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By Cerberus.Lightvision 2011-09-15 14:45:41
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Ragnarok.Hyshio said: »
Bismarck.Misao said: »
question is, would FF11 run on it?
lol (not that I have played in a couple months)
my desktop has been buggy lately, and itching for a full re-install, tempted to try this after some more feedback, tho the touchscreen sounds more of a pain that is useful, especially after eating Doritos or Cheetos.

nice post btw Ase

According to someone on the Windower forums FFXI itself runs fine. Its Windower that does not. We plan to make this work as an exclusive 3.5 fix when more testing is done.

that would be me, i have Win7 and Win8 duel boot, so if needs testing on windows8 then i am all up for helping with that, the lastest windower does not run but V4 does
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By Carbuncle.Flionheart 2011-09-15 14:46:53
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Macintosh has a larger finger in the pie since Steam has been ported over to it, and with a windows emulator Mac and Ubuntu can play windows games relatively easily. I don't think Apple should have a larger part of the market, they do enough damage as is, imo. They take away what makes PC's in general, great.
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By Caitsith.Mahayaya 2011-09-15 14:54:55
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Carbuncle.Flionheart said: »
Macintosh has a larger finger in the pie since Steam has been ported over to it, and with a windows emulator Mac and Ubuntu can play windows games relatively easily. I don't think Apple should have a larger part of the market, they do enough damage as is, imo. They take away what makes PC's in general, great.

Emulation will never perform as well as playing a game that was ported to the system. You can run Crysis well on pretty much any stock computer now as long as you put a decent video card in it with Windows. However, with emulation slowing things down you'd need a top of the line computer just to match that with Mac/Ubuntu. That's a 4-year old game, so good luck having similar results with Crysis II or some newer games.
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By Cerberus.Lightvision 2011-09-15 14:55:33
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Lakshmi.Hypnotizd said: »
Carbuncle.Flionheart said: »
I'm pretty surprised tbh. Microsoft tends to follow a pretty rigid system of

Bad (Windows 3.0)
Good (Windows 3.2) 3.2? Don't you mean 3.1 / 3.11?
Bad (Windows 95)
Good (Windows 98)
Bad (Windows ME)
Good (Windows XP)
Bad (Windows Vista)
Good (Windows 7)

Through all logic, windows 8 should be bad D:
This is exactly what I'm thinking is going to happen. That UI sucks and I fully expect this to be the next Windows ME.

Edit: The UI is ok for a cellphone or tablet, but keep that crap off my desktop.

as i said
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although this is a developer preview release so the focus is to get people used to developing for the metro UI so in the final release i think there will be the option to disable it anyways and possibly more customization to the metro UI
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By Carbuncle.Ianpyst 2011-09-15 15:03:51
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Ragnarok.Corres said: »
Carbuncle.Ianpyst said: »
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Ok, so far...
  • Boots up faster than Windows 7. A lot faster. From POST to Desktop, it's approximately 4 to 5 minutes for Windows 7 (non-SSD); compared to approximately 2 to 3 minutes for Win 8 Pre (non-SSD). Micros

  • It feels noticeable faster than Windows 7. Active processes have dropped a lot (145 to 200 in Win7 vs. 55 to 65 in Win8 Pre).


While I enjoyed your post and agree with most of your points of interest, I have to ask what kind of Windows 7 install are these two points about? For me, Windows 7 Ultimate has a boot time to an idle desktop of under 60 seconds (Non-SSD as well). And current processes with FFXI, iTunes, VMWare, and assorted other applications puts my total at 63 running processes.
same here very fast bootup. i dunno what Aselin has for a rig but Win7 is a lot faster than 4 to 5 minutes for bootup. if that really takes so long on your system Aselin i think you do something very wrong.
edit: and yes i mean from bootup to Desktop it takes for me about 1,5-2 minutes max. depends if i use custom ui.

