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Should creationism be taught in public schools?
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By Asura.Arkanethered 2011-08-26 12:13:19
Only one source has facts to be provided. The other has misguided speculation at best.
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2011-08-26 12:14:07
That's not very nice.
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By Odin.Liela 2011-08-26 12:14:17
Well, since creationism isn't a science, at this point I don't think it should be taught in science classes. But many schools have a religious studies program, and those programs should feel free to teach creationism. I'd assume that if most parents wanted their children to learn creationism, though, they'd just take them to church. That seems like the easiest and most logical place to get that knowledge.
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By Phoenix.Sehachan 2011-08-26 12:15:07
Dunno how schools work in your countries, here we have a course for Religion, but it's optional and up to the student if joining or not. And that's the way it should be.
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2011-08-26 12:15:24
Religious studies are supposed to be taken out of the UK curriculum in the coming years. I don't agree with that at all.
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By Asura.Ina 2011-08-26 12:19:45
Facts are not a matter of opinion, if opinion is involved it is not a fact. Similar for religion, it is about belief not necessarily facts.
I don't know about schools else where but my high school did have a religion course as an option. I personally don't see a problem with a religion course under the condion that it covers all major religions in the one course as if they were individual religions then kids would be pressured to take specific ones by their parents.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2011-08-26 12:20:07
If creationism needs to be taught in schools, it should be under a religion or philosophy course where the texts can be discussed and dissected by the students with aid from the instructor.
The problem is that most individuals only want the monotheistic religions taught because the other belief systems don't have as great a following.
Science is far from perfect in explaining the nature of the world around us but it's far and away ahead of the myths perpetuated in ancient texts.
Fact, Evidence, Studies etc.
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By Asura.Sandolphon 2011-08-26 12:21:46
Hell no.
Creationism is in no way a viable alternative to evolution.
Its like: AS AN ALTERNATIVE TO GRAVITY LETS ALSO TEACH "FLOATY SPACE DOODLE MAGNET PHENOMENON".
Its absurd. There is no evidence for it. People that argue for it to be taught are being ignorantly difficult. Open your eyes, its 2011 for Chrissakes (irony intended), this God ***is getting old.
also, inb4 shitstorm.
By Nevill 2011-08-26 12:23:12
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »If creationism needs to be taught in schools, it should be under a religion or philosophy course where the texts can be discussed and dissected by the students with aid from the instructor.
Science is far from perfect in explaining the nature of the world around us but it's far and away ahead of the myths perpetuated in ancient texts.
Fact, Evidence, Studies etc.
Only problem I find with this is it is nigh impossible to find an instructor who would be unbiased in his/her dissection.
edit: Talking about the first sentence btw.
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By Phoenix.Mogue 2011-08-26 12:24:44
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2011-08-26 12:25:45
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »If creationism needs to be taught in schools, it should be under a religion or philosophy course where the texts can be discussed and dissected by the students with aid from the instructor.
Science is far from perfect in explaining the nature of the world around us but it's far and away ahead of the myths perpetuated in ancient texts.
Fact, Evidence, Studies etc.
Only problem I find with this is it is nigh impossible to find an instructor who would be unbiased in his/her dissection.
edit: Talking about the first sentence btw.
Oh, I agree fully.
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By Bismarck.Moonlightespada 2011-08-26 12:26:41
Idk but other countries but in the us it's Illigal, as in against the constitution illegal, but If they do they should also teach other cultures and religions views not just christianity or w/e. Some collages have courses already like this. I intact took a few on religion/ myth/ and the occult and believe it or not creationism was a big part in all of em. But the bad part about teaching it to kids in public schools is it will be forced on them as this is the only way even tho they say "it's not" due to the egoreligious culture we have developed over the years. So maybe as a senior course as an elective or w/e since most people artist age know better when hearing about it, and most high school teachers are more leaniant.
And the reason I said include multiple theories is that there is a freedom of religion in this country, same reason someone can worship a banana If they wanted lol so saying god or w/e created everything and other religions and myths are wrong whould be basically like saying 1+1=cat and 2 or X is wrong.. It's just not right lol and if I'm rambling meh bloop
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By Asura.Arkanethered 2011-08-26 12:27:07
Today's religious studies is tomorrows mythology.
Both wonderful electives to assist students to round out their knowledge base of how we have evolved as a species and world culture.
I agree that they should all be optional and available to students but should not be implied as fact. IE. Intelligent design.
