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 Cerberus.Lightvision
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By Cerberus.Lightvision 2011-09-13 16:56:52
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for thise that care and for those those that have been trying out leaked versions or waiting for some sort of official release well MS is making a Developer edition that is available for download at 8 PM PDT

http://dev.windows.com

sorce come from http://www.neowin.net/news/download-windows-8-developer-preview-tonight-at-8-pm-pdt

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Office 2007
Office 2010
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Perfect World
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CoD MW 1 & 2
CoD Black Ops
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iTunes (although can be iffy at times)
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Electronic Workbench
Labcenter Proteus
Various VPN, SVN and VNC software
Stardock programs
Visual Studio 2010
Visual Studio 2008
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Opera
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By Carbuncle.Cardinalgate 2011-09-13 17:09:27
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im happy with WinXP, Win7 and Linxus
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By Cerberus.Lightvision 2011-09-13 19:42:33
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Windows Developer Preview with developer tools English, 64-bit (x64)

DOWNLOAD (4.8 GB)

Sha 1 hash - 6FE9352FB59F6D0789AF35D1001BD4E4E81E42AF

All of the following come on a disk image file (.iso). See below for installation instructions.

64-bit Windows Developer Preview
Windows SDK for Metro style apps
Microsoft Visual Studio 11 Express for Windows Developer Preview
Microsoft Expression Blend 5 Developer Preview
28 Metro style apps including the BUILD Conference app


Windows Developer Preview English, 64-bit (x64)

DOWNLOAD(3.6 GB)

Sha 1 hash – 79DBF235FD49F5C1C8F8C04E24BDE6E1D04DA1E9

Includes a disk image file (.iso) to install the Windows Developer Preview and Metro style apps on a 64-bit PC.


Windows Developer Preview English, 32-bit (x86)

DOWNLOAD (2.8 GB)

Sha 1 hash - 4E0698BBABE01ED27582C9FC16AD21C4422913CC

Includes a disk image file (.iso) to install the Windows Developer Preview and Metro style apps on a 32-bit PC.
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By Caitsith.Mahayaya 2011-09-13 20:11:13
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Not gonna download it, but am interested to see screenshots and people's opinions of it.
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By Phoenix.Oumura 2011-09-13 20:25:34
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Looks interesting so far. I personally like the Metro UI and I wouldn't mind seeing it properly adapted to a desktop/notebook setting. The whole touch-screen emphasis has me a bit worried though. I've played with my fair share of touch-based PCs and they always felt clunky.
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By Cerberus.Lightvision 2011-09-13 22:55:58
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yeah tbh its more focused on touchscreen, however you can use the kinnect to interact with it some how but its all a little wierd, slight driver compatibility issues atm on 64 bit on my test machine so going back to 32 bit.

all i can say so far is that its a bit tooooooo green and still to see some ability to customize. i am using Mouse without borders too and i love that program atm.

will post pics when i finish installing the 32 bit version, although i really wanted to use the Windows Developer Preview with developer tools English 64-bit version, however i do have VS2011and can prob get the other apps too.

it installs faster than windows 7 atm, installed from USB np using the "Windows 7 usb/DVD download tool" from CNET. also for some reason you need to install .NET frame work
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By Bismarck.Aselin 2011-09-13 22:59:05
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Downloading it now and going to install it within the next few hours. I'll post how it is.

I've had Windows 7 Beta installed before and ran that as a primary OS up until it was released. I plan on testing it first since Windows 7 has ran incredibly well over Vista. I've only had Vista for 4 whole months before I got fed up with it and went with Windows 7 Beta Build 7000 up to 7 RC, and then final RTM.

The one thing that I'm going to look at first and foremost is the RAM usage and processes Windows 8 uses. It is supposedly much less than Windows 7, and by math using an article on Engadget, about two-thirds less.

The reason is because with my Windows 7 64-bit installation, I'm at 2 to 3 GB free RAM out of 8 GB total after drivers and other background software is loaded. I'm looking to see if Microsoft has truly improved the RAM usage even by a small amount.
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By Cerberus.Lightvision 2011-09-13 23:10:51
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i will say it boots alot faster than windows 7 but there is just WAY TOO MUCH GREEN
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By Shiva.Haptic 2011-09-13 23:14:15
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Is this it?