Well there is definitely something very wrong with their installation, 175-200 is beyond acceptable. Windows 2008 Server with full AD roles and lone domain server settings with website hosting, phone hosting, and other roles, has less active processes. lol :P
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By Bismarck.Dracondria 2011-09-15 15:05:34
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I have 69 processes running, iTunes, skype, µtorrent, msn, vlc, firefox, coretemp etc etc. 200 is a huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuge number >_>
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By Cerberus.Lightvision 2011-09-15 15:09:25
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on windows 7 i have 65 processes running
on Windows 8 i have 43 processes running

it was 50 in windows 8 but i disabled some features like the tablet/touchscreen and it reduced the processes, i also disabled a couple other things too

Windows 7 Boot time: 43 seconds to login screen
Windows 8 Boot time: 14 seconds to login screen

PLEASE NOTE: alot of antivirus software will not install on windows 8
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By Carbuncle.Ianpyst 2011-09-15 15:13:52
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Cerberus.Lightvision said: »
on windows 7 i have 65 processes running
on Windows 8 i have 43 processes running

it was 50 in windows 8 but i disabled some features like the tablet/touchscreen and it reduced the processes, i also disabled a couple other things too

Windows 7 Boot time: 43 seconds to login screen
Windows 8 Boot time: 14 seconds to login screen

PLEASE NOTE: alot of antivirus software will not install on windows 8

That sounds a lot better. 5 mins and 200 processes leads me to some assumptions about their installation. >.<
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By Cerberus.Lightvision 2011-09-15 15:19:55
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some software that i know that works:-

Office 2000
Office 2007
Office 2010
Bently Microstation
Autocad 2010
Autocad 2012
Windows Live Essentials
Adobe CS5 Master Edition
Mouse Without Borders (64 bit only mainly, 32 bit with some minor tweaks to the registry)
Perfect World
FFXI (non Windower, Windower v4 only)
CoD MW 1 & 2
CoD Black Ops
WoW
Winamp
iTunes (although can be iffy at times)
Fluidsim (something i use for college)
Electronic Workbench
Labcenter Proteus
Various VPN, SVN and VNC software
Stardock programs
Visual Studio 2010
Visual Studio 2008
Ventrilo
Firefox all versions
Opera
Google Chrome
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By Carbuncle.Flionheart 2011-09-15 15:21:01
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Any idea if Skype does?
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By Cerberus.Lightvision 2011-09-15 15:21:26
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give me 2 mins and i will tell ya, downloading it now
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By Carbuncle.Ianpyst 2011-09-15 15:22:24
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Cerberus.Lightvision said: »
some software that i know that works:-

Office 2000
Office 2007
Office 2010
Bently Microstation
Autocad 2010
Autocad 2012
Windows Live Essentials
Adobe CS5 Master Edition
Mouse Without Borders (64 bit only mainly, 32 bit with some minor tweaks to the registry)
Perfect World
FFXI (non Windower, Windower v4 only)
CoD MW 1 & 2
CoD Black Ops
WoW
Winamp
iTunes (although can be iffy at times)
Fluidsim (something i use for college)
Electronic Workbench
Labcenter Proteus
Various VPN, SVN and VNC software
Stardock programs
Visual Studio 2010
Visual Studio 2008

While I'm waiting to redownload the full dev release, have you tried VMWare? More specifically Workstation 7+?
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By Quetzalcoatl.Xueye 2011-09-15 15:22:46
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I am so downloading this! It seems awesome!
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By Carbuncle.Flionheart 2011-09-15 15:23:43
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Cerberus.Lightvision said: »
give me 2 mins and i will tell ya, downloading it now

Thanks bud. Skype has been a bit piggy with certain OS
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By Cerberus.Lightvision 2011-09-15 15:25:35
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microsoft's VM works in win8 i donno about others since i dont really use VMWare since i have a PC that is for testing OS's

Skype does not work, it will install be then crash as your trying to tlog in, tried with compatibility mode for XP Vista and 7 and it dont work
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By Cerberus.Nexxus 2011-09-15 15:30:38
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FFXI (non Windower, Windower v4 only)

