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The great debate: Casey Anonthy
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By Asura.Ericka 2011-07-17 16:11:44
I found this interesting.
Quote: Here's a quiz: Which names do you recognize?
Aja. N'Kiah. Tatianna. Brittany. Caylee.
All five girls had mothers who were charged with murder in their deaths. Yet it's likely that few people remember sisters Aja Fogle, 5; N'Kiah Fogle, 6; Tatianna Jacks, 11; and Brittany Jacks, 16. In 2008, when their decaying bodies were found in their mother's Washington rowhouse, their deaths weren't the subject of debate on national news programs.
The contrast to the story of 2-year-old Caylee Anthony, who also died in 2008, and whose face has graced numerous magazine pages and prime-time television specials, could not be more stark.
Banita Jacks, now 36, was convicted of her daughters' murders and sentenced to 120 years in prison. Casey Anthony, 25, charged with Caylee's slaying, was acquitted last week of the murder charge by a Florida jury; she will spend a handful of additional days in prison for lying to the police and is scheduled to be released Sunday.
A Google search revealed about 26,000 hits for stories mentioning Jacks, vs. more than 73 million hits, and growing, for Anthony.
How is it that the tragic death of one little girl could attract so much more attention than the tragic deaths of four sisters?
The easy answer is that the disparity in coverage is about race and class. Media critics argue that if Caylee had been black, she would never have received as much attention. There were indeed sharp contrasts: Caylee, white, from a middle-income home in suburban Orlando, in the shadow of Disney World; the Jacks sisters, black, from a lower-income neighborhood besieged by drugs and crime, just blocks from the Capitol.
Those differences may have played a part, but there were other reasons that Caylee became a household name and the sisters did not. The way the Anthony case unfolded in the courts, and especially the way the state of Florida handled the prosecution, has much to do with the outcry now in the court of public opinion.
imo, Casey is guilty. you don't go clubbing while your baby is missing whether you wanted the child or not. if the baby was that much of a burden, she could've given her up for adoption or to a family member. no excuse for killing your child.
There have been cases where a mother has killed her child/children because of a bad relationship/physical abuse and with the way our justice system is, death is the only escape from the nightmare. which i can understand but still find it to be wrong.
Casey Blamed her lying on being Physically abused as a child by her Dad, Which i still don't fully understand.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Xueye 2011-07-17 16:38:57
Ragnarok.Nausi said: Quetzalcoatl.Xueye said: Ragnarok.Nausi said: Quetzalcoatl.Xueye said: That article seems to be saying "*** it, you don't need conclusive evidence! As long as the evidence can be interpreted against the person we shouldn't care about anything else! Who cares about definite proof?"
As far as justice goes, you don't need a smoking gun to convict. You only need to prove guilt beyond a "reasonable" doubt. If jurors are expecting CSI type results then their expectations as quite unreasonable.
All I would have needed to hear is that her child was dead and she LIED to the cops about her disappearance.
So that proves that she herself slaughtered the child? Weren't they trying to get her on first degree?
I think many of my fellow FFXIAH-ers fail to understand the facts of the case.
A little girl is dead.
She didn’t kill herself.
The last person known to have seen Caylee Anthony before she died was her mother.
The girl’s body was found months after she died, wrapped in plastic and duct tape.
The same sort of duct tape and plastic Caylee’s remains were found in was also in Casey’s house.
The medical examiner ruled Caylee’s death a homicide but couldn’t give a specific cause of death because the remains had deteriorated so badly.
During those six months her daughter’s body was rotting in the Florida woods not far from her home, Casey continuously lied about what happened to her own daughter. For 31 days she kept her daughter’s death a secret, then for months she pretended she didn’t know anything about Caylee’s death or disappearance.
The trunk of Casey’s car had held a dead body at some point, according to forensic analysis. It also had a strand of hair taken (according to forensic analysis) from Caylee’s head after (again according to analysis) after she was dead. There was also evidence of the presence of chloroform.
In late 2008, not long before Caylee’s body was found, Casey’s attorney’s sent the police a 30-page document saying, after months of denials, that Caylee could've been poisoned by chloroform or she could have died while she was sedated.
Once it was time to go to trial, Casey suddenly claimed that Caylee had drown in the family pool but Casey’s evil molester-father forced Casey to hide the body and keep Caylee’s death a secret. There was never any evidence offered that Casey had been molested by her father, and the judge ordered the jury to ignore these suggestions made by the defense.
Casey’s computer was repeatedly used to surf websites giving instructions on how to make chloroform.
If Casey didn't do it then who did? If your responses are limited to someone somewhere could have kidnapped her when no one was looking then your doubts are UN-reasonable.