Meh, I guess I'll be with windows 7 for a long time...
I don't like this whole touch screen ***... I have enough on my phone.
PS: I know you can use mouse, but from the looks... looks like its build ground up for touch screen. Eh idk...
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By Bismarck.Dracondria 2011-09-13 23:26:56
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Typing on touch screen suckssssssssssssss so much, I hate it.
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By Bismarck.Aselin 2011-09-14 03:30:26
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Ok, so far...
  • Boots up faster than Windows 7. A lot faster. From POST to Desktop, it's approximately 4 to 5 minutes for Windows 7 (non-SSD); compared to approximately 2 to 3 minutes for Win 8 Pre (non-SSD). Microsoft has definitely optimized a lot here.

  • Get ready to get used to it because Windows Live ID seems to be the default log in user name and password from this point forward. Windows 8 is now tightly integrated with Live services. This build however did not come with the integrated Live Messenger as shown in some screenshots. I am trying to figure out though if it is in this build or not especially since your user tile pic can appear in the notification area.

  • Metro UI is rather intuitive, seamless and makes the Start Menu seem dated, but... (see below)

  • UI decisions by Microsoft however make some things a bit longer or difficult to do now. For example, Shutdown/Restart/Sleep is now on a single button that's only accessible by hovering your mouse cursor over the Start button then hitting Settings.

  • UI however is all about putting more accessible items through a series of slides. This is pretty much the OS for normal everyday simple minded, non-techy people.

  • I have yet to make IE 10 non-tablet the default browser instead of the tablet version. Until I figure that out, I'm going to stick to either Chrome or FF.

  • Only driver I've had issue installing is my Intel Gigabit CT NIC since the setup file refuses to run in Win 8 Pre-B. I've let it use the built-in Windows driver and no issues there.

  • It feels noticeable faster than Windows 7. Active processes have dropped a lot (145 to 200 in Win7 vs. 55 to 65 in Win8 Pre).

  • It takes longer than usual though to find programs not pinned to the Metro UI slide. I'm still trying to figure that out at the moment-- how to access a normal Start Menu instead of the Metro UI app slider.

  • No option that I've seen so far yet to change the green background. Another thing I'm trying to find out how to change.

  • ClearType seems to have improved a lot now-- both on an LCD monitor and an LCD HDTV.

  • If you have more than one monitor, you can set one screen to have the Metro UI slides and the other a Desktop view. I've yet to figure out how to get multiple desktops that was mentioned to be included in Windows 8.

  • Driver issues that plagued Vista at launch is practically almost a non-issue in Windows 8 as Windows 7 drivers will work in 8. (That's if the program doesn't use some silly OS detection like my Intel Proset drivers. Creative drivers had a pop up and it went off without a problem.)


It feels like being on Windows 7 Beta all over again. It's taking time to figure out how everything works. On the surface, it's pretty much like Windows 7 but deeper inside, it's entirely different. Very different.

The Ribbon UI in Windows Explorer makes some advanced options more accessible to novice and advanced users.

IE 10 seems to run better than IE 9.

The Metro UI seems to work well on large screens thanks to the large font and icon tiles.

If you are used to the basic Windows interface that hasn't changed much since Windows 95-- Start Menu, etc.-- you will probably not like this OS. This is definitely pointed towards a touch-based interface future and it seems Microsoft (along with other companies) are pushing towards it. So, we'll probably have to get used to it sooner or later just like in those sci-fi flicks and TV shows.
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By Carbuncle.Flionheart 2011-09-14 03:32:19
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Intrigued to try this, I'll boot it up next time I have time.

How hefty is this? I might partition my drive...
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By Bismarck.Aselin 2011-09-14 03:39:29
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Oh forgot to mention the Task Manager.

I am absolutely in love with it. It's much more simple and intuitive than the one found in Windows 7 and earlier versions.

