Spanking Of Childrens

what punches said.

also runing after balls into the street after being told not too.
beating up other kids in school. aka being a bully / defending someone else and urself is ok.
if u are a boy, rape will get yo *** *** up.
not coming home from a party will get you *** up. aka breaking night
ur friends telling u its ok to smoke weed and drink will get ya both *** up.

i spent some time as a child in D.R they had this thing where in school if u missed behave the teacher would whoop that *** then the teacher would tell the parents and both parents would whoop that ***. no one miss behaved in school :D

Dominican Republic, yes a great place for civility and human rights...

It makes sense why he pushed for the 3 hit Zanshin build, efficiency or you get your *** whooped.

And there it is as I was expecting. Let's start the insults cause I can no longer find ways to refute your arguments.

I only have one last question for you Jet simply because I refuse to argue and be brought down to your level.

Hypothetical situation. You are a parent of, say a 2 year old. Your 2 year old has started on your "socialization trips" and out of the blue decides to start hitting a playmate with a toy bat. Never done it before with anything in any other similar situation with another item even resembling a bat that he/she has played with. I'm not speaking of the accidental swing and miss the target, I'm referring to the full out walk/run up to someone, twist around, and let 'er rip swinging. How are you going to discipline your child in that situation.

I ask only because I want to see what your "advanced enlightened approach" is.

there's too many options to consider, however spanking them is definitely not one of them.

Go schedule an appointment with a shrink.

punch him in the face cause its the same as spanking him right?

lulz

First of all spanking is and always will be subject to controversy as to whether it qualifies as physical abuse which I think after 8 or 9 pages (was 8 when I started typing this) we can agree on.

When the time outs didn't work, when taking away the toys didn't work, when the grounding didn't work, when sitting me down to discuss what I did wrong & why it was wrong didn't work (hello...stubborn and testing the boundaries), only as a last resort a swat or two to the rear. I only ever made it to that last one a couple times in my childhood, the first time it happened it hurt, both physically/emotionally but as I grew up I understood why it was done.

Would I spank my children, no idea, don't have any as of yet and everyone I know that has had children has gone through major changes in life, in how they act, how they respond to things, everything changed with them, so I can't say one way or the other if I would and I won't know until that time comes and neither does anyone else that doesn't have children. If you think you know, you're only showing how naive you really are.

No amount of experience with children (teaching, counseling, daycare, etc.) can prepare you for having one of your own, because every single child is different and you have no idea how you're going to react to a situation until it happens, sure you can prepare for most of the major things and have a plan of action but you can't plan for every single possible situation all the time...unless of course you can predict the future, which would be impressive.

My thoughts on the debate in regards to Corporal Punishment vs. Abuse

Corporal Punishment: involving pain, not designed to cause injury.
Abuse: involving pain, designed to cause injury.

Yeah, both of them involve pain (which isn't always a bad thing), I get that but I do believe that there is a difference between the two, which is why you have gray areas in the countries/laws for corporal punishment.

Oh, no no no. Hit him with a real baseball bat, because that's exactly the same and just as bad as a light spank on the behind, right?

Proved my point for me, thanks.

yea go for it Mr. money bags you spring for that $300.00 a pop i got a family to feed. little timmy will lear it this way

why are you hitting them?
its wrong to hit people.
how would you like it if tehy hit you?
o you wouldnt well dont do it again.

that is the simple way of doing it no voliance. but as we know if your a parent of s child. they look around to see if your watching. then they hit them again. and we start round 2.

didt i tell you you shouldnt hit people?
then why are you doing it?
thats not a good reason.
let me show you how it feels.
o you dont wnat me to then dont hit them any more. dont hit people.

flash farward a hour and your whooping his /her butt casue possitive reinforcment doesn' always work with children. every child learns diffrently. and in ther own way. some are head strong and refuse to learn. and since when thy pop out they dont come with 100% perfect directions. you learn as you go and you learn as a parent waht makes them focus and do as ther told. even if they dont like it. its for ther benifit.

as a father of 2. sometims they go out of there way. t osee how far tehy can push your buttons. think of it as a young lion testing the aplha male for leadership of the pride.

a shrink yea right. you give me the money for a shrink.

its easy for peopel to judge you for your actions as a parent when they only see a split second dessision they see. not knowing the 4 billion+ dessisions you make daily for that child. all the times you have seen them do thing s and the diffrent methods you use to try and guild them in the direction tehy need to be as a responscale adult.

my son loves toy guns. nerf guns squirt guns were his favorite when he was 1-5. he always had one with him. i suedto have a nerf tornado . for the playing withte dog. i would shoot htem he would bring them back. my son would often shoot the TV and pictures and everythign had little suction cup marks on them. o of course we would make him clean it but hes a kid you haveto give him slack some hes 2 come on.