I think you fail to understand the justice system.
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By Caitsith.Zefiris 2011-07-17 16:39:27
Wiki said: Missing white woman syndrome (MWWS) or missing pretty girl syndrome is a vernacular term for the disproportionately greater degree of coverage in television, radio, newspaper and magazine reporting of a misfortune, most often a missing person case, involving a young, attractive, white, upper-middle class woman or girl.[1] This degree of coverage is contrasted with cases concerning a missing male, or missing females of other ethnicities, socioeconomic classes or physical attractiveness.
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By Ragnarok.Amador 2011-07-17 16:44:42
Our justice system has a flaw. A loop hole that is often accessible in murder trials.
If we only have a suspect, but logic implies that that suspect had motive and reason to commit the murder. We cannot prosecute based on those facts alone.
We must have unquestionable, solid, binding, and linking evidence to the suspect, and to the murder crime.
Because the corpse was too ravaged, too old, the evidence that would have been present to indicate signs of murder are no longer visible.
Therefore, Casey Anthony has walked free.
Is it right morally? Probably not. Should she deserve to die or remain locked away for the suspicion of killing her daughter? Lack of evidence proved no.
Would she get away with this in Latin America? Not a snow balls chance in hell, hang her.
Viva Me*ico!
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By Quetzalcoatl.Xueye 2011-07-17 16:46:10
And in Mexico by that rationale, an innocent women could have been hung because she had the same seran wrap brand in her house.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2011-07-17 16:50:13
Quetzalcoatl.Xueye said: And in Mexico by that rationale, an innocent women could have been hung because she had the same seran wrap brand in her house.
So let me get your opinion, Who killed Caylee then?
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By Leviathan.Angelskiss 2011-07-17 16:54:24
The justice system worked how it was supposed to. It is unfortunate that CAYLEE did not get justice, but you cannot convict on circumstantial evidence alone. For every murderer who walks free due to our legal system, thousands of innocent people are no longer wrongly convicted.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Xueye 2011-07-17 16:59:01
Ragnarok.Nausi said: Quetzalcoatl.Xueye said: And in Mexico by that rationale, an innocent women could have been hung because she had the same seran wrap brand in her house.
So let me get your opinion, Who killed Caylee then?
I don't know. I think her mother did.
But I can't prove it.
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By Ragnarok.Amador 2011-07-17 16:59:21
She got lucky. Those weren't tears of remorse when she got announced non guilty. Those were omg I'm free again tears.
You think a parent would care to walk free regardless when their kid was murdered? You think they'd smile and cheer?
Psychological evidence shows the hussy is a murderer, who wanted to get out of being a parent.
The justice system, while does have it's loops, is fair to that degree.
The psyche of a mother who cares for her child though, unless she was happy the child was missing, is that of one who may as well be branded for killing her herself. Let's not forget she was GUILTY of with holding evidence, and LYING to investigators.
So really.
Why would your story change? We know how to detect lies, we just can't prosecute by it in America, anywhere else, they sure as heck do.
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By Ifrit.Arawn 2011-07-17 17:00:11
The jurors did what they were supposed to. The only person you can blame for a not guilty verdict right now is the prosecutor. He acted like a total clown during the trial. He failed to link evidence directly to the supposed murder conclusively. He failed to pursue the correct charges with the evidence he had. He acted like it was an open and shut case and did not make the case correctly. To the jurors it seemed* there remained the doubt that she killed her child instead of neglecting to monitor her child which resulted in her death. Any of us claiming we know anything is ludicrous because everything we hear is 2nd hand.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2011-07-17 18:05:57
Quetzalcoatl.Xueye said: Ragnarok.Nausi said: Quetzalcoatl.Xueye said: And in Mexico by that rationale, an innocent women could have been hung because she had the same seran wrap brand in her house.
So let me get your opinion, Who killed Caylee then?
I don't know. I think her mother did.
But I can't prove it.
So why didn't Casey initially tell the authorities that Caylee was missing?
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By Quetzalcoatl.Xueye 2011-07-17 19:20:23
Ragnarok.Nausi said: Quetzalcoatl.Xueye said: Ragnarok.Nausi said: Quetzalcoatl.Xueye said: And in Mexico by that rationale, an innocent women could have been hung because she had the same seran wrap brand in her house.
So let me get your opinion, Who killed Caylee then?
I don't know. I think her mother did.
But I can't prove it.
So why didn't Casey initially tell the authorities that Caylee was missing?
Could be a number of reasons. Maybe cause she's crazy. Maybe she's schizophrenic. Maybe she was too damn scared.