Using a 35 GB partition, a full Windows 8 x64 install looks to be relatively less than Windows 7 x64-- 12 GB (Win8) versus nearly 20 to 22 GB (Win7, mileage will vary on that though because it was nearly 20 GB on my computer).
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By Cerberus.Lightvision 2011-09-14 04:11:03
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you can set up with your live ID, you have to have an active connection to the internet to do that, i have the 64 bit with Dev tools on my main PC atm and use my live ID to log in np

Bismarck.Aselin said: »
Oh forgot to mention the Task Manager.

I am absolutely in love with it. It's much more simple and intuitive than the one found in Windows 7 and earlier versions.

Using a 35 GB partition, a full Windows 8 x64 install looks to be relatively less than Windows 7 x64-- 12 GB (Win8) versus nearly 20 to 22 GB (Win7, mileage will vary on that though because it was nearly 20 GB on my computer).

the x64 with dev tools version installs to 20Gb due to VS2011 and other stuff included

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No option that I've seen so far yet to change the green background. Another thing I'm trying to find out how to change.

there is something about style templates or something on the dev site, its changes since i downloaded everything

and yes its ALOT faster than windows 7, just think of this as windows 7 but faster smother and better with a little extra, tbh it seems pretty stable as it currently stands

i am having some 64 bit driver issue due to 1 video card manufacturer not developing 64 bit version for it but i just went 32 bit for now. software wise panda keeps linking to 2012 version i cant get 64 bit version of 2011 of them, really sucks since thats the only AV i use.

these 2 issues are basically out with MS controll, i just want the metro look but more non touch compatible and able to change the scrolling to vertical, also able to group items together or able to add folders, when you install a program ALL the shortcuts are added tot eh metro UI to the far right
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By Carbuncle.Flionheart 2011-09-14 05:04:23
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I'm pretty surprised tbh. Microsoft tends to follow a pretty rigid system of

Bad (Windows 3.0)
Good (Windows 3.2)
Bad (Windows 95)
Good (Windows 98)
Bad (Windows ME)
Good (Windows XP)
Bad (Windows Vista)
Good (Windows 7)

Through all logic, windows 8 should be bad D:
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By Carbuncle.Flionheart 2011-09-14 05:10:15
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Shiva.Haptic said: »
Is this it?

Meh, I guess I'll be with windows 7 for a long time...
I don't like this whole touch screen ***... I have enough on my phone.
PS: I know you can use mouse, but from the looks... looks like its build ground up for touch screen. Eh idk...

That looks like a lot of ***I'll end up not installing when I have the option with the installation of W8.

I just want a desktop, I don't care about apps. If I wanted apps I'd have a Tablet PC.
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By Leviathan.Catnipthief 2011-09-14 05:43:57
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Oh something new to try, might just do a fresh reinstall (again) to try this as I'm having trouble with this installation of windows 7 :x.
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By Cerberus.Lightvision 2011-09-15 13:36:43
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you can disable the metro style start menu

http://www.neowin.net/news/windows-8-how-to-re-enable-the-classic-start-menu
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By Bismarck.Misao 2011-09-15 14:00:13
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question is, would FF11 run on it?
lol (not that I have played in a couple months)
my desktop has been buggy lately, and itching for a full re-install, tempted to try this after some more feedback, tho the touchscreen sounds more of a pain that is useful, especially after eating Doritos or Cheetos.

nice post btw Ase
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By Lakshmi.Hypnotizd 2011-09-15 14:19:38
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Carbuncle.Flionheart said: »
I'm pretty surprised tbh. Microsoft tends to follow a pretty rigid system of

Bad (Windows 3.0)
Good (Windows 3.2) 3.2? Don't you mean 3.1 / 3.11?
Bad (Windows 95)
Good (Windows 98)
Bad (Windows ME)
Good (Windows XP)
Bad (Windows Vista)
Good (Windows 7)

Through all logic, windows 8 should be bad D:
This is exactly what I'm thinking is going to happen. That UI sucks and I fully expect this to be the next Windows ME.

