Should Creationism Be Taught In Public Schools?

It's very easy to come up with many ways to explain things without having to prove them. The smartest people come up with crazy ways to explain what they see. Then they try and prove them vs beleive they are right without testing. It's very hard for someone to admit they don't know that answer, It's also scary for us to admit we don't know because we think we have an understanding on how things work.

I'm all for teaching all thoughts on every topic. However this needs to be done differently then. This is how it is. Or this is how it was. would needs to be done. Some people beleive this to be true and others beleive this to be true. Do your own research and make up your own mind. As both could be 100% true but there is no way to tell one way or another.

There are clearly many differences. I'm just arguing for the scientists who would tell you that, since none of them are here. >___>

According to a documentary I recently watched, that 1% seems to have an impact on everything from hair growth to problem-solving skills (Note: Chimps are bad at it, compared to humans).

A chimp can rip my face off with its bear hands, open car doors and climb trees with the greatest of ease.

Clearly they are more evolved than my frail human form.

Keep in mind that even scientists don't seem to know how much of our make-up is actually only one percent.

Are you saying we can't rip peoples' faces off if we want to?

Evolution is not magic. It doesnt just one day change every member of a species to something else. Different outside, environmental influences and time are the main factors in evolution, meaning chimps in one area may evolve and chimps in another location do not. Chimps today cant talk because they didnt evolve into human beings, they are still chimps, which should be obvious. As for an example of environment having an effect on evolution, ever wonder why asians look the way they do? Africans? I can assure you its not cause God wanted them that way.

Neanderthals, Cro-Magnon, etc are no longer with us for one of 2 reasons. Either they evolved over the course of time into the next step of evolution or they went extinct, for the same reasons as the chimps above.

I dont know how people can believe we just appeared one day with an apple and talking snake either.

Willing to wager most individuals couldn't but any run of the mill chimpanzee could.

If you literally mean "rip faces off," we do have the tools to do so. We grow fingernails and we have natural upper-body strength. We just typically aren't inclined to do so.

VERY LITTLE DIFFERENCE?

An argument can't be based on outside appearance alone. Certain traits of appearance between humans and chimps are, in fact, very similar.

And Clint Eastwood was probably a bad example, since he looks more like a chimp than most normal humans do.

I worked with monkeys for a few months two years ago. Eventually I had to stop because it was just too eerie seeing people on the bus do the same things that they monkeys did. Same expressions, same movements, etc.

When we look at monkeys on TV or something, we think: "Oh my! I do believe I know what that simian may be thinking!" Seeing humans make the exact same motion, from social deferral to rage, really puts it in perspective though.

People who doubt that we share common ancestors are idiots. The most logical of the skeptical crowd are those who see fossils, genetic similarities, behavioral similarities, social similarities, etc. as "tests of their faith." At least they have an explanation that is internally consistent, even if their reasoning is circular.

This was the subject of the documentary I mentioned. :3

Appearance is a lot more reliable factor than say...chromosomal evidence. Yeah, individual cheat codes that sculpt an individual's nature. /laugh. If chromosomes are real...I will cut my *** off, put it on a bun, eat it on a Saturday afternoon with some Jalapeno Pringles while watching Jeopardy, then regurgitate it and spread it on a hamburger made out of my balls.

It's reliable because it is readily available without extensive research. And since there are definitely chromosomes that at least determine gender, you should probably go do those things you said.

I believe chromosomes are a conspiracy invented by the left wing scientific establishment. They have propagated through the scientific literature purely based on hearsay reports and are now so entrenched that no one dares say a word against them.

...well, that or they're visible under most light microscopes in the right phase of cell division and your really just like eating ***.

It's gotta be one or the other.

lol I was going to say... in fact I still will.

Look, chromosomes aren't real. Neither are cells, or bacteria. Its so funny how you guys call out Christianity for being a myth when you guys are just being fed the new myth, science. Science is the new opiate for the masses, and its again being used as a form of control.

I am so sure of it, I'll up the ante. If science is real...I'll hit my own *** with a hammer.

Do you believe gravity is real?

Eh, he's obviously trolling now. He's disputing things that have been accepted as facts since the 18th century.

Don't we learn this stuff in chemistry and biology, and are given proof we can see with our own eyes?

Also, if you're already eating it, how can you hit it with a hammer? :D

To me, it's less about the religious argument and just a practical one.

An acceptance of evolution is absolutely required to have a competent background in biology or medicine, and skepticism towards the scientific process also does not bode well for a person's ability to excel in other scientific or technical fields in general.

The United States is the only first-world country that does not overwhelming accept the truth of evolution, and we have only been able to get away with it so far by coasting on the momentum of being the world's largest economy.