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By Sylph.Maruraba 2011-08-26 12:27:45
Pretty much what everyone else has said: not in science classes.
In public schools, I actually think that world religion should be a required class that covers a wide variety of religions to expose children to different faiths so their views on world religion won't be so myopic. At least covering Christianity, Buddhism, Judaism, Islam, Hinduism, and yes, Atheism and Agnosticism. When I was a kid, we had units on religions from time to time in Geography and Social Studies classes and they were some of the most interesting things we studied. So, within the bounds of something like that, I see no problem with discussing creation myths.
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2011-08-26 12:28:27
So are you, clearly by the amount of times you've edited this post.
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By Phoenix.Mogue 2011-08-26 12:29:03
So are you, clearly by the amount of times you've edited this post. pot : kettle
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2011-08-26 12:29:32
So are you, clearly by the amount of times you've edited this post. pot : kettle
So edgy
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By Quetzalcoatl.Xueye 2011-08-26 12:29:41
In a religious class, yes. In Science class? GTFO!
I do think there needs to be a stringent policy on what needs to be taught in it, though.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2011-08-26 12:34:41
Today in religion class kids, we'll discuss that slavery is OK so long as you buy them from the nations around you.
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By Asura.Ina 2011-08-26 12:35:11
Religious studies are supposed to be taken out of the UK curriculum in the coming years. I don't agree with that at all. The option to study the history and basis of religions should exist but it needs to remain just that, an option. Regardless if you believe or not it has played an important roll in history no matter where you look in the world. However it belongs in the hisory/philosphy sections though not the science courses which is where most people seem to push for it to be taught.
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By Carbuncle.Lolserj 2011-08-26 12:36:37
The holy word of God should be taught in all courses.
Our children should learn what happened in the Bible when in history class. They should be taught how God made them in science class. Satan's math and biology along with chemistry should be thrown out. And the Bible should be the only literature taught in English class.
If we were to do this I am sure the schools to do this would get ahead of the rest of the world. I know America is lacking in public schooling at the moment, and I'm sure this system would put us ahead.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Xueye 2011-08-26 12:38:05
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »Today in religion class kids, we'll discuss that slavery is OK so long as you buy them from the nations around you.
Ugh, but Professor Wamouracampa, in the other religions we can enslave our own people!
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By Ragnarok.Ruklin 2011-08-26 12:38:28
I love it when flion posts a troll thread.
On topic, in the U.S. it's only illegal in the public school system. In the private school system it's very much allowed and practiced. Though I wouldn't be opposed to allowing a creationism course in our own public school system as part of a social sciences course, seeing as how most of the people on the planet believe in some form of creationism. Though I would expect it to be well rounded enough to include multiple views from several different religions. Not just a christian view of religion, but a course that touches on all major religions. Seeing how other people view the world can be very educational.
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By Asura.Squal 2011-08-26 12:40:48
In America it will never happen. Schools in the bible belt have tried and failed. As long as the Constitution is recognized as law there will be no creationism in public schools. The first amendment covers separation of church and state: "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof."
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By Ifrit.Eikechi 2011-08-26 12:40:48
On topic, in the U.S. it's only illegal in the public school system. In the private school system it's very much allowed and practiced. Though I wouldn't be opposed to allowing a creationism course in our own public school system as part of a social sciences course, seeing as how most of the people on the planet believe in some form of creationism. Though I would expect it to be well rounded enough to include multiple views from several different religions. Not just a christian view of religion, but a course that touches on all major religions. Seeing how other people view the world can be very educational.
This.. Very well said, and it basically covers it all. As long as its not a teacher preaching one religion, I'd be ok with it I suppose. Though I personally am more inclined to learn about the science of things, like evolution.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2011-08-26 12:41:01
Quetzalcoatl.Xueye said: »Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »Today in religion class kids, we'll discuss that slavery is OK so long as you buy them from the nations around you.
Ugh, but Professor Wamouracampa, in the other religions we can enslave our own people!

Well that's more efficient isn't it. Next we'll discuss that human sacrifices are the way to make the sun rise.
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By Carbuncle.Sevourn 2011-08-26 12:41:27
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By Asura.Sandolphon 2011-08-26 12:45:39
On second thought, why not.
The world is *** anyway. Let's just get rid of schools altogether, that would be good! An alternative to evolution means there must be an alternative to school. And to money. And to death.
smh
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