Edit: The UI is ok for a cellphone or tablet, but keep that crap off my desktop.
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By Caitsith.Mahayaya 2011-09-15 14:21:11
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Lakshmi.Hypnotizd said: »
Carbuncle.Flionheart said: »
I'm pretty surprised tbh. Microsoft tends to follow a pretty rigid system of

Bad (Windows 3.0)
Good (Windows 3.2)
Bad (Windows 95)
Good (Windows 98)
Bad (Windows ME)
Good (Windows XP)
Bad (Windows Vista)
Good (Windows 7)

Through all logic, windows 8 should be bad D:
This is exactly what I'm thinking is going to happen. That UI sucks and I fully expect this to be the next Windows ME.

ME was an operating system? I thought it was some beginner programmer's clone of Win98.
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By Lakshmi.Hypnotizd 2011-09-15 14:22:41
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Caitsith.Mahayaya said: »
Lakshmi.Hypnotizd said: »
Carbuncle.Flionheart said: »
I'm pretty surprised tbh. Microsoft tends to follow a pretty rigid system of

Bad (Windows 3.0)
Good (Windows 3.2) 3.2? Don't you mean 3.1 / 3.11?
Bad (Windows 95)
Good (Windows 98)
Bad (Windows ME)
Good (Windows XP)
Bad (Windows Vista)
Good (Windows 7)

Through all logic, windows 8 should be bad D:
This is exactly what I'm thinking is going to happen. That UI sucks and I fully expect this to be the next Windows ME.

Edit: The UI is ok for a cellphone or tablet, but keep that crap off my desktop.

ME was an operating system? I thought it was some beginner programmer's clone of Win98.
Microsoft did a good job of sweeping that garbage under the carpet ;)
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By Caitsith.Mahayaya 2011-09-15 14:27:53
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Bismarck.Aselin said: »
Ok, so far...
  • Get ready to get used to it because Windows Live ID seems to be the default log in user name and password from this point forward. Windows 8 is now tightly integrated with Live services. This build however did not come with the integrated Live Messenger as shown in some screenshots. I am trying to figure out though if it is in this build or not especially since your user tile pic can appear in the notification area.

  • Metro UI is rather intuitive, seamless and makes the Start Menu seem dated, but... (see below)

  • UI decisions by Microsoft however make some things a bit longer or difficult to do now. For example, Shutdown/Restart/Sleep is now on a single button that's only accessible by hovering your mouse cursor over the Start button then hitting Settings.

  • UI however is all about putting more accessible items through a series of slides. This is pretty much the OS for normal everyday simple minded, non-techy people.



So, we'll probably have to get used to it sooner or later just like in those sci-fi flicks and TV shows.

Here's hoping these changes push the gaming market away from Windows executable to Mac or some mainstream Linux like Ubuntu. Especially since more and more people are going to Mac anyway, and the less techy people are getting rid of their computers for smartphones.
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By Carbuncle.Ianpyst 2011-09-15 14:31:27
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Bismarck.Aselin said: »
Ok, so far...
  • Boots up faster than Windows 7. A lot faster. From POST to Desktop, it's approximately 4 to 5 minutes for Windows 7 (non-SSD); compared to approximately 2 to 3 minutes for Win 8 Pre (non-SSD). Micros

  • It feels noticeable faster than Windows 7. Active processes have dropped a lot (145 to 200 in Win7 vs. 55 to 65 in Win8 Pre).


While I enjoyed your post and agree with most of your points of interest, I have to ask what kind of Windows 7 install are these two points about? For me, Windows 7 Ultimate has a boot time to an idle desktop of under 60 seconds (Non-SSD as well). And current processes with FFXI, iTunes, VMWare, and assorted other applications puts my total at 63 running processes.
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By Carbuncle.Flionheart 2011-09-15 14:35:25
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Caitsith.Mahayaya said: »
Bismarck.Aselin said: »
Ok, so far...
  • Get ready to get used to it because Windows Live ID seems to be the default log in user name and password from this point forward. Windows 8 is now tightly integrated with Live services. This build however did not come with the integrated Live Messenger as shown in some screenshots. I am trying to figure out though if it is in this build or not especially since your user tile pic can appear in the notification area.

