Weaponskills aren't restricted to a 45 second recast timer.
Isn't sheep a terrible choice out of all the pets they could chose?
Meh. All BST pets are terrible.
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By Cerberus.Maeldiar 2012-04-02 17:12:36
It's in the game now. If anyone has been there, did the zone have that music that was found awhile ago?
i forgot what music was found, but seems 2 new music tracks in here so far
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By Cerberus.Maeldiar 2012-04-02 17:34:24
and no the music doesnt change in battle lol
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By Ragnarok.Anye 2012-04-02 19:15:22
Those are good, why are you sighing? :P The title ~.~ I can't edit it
It's driving me crazy D:! XD <3
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By Asura.Vrytreya 2012-04-02 19:40:11
SE why you forget Blu? Seriously they forgot to either address the number of blu procs or removing the wait under vw status. This
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By Bahamut.Zangada 2012-04-02 19:51:59
SE why you forget Blu? Seriously they forgot to either address the number of blu procs or removing the wait under vw status. This
It's not that hard to just get 2 blu's for all the spells.
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By Lakshmi.Prinnysmash 2012-04-02 19:56:25
Using two blus to set every spell is wasting 2 slots. Wait 60 seconds for the one blu to change spells and deal with it.
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By Siren.Kalilla 2012-04-02 20:59:28
Those are good, why are you sighing? :P The title ~.~ I can't edit it
It's driving me crazy D:! XD <3 thank you Anye ; ;
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By Leviathan.Quetzacoatl 2012-04-02 21:07:24
Lakshmi.Prinnysmash said: »Using two blus to set every spell is wasting 2 slots. Wait 60 seconds for the one blu to change spells and deal with it. 
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By Ragnarok.Eriina 2012-04-02 21:18:20
Lakshmi.Prinnysmash said: »Using two blus to set every spell is wasting 2 slots. Wait 60 seconds for the one blu to change spells and deal with it.
riiight because a blu that's blocking up the proc list by needing to change spels multiple times is good game design.
last night on Aello blu fire came, while proccing that blu light came up which i didnt have set. So about 10 more seconds to finish proccing fire, swap out earth put in light, wait a minute.
while waiting for spells to cool earth and ice came up, neither of which i had on, so finish waiting for cool, proc light, take off light and wind, set earth and ice, begin waiting.
coulda been onto other procs for other jobs like 5 minutes ago keeping him locked up, but yeah i guess waiting 60 seconds each time is the fun part?
brilliant
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| 03-30-2012 01:53 PM | | Camate | | Community Rep | |
| I have quite a bit of information to share regarding adjustments to the weakness system for the final chapter of Voidwatch.
Mizuki Ito said: Hello. Director Mizuki Ito here.
For the final chapter of Voidwatch, we are currently revamping the effects of weakness exploitation as well as weakness options. Below I will explain about the plans for each adjustment and specific adjustment content.
Effect of weakness exploitation revamps
Currently, the main objective of exploiting weaknesses has been to gain temporary items, but we would like to improve this and make the actual action of exploiting a weakness elicit an effect that is advantageous in battle (weakening a monster’s attack).The severity of the effect will be larger with the amount of “!” weaknesses hit, with the maximum gains coming from weakness exploits with “!!!!!”.
Weakness option revamps
Based on feedback, we are working on improving this aspect, with focus on those options that are difficult to exploit weaknesses.
Specifically for the current adjustments, we will be revamping the below, focusing on abilities and spells acquired via merit points as well as special abilities of pets.
- Removal of abilities/spells acquired via merit points
We will be removing these from the weakness options due to the large effects it is eliciting on restricting the freedom of how players can spend their merit points. - Weakness adjustments related to pet’s special abilities
With the limited number of options available for pets as well as the frequency of use when compared to other jobs, it is more difficult to exploit weaknesses. Therefore, in order to improve this aspect, we will be adjusting this by focusing on refinement.
The below outlines the adjustments for each pet.
- Familiars
Consolidated to the special ability “Sheep Charge”(Sheep).
(This was chosen based on pet level, amount of HP, attack power, and jug cost.) - Wyverns
Breath will be removed as an option.
While wyverns will lose the special ability for weakness, dragoon job abilities can be utilized. - Avatars
Consolidated to one option for each avatar.
- Carbuncle: Holy Mist
- Fenrir: Lunar Bay
- Ifrit: Fire IV
- Shiva: Blizzard IV
- Garuda: Aero IV
- Titan: Stone IV
- Ramuh: Thunder IV
- Leviathan: Water IV
- Diabolos: Night Terror
- Automaton
Consolidated to the special ability “Armor Shatterer” (Sharpshot frame).
(This was chosen based on the fact that it is possible to attack from long-distance without getting close.)
- Adjustments for other job abilities
- Replace Bounty Shot with Shadowbind
- Replace Modus Veritas with Libra
- Addition of Bully to weakness options
※For each option that will be removed, we will be replacing it with a spell or ability for that same job, and we will be doing our best so that ratio in which each job can exploit weakness does not change.
(We will only be reducing the number of options and will make it so that the utility of that job is not reduced.)
In regards to these revamps for the weakness effects and weakness options, based on feedback for the final chapter, we would like to continue making adjustments and ultimately reflect these changes in the previous chapters of Voidwatch.
Finally, in regards to adjustment progress, as long as everything continues to go smoothly, we estimate that we will be able to implement the above content.
By all means, please give us your feedback on these adjustments as well as feedback after implementation. |
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| 04-16-2012 07:45 PM | | Rukkirii | | Community Rep | |
| Greetings,
Mocchi was able to speak to the dev. team to clarify a few things in regards to the Voidwatch Final Chapter regarding loot and weaknesses.
A player asked whether or not drop rates would be affected by Treasure Hunter, which caused some strategies to be changed around when compared to previous chapters. We can say that yes, Treasure Hunter does have an effect on loot drop rates and we plan on further increasing gear drop rates on top of this as well.
Some players suggested that we remove the low quality drops, or “useless” items, from the rewards at the end. We aren’t providing those lower tier rewards to cause players to be upset, and it is possible for us make it so those drops are removed and no item drops in their place instead.
However, if we were to replace certain items that are perceived as useless, with no drop players may feel that the loot system is bugged when they don’t receive any reward. As such, we would like to provide some sort of drop each time. Also, we have received many comments asking that the items dropped are improved slightly, but we have no plans to make any adjustments at the moment. We feel that we have to draw a line somewhere, or else the requests would begin to get out of hand. As such, we will maintain our current system.
We understand those that would like the drop rates of scrolls to be raised, but we consider gear to be the main aspect of rewards from the final chapter of Voidwatch. Since Arise and Meteor can be obtained through other content, we will maintain their current drop rates.
Weaknesses
Beastmaster
It seems like opinions are split on call beasts. Seems like there are bit more calls for Gerard to be used, but we would like to continue to receive feedback.
Puppetmaster
For PUP’s weakness, we’re considering using “Strobe” as their trigger.
What about implementing weakness regardless of specific pets, avatars or automaton frames?
We didn’t touch on this last time, but in terms of this function, it will be implemented. However, we have to consider if it is acceptable to place weaknesses on support jobs when it comes to adding weaknesses to SMNs and PUPs.
To explain what we are trying to accomplish: we want to offer an exploitable weakness from the player’s pet/avatar/automaton at a certain rate if they use a special ability. Basically, we’re not trying to make it so “certain abilities will always result in a weakness trigger.” The reason is that it would be too difficult to manage which abilities are used in which situation when also needing to consider weaknesses in battle. | |
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