Either way, as much as you want it to be, it's not proof of guilt. It's proof there's something wrong with her, with the situation, but not proof of murder.
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By Ragnarok.Amador 2011-07-17 19:34:12
Quetzalcoatl.Xueye said: Ragnarok.Nausi said: Quetzalcoatl.Xueye said: Ragnarok.Nausi said: Quetzalcoatl.Xueye said: And in Mexico by that rationale, an innocent women could have been hung because she had the same seran wrap brand in her house.
So let me get your opinion, Who killed Caylee then?
I don't know. I think her mother did.
But I can't prove it.
So why didn't Casey initially tell the authorities that Caylee was missing?
Could be a number of reasons. Maybe cause she's crazy. Maybe she's schizophrenic. Maybe she was too damn scared.
Either way, as much as you want it to be, it's not proof of guilt. It's proof there's something wrong with her, with the situation, but not proof of murder.
Maybe she killed her in one of her schizophrenic forms! Yes, this is it.
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By Bismarck.Nevill 2011-07-17 19:36:01
This was 12 people, who collectively decided that there wasn't enough proof.
That should mean a little something.
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By Bismarck.Eburo 2011-07-17 19:36:47
Leviathan.Angelskiss said: The justice system worked how it was supposed to. It is unfortunate that CAYLEE did not get justice, but you cannot convict on circumstantial evidence alone. For every murderer who walks free due to our legal system, thousands of innocent people are no longer wrongly convicted.
Amen. I'm surprised people are still bitching about this. If they really think Casey Anthony is guilty, they should just go and kill her. Case closed? Kthx.
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By Cerberus.Eugene 2011-07-17 19:37:56
Bismarck.Eburo said: If they really think Casey Anthony is guilty, they should just go and kill her. Case closed? Kthx. what?
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By Bismarck.Nevill 2011-07-17 19:37:58
Bismarck.Eburo said: Leviathan.Angelskiss said: The justice system worked how it was supposed to. It is unfortunate that CAYLEE did not get justice, but you cannot convict on circumstantial evidence alone. For every murderer who walks free due to our legal system, thousands of innocent people are no longer wrongly convicted.
Amen. I'm surprised people are still bitching about this. If they really think Casey Anthony is guilty, they should just go and kill her. Case closed? Kthx.
Someone already tried, had the wrong person.
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By Bismarck.Eburo 2011-07-17 19:55:26
Lol, that's disappointing. :/
BTW, by "they" I meant all of the internet heroes who are against Casey Anthony's verdict.
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By Leviathan.Angelskiss 2011-07-17 20:31:28
Bismarck.Eburo said: Leviathan.Angelskiss said: The justice system worked how it was supposed to. It is unfortunate that CAYLEE did not get justice, but you cannot convict on circumstantial evidence alone. For every murderer who walks free due to our legal system, thousands of innocent people are no longer wrongly convicted.
Amen. I'm surprised people are still bitching about this. If they really think Casey Anthony is guilty, they should just go and kill her. Case closed? Kthx. o.O what?
Eye for an eye leaves everyone blind. =(
Vigilante justice is not the answer either. If you pro-justice system you should be appalled at yourself for even suggesting this.
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By Bismarck.Nevill 2011-07-17 20:32:04
Leviathan.Angelskiss said: Bismarck.Eburo said: Leviathan.Angelskiss said: The justice system worked how it was supposed to. It is unfortunate that CAYLEE did not get justice, but you cannot convict on circumstantial evidence alone. For every murderer who walks free due to our legal system, thousands of innocent people are no longer wrongly convicted.
Amen. I'm surprised people are still bitching about this. If they really think Casey Anthony is guilty, they should just go and kill her. Case closed? Kthx. o.O what?
Eye for an eye leaves everyone blind. =(
Vigilante justice is not the answer either. If you pro-justice system you should be appalled at yourself for even suggesting this.
I believe that was a [sarcasm] moment.
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By Leviathan.Angelskiss 2011-07-17 20:34:36
Bismarck.Nevill said: Leviathan.Angelskiss said: Bismarck.Eburo said: Leviathan.Angelskiss said: The justice system worked how it was supposed to. It is unfortunate that CAYLEE did not get justice, but you cannot convict on circumstantial evidence alone. For every murderer who walks free due to our legal system, thousands of innocent people are no longer wrongly convicted.
Amen. I'm surprised people are still bitching about this. If they really think Casey Anthony is guilty, they should just go and kill her. Case closed? Kthx. o.O what?
Eye for an eye leaves everyone blind. =(
Vigilante justice is not the answer either. If you pro-justice system you should be appalled at yourself for even suggesting this.