  • Metro UI is rather intuitive, seamless and makes the Start Menu seem dated, but... (see below)

  • UI decisions by Microsoft however make some things a bit longer or difficult to do now. For example, Shutdown/Restart/Sleep is now on a single button that's only accessible by hovering your mouse cursor over the Start button then hitting Settings.

  • UI however is all about putting more accessible items through a series of slides. This is pretty much the OS for normal everyday simple minded, non-techy people.



So, we'll probably have to get used to it sooner or later just like in those sci-fi flicks and TV shows.

Here's hoping these changes push the gaming market away from Windows executable to Mac or some mainstream Linux like Ubuntu. Especially since more and more people are going to Mac anyway, and the less techy people are getting rid of their computers for smartphones.

Is this another implication that PC gaming is dying?
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By Ragnarok.Corres 2011-09-15 14:38:56
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Carbuncle.Ianpyst said: »
Bismarck.Aselin said: »
Ok, so far...
  • Boots up faster than Windows 7. A lot faster. From POST to Desktop, it's approximately 4 to 5 minutes for Windows 7 (non-SSD); compared to approximately 2 to 3 minutes for Win 8 Pre (non-SSD). Micros

  • It feels noticeable faster than Windows 7. Active processes have dropped a lot (145 to 200 in Win7 vs. 55 to 65 in Win8 Pre).


While I enjoyed your post and agree with most of your points of interest, I have to ask what kind of Windows 7 install are these two points about? For me, Windows 7 Ultimate has a boot time to an idle desktop of under 60 seconds (Non-SSD as well). And current processes with FFXI, iTunes, VMWare, and assorted other applications puts my total at 63 running processes.
same here very fast bootup. i dunno what Aselin has for a rig but Win7 is a lot faster than 4 to 5 minutes for bootup. if that really takes so long on your system Aselin i think you do something very wrong.
edit: and yes i mean from bootup to Desktop it takes for me about 1,5-2 minutes max. depends if i use custom ui.
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By Ragnarok.Hyshio 2011-09-15 14:41:27
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Bismarck.Misao said: »
question is, would FF11 run on it?
lol (not that I have played in a couple months)
my desktop has been buggy lately, and itching for a full re-install, tempted to try this after some more feedback, tho the touchscreen sounds more of a pain that is useful, especially after eating Doritos or Cheetos.

nice post btw Ase

According to someone on the Windower forums FFXI itself runs fine. Its Windower that does not. We plan to make this work as an exclusive 3.5 fix when more testing is done.
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By Caitsith.Mahayaya 2011-09-15 14:41:30
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Carbuncle.Flionheart said: »
Caitsith.Mahayaya said: »
Bismarck.Aselin said: »
Ok, so far...
  • Get ready to get used to it because Windows Live ID seems to be the default log in user name and password from this point forward. Windows 8 is now tightly integrated with Live services. This build however did not come with the integrated Live Messenger as shown in some screenshots. I am trying to figure out though if it is in this build or not especially since your user tile pic can appear in the notification area.

  • Metro UI is rather intuitive, seamless and makes the Start Menu seem dated, but... (see below)

  • UI decisions by Microsoft however make some things a bit longer or difficult to do now. For example, Shutdown/Restart/Sleep is now on a single button that's only accessible by hovering your mouse cursor over the Start button then hitting Settings.

  • UI however is all about putting more accessible items through a series of slides. This is pretty much the OS for normal everyday simple minded, non-techy people.



So, we'll probably have to get used to it sooner or later just like in those sci-fi flicks and TV shows.

Here's hoping these changes push the gaming market away from Windows executable to Mac or some mainstream Linux like Ubuntu. Especially since more and more people are going to Mac anyway, and the less techy people are getting rid of their computers for smartphones.

Is this another implication that PC gaming is dying?

Nah it's still strong. I just wish PC games would move off the "only Microsoft" scene.

My point is that sales for this new OS wouldn't be as high as previous ones because of non-techy people going to smartphones. Windows with a smaller piece of the total market(than they have now), and Mac/Linux with a larger piece of the market, games and applications would start to become more available to other OSes from a profitability standpoint.
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