This is changing, though. As the US continues to hemorrhage jobs in unskilled labor and manufacturing, and other countries begin to overtake us in scientific and technical knowledge, we will be screwed if we continue to engage in the relative luxury of willful scientific illiteracy. Already we are seeing this discrepancy in the US, with the Great Recession overwhelmingly impacting "old economy" jobs while technical, medical, and scientific industries continue to experience explosive growth and hiring.

Eventually, our hand is going to be forced. The global economy will have spoken. And we will either have to embrace scientific consensus -- and not just in evolution -- or get left behind as other countries seize on the opportunities left open by our stubborn refusal to accept reality.

"A defining feature of human culture is storytelling. In lieu of a solid understanding of the world around us, we told stories of creation gods. As we have learned more about the world and the universe – religion has become redundant." – Unknown Source.

Religion does nothing but confuse children and damper higher learning possibilities by stifling critical thought. The cultural norms instilled by religious culture teach that defying truth in light of faith is a respectable cause, which is willful ignorance. In another time, that might be a respectable trait, but today it is a deplorable remnant of human history.

To the true trolls of this thread, you know who you are, I find your taste sorely lacking. It is fine to make light of these things, and even fun, but the zealous nature in which you're protecting it, over such a long period of time is... beyond a joke. It does show truths about your nature.

Once Jaerik posts, you know it's serious business. :3

Well, I'm sorry to Sev for laughing at his beliefs out of hand then.

You, good Flion, along with otherSerj are two of the biggest trolls on these forums(which I've got no issue with, its almost always hilarious), I'm pretty sure I'm even being trolled now!

Regardless, to Sev:

All that comic on Creationism addresses is the fact that creationism is so desperate to sound legitimate they'll latch on to any mistake real science has ever made and beat it like a child hits a Pinata.

Science is a constant process. As new evidence is uncovered and old evidence refined our definition of how things work also changes to reflect the new data. Thousands upon thousands of mistakes have been made over centuries of research, no one is going to deny that. A large portion of what we accept today as fact may indeed be wrong, and when evidence is uncovered that shows what we know is incorrect, we will change what we accept as fact.

Mistakes only improve our understanding of how things *actually* work, and are one of the most important parts of the Scientific method. Without them, we have no evidence to support other arguments along the path to truth.

The largest problem with Creationism is that it *cannot* be directly observed. In recent history science has observed the evolution of countless bacterium and viruses. Some have evolved literally before our eyes as new generations become resistant to medications and existing treatments. These mutations aren't always beneficial, and those that lower the longevity of an organism reduce the chances that they are passed on to the next generation. You might argue that we didn't DIRECTLY observe the evolution of monkeys into people, but thats because evolution on that scale takes hundreds upon hundreds of thousands of years. As mutations are passed from generation to generation, the very stuff a species is made out of begins to change from group to group. Some mutations and adaptations will occur in multiple groups, some are far more rare and will only be found in a specific region or group of beings.

These are all observable phenomenon. We have thousands of genetic samples from a multitude of species and we can look at dormant traits in ourselves and in others that provide evidence of common ancestry.

For example, we share less than 25%(I believe this is accurate, I was looking for a source to cite but tired of it) of our DNA with Daffodils, but more than 98% with Chimps.


Also, in regards to vestigial organs. The coccyx(or tailbone) is vestigial in that it has lost its original use as a balance stabilizer(in the form of a tail extending from the tailbone), but now preforms secondary functions such as anchor points for the muscles that aid in defecation amongst other things. This isn't actually a point for Creationists to attack, as it shows the evolutionary process. The whole reason the tailbone still exists at all is because it currently serves a function, whereas the tail itself no longer does(for Humanity). A better example of vestigial organs is the human appendix, which currently serves no function other than *possibly* aiding in the digestive process by hosting symbiotic bacteria. We know it once served to digest cellulose by our more herbivorous ancestors, as it is still functioning in other mammals.

There are many reasons why Evolution is accepted as fact, I haven't even touched the surface of it. And until Creationism can show clear and observable evidence to support their claims, it will continue being regarded as the misguided beliefs of the ignorant.

They use computers to alter the images. I mean, if they can make Transformers movie, then surely this isn't very hard to make.

I mean, wtf is that supposed to be anyway? DIS IS WEN DA CELLZ DIVIDE, herpderp. Yeah, I'll believe that ***when I'm dead.

"Accepted as fact" does not equal "fact". WHOOSH.

You might want to take a look at some stuff with a microscope. :P

the comic has something you haven't provided

sources.

i'm supposed to just take your word for all this?

who are you?

I do believe that it should be.....wait this is a troll thread?
/pulls a Sandolphon and starts pointless trolling completely negating my own post