I believe that was a [sarcasm] moment. One can hope, but with the radicals and crazies out there, it's best to be clear on one's words. As someone mentioned, someone was already attacked in an insane moment of vigilante justice.
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By Carbuncle.Akada 2011-07-17 22:09:08
I find this part pretty questionable..
If Caylee 'drowned' in a pool why was there traces of Chloroform found? >_>
Honestly, I really hope karma gets this woman for what she has done. I lived in FL when this case happened, and the ***that came out of this woman's mouth was ridiculous.
._. I honestly cannot believe she got away free. /sigh. This makes me lose faith in the justice system. >.<
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By Carbuncle.Akada 2011-07-17 22:11:24
Bismarck.Nevill said: This was 12 people, who collectively decided that there wasn't enough proof.
That should mean a little something.
Yes it does mean something. It means they picked the 12 most HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE people in Florida. -.-
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By Lakshmi.Feifongwong 2011-07-17 22:23:47
Carbuncle.Akada said: Bismarck.Nevill said: This was 12 people, who collectively decided that there wasn't enough proof.
That should mean a little something.
Yes it does mean something. It means they picked the 12 most HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE people in Florida. -.-
Nope it just means you're emotional!
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By Lakshmi.Feifongwong 2011-07-17 22:26:48
Carbuncle.Akada said: I find this part pretty questionable..
If Caylee 'drowned' in a pool why was there traces of Chloroform found? >_>
Honestly, I really hope karma gets this woman for what she has done. I lived in FL when this case happened, and the ***that came out of this woman's mouth was ridiculous.
._. I honestly cannot believe she got away free. /sigh. This makes me lose faith in the justice system. >.<
There wasn't chloroform found. It was a word that was searched on her computer. Do you even know what you're talking about beyond the rantings of Nancy grace?
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By Carbuncle.Akada 2011-07-17 23:08:32
Lakshmi.Feifongwong said: Carbuncle.Akada said: I find this part pretty questionable..
If Caylee 'drowned' in a pool why was there traces of Chloroform found? >_>
Honestly, I really hope karma gets this woman for what she has done. I lived in FL when this case happened, and the ***that came out of this woman's mouth was ridiculous.
._. I honestly cannot believe she got away free. /sigh. This makes me lose faith in the justice system. >.<
There wasn't chloroform found. It was a word that was searched on her computer. Do you even know what you're talking about beyond the rantings of Nancy grace?
Umm. First off, I don't watch Nancy Grace..
Second off, if they did not find traces of chloroform, then how did they know off the bat that chloroform was used on Caylee (Even BEFORE the searches were found on the computer..) and then duck tape was placed over her nose and mouth. Hmmm. I guess they must have just pulled that idea out of their *** and just assumed the chemical was used.
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By Siren.Stunx 2011-07-17 23:10:36
i wanna bang her, that is all.
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By Leviathan.Angelskiss 2011-07-17 23:45:37
Carbuncle.Akada said: Bismarck.Nevill said: This was 12 people, who collectively decided that there wasn't enough proof.
That should mean a little something.
Yes it does mean something. It means they picked the 12 most HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE people in Florida. -.- It means 12 people who were chosen by BOTH the defense and prosecution did their civic duty and found there was not enough evidence BEYOND a reasonable doubt.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2011-07-18 13:35:15
Quetzalcoatl.Xueye said: Ragnarok.Nausi said: Quetzalcoatl.Xueye said: Ragnarok.Nausi said: Quetzalcoatl.Xueye said: And in Mexico by that rationale, an innocent women could have been hung because she had the same seran wrap brand in her house.
So let me get your opinion, Who killed Caylee then?
I don't know. I think her mother did.
But I can't prove it.
So why didn't Casey initially tell the authorities that Caylee was missing?
Could be a number of reasons. Maybe cause she's crazy. Maybe she's schizophrenic. Maybe she was too damn scared.
See this is why everyone wants to wring the necks of the jurors.
Was it argued that she was a schizophrenic? No. Was it argued that she was certifiably crazy/delusional? No. Was it argued that it was an accident and Casey was to scared to come forward? No. Therefore for you or any juror to simply make up those senarios and give them enough credit to foster "reasonable doubt" when they haven't even been really argued is quite ridiculous. It's sad that you are so callous to the murder of a todler.
Hey maybe aliens came down and murdered OJs wife too right? Hey I mean the burden of proof is on the state right, and how can you reallyprove it didn't happen.
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By Carbuncle.Asymptotic 2011-07-18 13:36:54
Siren.Stunx said: i wanna bang her, that is all.
At least you don't have to worry about paying for child support (for too long)?
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Officially innocent, thoughts?
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