Have you tried to disable visual themes on the PoL.exe ? (Right clic)

It wasn't working with my windowsblind until i disabled it on Seven, it's maybe following the same path.
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By Cerberus.Lightvision 2011-09-15 15:32:34
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FFXI was the first thing i tried, that was before windows blinds installed, i only use windows blinds on an XP machine, but windower 3 will just not work in admin mode or any compatibility mode
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By Carbuncle.Flionheart 2011-09-15 15:32:59
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Ah thanks. I had a feeling it wouldn't :(
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By Cerberus.Lightvision 2011-09-15 15:37:59
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Ventrilo does work tho, i am happy to test any programs out on windows8, i have 32bit and 64 bit versions i can test on

EDIT: i added the list to my OP of working and non working programs/games

also i never want to VMware it since you loose perforance on the operating system itself, thats the reason i have a test workstation that is 32bit and 64bit compatible, i am now running Windows7 32bit and 64bit, windows 8 32bit and 64 bit

also just to note install time for win8 with dev tools only took 11 mins to install
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By Cerberus.Lightvision 2011-09-15 15:52:46
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i just noticed that if you change the registry key

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer]
RPEnabled from "1" to "0"

this also changes task manager from new style to windows 7 style

you can still get the metro style start menu if you move the cursor the the very bottom left corner of the screen and click, but you get to use the traditional style start menu if you just click the windows icon on the taskbar
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By Cerberus.Lightvision 2011-09-15 16:13:54
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Windows 8 with tradisional start menu


Windows 8 with tradisional start menu + metro menu


UI overlay panneling - something that i love
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By Caitsith.Mahayaya 2011-09-15 16:23:55
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Nice screenshots. With the start menu adjustment doesn't look much different from 7 so good to hear that it takes less time to boot.

(Might want to edit the second screeny for your name too.)
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By Cerberus.Lightvision 2011-09-15 16:40:26
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i just noticed when you restart you get the windows 7 look start bar
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By Phoenix.Oumura 2011-09-15 16:40:35
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Looks very interesting in terms of the Metro UI. Debating whether or not I should partition my HD to give it a shot. I'll wait until you folks can provide a bit more insight. ;p

Gonna be like W7 RC/Beta all over again, though I loved it when I got it back then. Vista could kiss my ***.
Probably going to wait until its a bit more stable before I replace W7 with this, if at all.
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By Cerberus.Lightvision 2011-09-15 17:02:57
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tbh this is NOT a beta release so there will be issues/bugs, its mainly for developers to learn coding for the new UI and companies to update their programs etc, beta should be in about 3-6 months i think

saying that i just installed the 32 bit on my laptop as the main operating system :P
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By Bismarck.Misao 2011-09-16 09:50:42
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dumb question, when would we expect to see this out in stores, pre-loaded on to laptops ?
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By Phoenix.Cathaldus 2011-09-16 09:56:01
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A while yet, they haven't even released the BETA yet. (assuming they will again like they did with Win7)
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By Carbuncle.Kyofooyo 2011-09-16 10:13:41
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As someone mentioned earlier, you can expect it in probably a year. At least, that's what they did with Windows 7 (developer release a year before commercial release)
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By Odin.Kazashi 2011-09-16 10:23:10
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they're also saying that xbox live will be a feature for windows 8, maybe we'll be able to game cross-platform on xbox live?

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By Cerberus.Lightvision 2011-09-17 02:54:38
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there are talks of incorporating xbox live into windows 8 but i think it will be a while before we will see that tho, only time will tell

Bismarck.Misao said: »
dumb question, when would we expect to see this out in stores, pre-loaded on to laptops ?

atm we are in bre-beta so will be atleast 6 months till we see a proper beta maybe a year to 1.5 year till we see a retail release imo

i would see this pre-installed on tablets laptops and desktops, but i hopw there will be more than 1 version, like a version for touchscreen and one for non touchscreen setups, well i hope for that, there is alot of potential for windows 8 and i hope that microsoft dont screw it up