well after watching tv showes and cartoons. he wantedto be a cop. he would yell "FREEZE and shoot you with his guns. we tried to teach him it wasnt rightto point guns at people. guns are dangerous. you can hurt people. well over time you dont think anything aboutit. and he picked up that nerf tornado gun. and my best friend was asleep on my couch. my son walked up cocked it. put it right to his nose and pulled the trigger. it broke his nose.

so i took every play gun he had and i took him out back and i made him break every one of them. and i wouldnt let him have one for the longest time.

fast farward when he was 8 he wanted a nerf magnam revolver nerf gun. i purshaeded it for him and reminded him of the rules. he agreed. and we were sitting at the house. my friend came back over . picked up the gun. pointed it my son and shot him witheh gun. my son walked over took the gun away. slaped him on the hand and said. your not supposed to point guns at people. and put it up.

your lack of ability to care for your family isn't an excuse to abuse them.

more lulz

Skywarp really needs to take more time writing his posts >_> Really needs to use spell checker as well lol

I agree with spanking kids myself, I can't count how many I received them when I was younger, many times to the point I had bruises all over at times, however I respect and thank my parent's for correcting me, I know I deserved what I got all except for a few situation's which one of my parent's would attempt to punish me for just them being in a bad mood in which my other parent disagreed with.

haha wow. Jet seriously needs to host a talk show. He could be the next Dr. Phil(unlicensed pretend doctor who has all the answers).

my family is taken care of very well. my son it #1 in his class. graduating 2 years early from high school and has asperations of being a video game designer. if what i did was abuse. it hasnt effected our standing as a family and we get along very well. one of his dreams is to get rich and buy me a fancy car and house. hes been encouragedto persue his dreams every day of his life.

so i belive waht ive done has worked. so hate on hate on.

he will never do this, might as well be using sign language to a blind person. They won't get the message either.

He held this line 4-6 months ago and he is not going to change. He thinks what he does, and everyone who does not think that way is a violently abusive person.

To me there is a fine line between between 1 - 3 light pops on the butt (depends on severity or persistance of the problem) and lifting the child off the floor with each swat. If you are using anything but the open palm of your hand on a behind it is abusive because you can do damage. Anything done in a fit of anger is wrong, as well as,"wait til you <insert name> gets home".This does not work on children under 5-7 because they forget what it is they have done wrong. If they are over 7 a spanking is inappropriate anyhow. The child is old enough to be reasoned with and there are other methods of discipline available.

If you are not giving warnings before spanking, then you are disciplining wrong. The child should be aware of the consequences of their behave Before recieveing any kind of discipline. A spanking out of the blue with no prior communication is setting yourself up for failure. When they are little try to keep to 1-3 really important behaviors. 1) No means NO, not maybe, not go ask someone else, it means NO, and a child as young as 1 years can be taught this.(this is why relatives have to be included cause grandma and grandpa can screw up months of work in one weekend visit). 2) do not hit, kick, bite or hurt other ppl. 3)Do not whine or talkback to mom/dad.
Trying to reason with any child under 2 is fruitless because they do not have the abillity to comprehend what you are saying. BUT if you are persistant time-outs can be started at about 2 yrs old. You have to be persistent and both parents, babysitter, and any relatives who are arround the child are aware of the "rules" or this Will Fail.

The average chilld can understand what words mean at about the age of 9-12 months. They can't say them yet but they understand,teach them NO at that age and you will have a lot less trouble later. They do communicate though, with hands, expressions and body movements, pay attention to these and the terrible 2's might not be so terrible.

On further notes my mother works for one of the hospitals for children who have behavior problems (although they deal with kid's from abusive situations, kid's who have done things I won't speak of to their parent's and others *Edit and many other situations*) so I hear about many, many situations and it's safe to say your abusing your child by not correcting them properly.

Good stuff, obviously from lots of experience. I agree with all the above. Feel free to disagree, I'm simply saying I agree with Halfpint's methods.

nope make him smoke the whole pack then he'll learn...wait what?

Wow, a lot of people feel strongly about this. I've got three kids, 8, 6, and 4. They get spanked when absolutely necessary. I was spanked. It's a form of discipline that children easily grasp. That said, I save it mostly for the times when they put themselves or another person in physical danger. I.e. my youngest hit his sister in the mouth with a rock and busted it open, not necessarily on purpose, but because he was disobeying me and throwing rocks. He got his *** smacked.

But of course I'm not that soft, and I have three kids to contend with. Many people who disagree with spanking have no kid, or one, maybe.

Nail==>head

Also a few more notes some of these kids have killed their behavioral instructors and teachers, or even sent them to the hospital with serious injuries and because of the laws protecting children the instructors and teachers cannot defend themselves in any way form or fashion, all they are allowed to do is lock the child in a hold position and if a kid goes and lies and accuses a instructor or teacher them of something they didn't do and they weren't on camera they lose their job.

These are both normal and kid's from abusive situation's.