Spanking Of Childrens

I don't see the whole defenseless argument. It wouldn't be in their best interest to try to fight back anyways, lol.

I wonder what is truely the point of arguing with everyone on this topic, do you hope to accomplish something? This isn't a case of you're right everyone else is wrong.

This is a case of no one has been wrong yet on their own percieved views on child rearing, if people want to spank their children go ahead, I was spanked by my father, I hold nothing against him now because he never crossed the line into abuse and that's what is important.

Jeta also is correct in that you don't have to spank a child, if he one day has children and doesn't wish to use spanking as a form of discipline then go ahead if you think it'll work and it does then fine.

The problem and many people have pointed this out is that spanking is not abuse, it's a light tap on the arse, anyone who has been spanked will tell you it barely hurts at all and I know it let me know when I'd done something wrong.

but hey, to you, those are the exact same thing.

Such as spanking and punching being the same.

spanking is violence...

I have some experience in dealing with children, however as previously mentioned the "have a kid then talk" argument is fallacious.

As far as when it's considered abuse, yes. I was speaking from other persons viewpoints.

I find both to be horribly wrong, there was a day when both were completely acceptable (still are in a lot of places), now some people have gained some civility.

I'm merely saying to go a step further.

But grouping everything as "violence" is a slippery slope.

In that sense, jay walking is as bad as beating your child because both can be categorized as breaking the law.

depends, are they both the same class of misdemeanors?

however child abuse usually gets your children taken away, child endangerment (via jaywalking) could do the same..

However it's not grouping, it's by definition violence.

Sure, sure. Ok pal. I'll go right down to the hospital and start telling all the doctors and surgeons how wrong I think they are even though I've never set foot in a medical school too.

I'm not going to argue with you Jet, it's pointless. You refuse to see any point other than your own. I'm not going to tell you you're wrong, because I don't have to; you do a damn good job of showing it by yourself. Keep living in a box with your head in a sand, we know how big and scary the world outside your house is.

I'm speedily realising that Jeta got beaten as a child, probably by a priest.

I'm sorry that you are so deluded into thinking so, seek help.

research:

http://www.naturalchild.org/jan_hunt/tenreasons.html

http://www.neverhitachild.org/hitting.html

Spanking and punching wouldn't give you the same class of misdemeanor/felony

assault is assault, unless you can find it in general law as to a distinct difference, I'm going to have to disagree.

Well with the limited amount I know about Jet's life from reading here and there on the boards I have to assume spanking your children can't be that bad terrible of a thing to do... I mean Jet is clearly the most outspoken person here against physically disciplining children and he has himself said that his mother had struck him before... Now I'm not exactly sure how old Jet is (21?) but he is over 18 and still lives in the same house with his mother (correct me if I'm wrong)... Now if you looked at someone as a person who had abused you throughout your life (his mother in this case) I would think you would want to get out of there as fast as you could... Plus it seems like you have a fairly comfortable life as you're able to play games, and browse the web at your leisure (at least it seems that way)... Not really even arguing the opinion on whether it's right or wrong just that it can't be that bad for you to continue to choose to live with someone you consider an abuser... And its not like you seem like your someone whos actually afraid to leave this person or any similar situation like that...

As for physically disciplining kids its a slippery slope... its probably best to stay away from it but idk I got spanked as a kid and I turned out fine and I love my parents... I have to say though it seemed to only have a really small window of effectiveness...

Man I'm wondering why I even bother to argue with Jet on anything these days... I'm waiting to hear "Illogical" or "My way of life is superior to yours so you and all your children should be wiped from the face of the earth as you are holding me and the smart ones back" I should have learned my lesson by now but oh well...

One may get you a different charge than assault. You may get assault for one and battery for another.

both could get you either...

My point you aren't likely, but even if you were, won't always get the same charge for spanking a kid and punching a kid in the face.

Psuedo Science!

Not completely, no. People hold their ideals tightly when they have not actually faced the situation, and yet I've sen people crumble and abandon what they held dearly when faced with a difficult situation... You'll grow up one day Jet and realize that you don't know everything about everything... disagreeing and having different opinions is a great thing... the problem with you is that you go beyond that and tell everyone else that they are wrong and possibly horrible and should have themselves and their way of life wiped off the face of their earth... you pretty much insult everyone that disagrees with you or you don't see as an acceptable response... a little respect can go a long way...

Again with the "you'll learn" argument, seriously lose it.

As for calling people wrong, they are. As for them disappearing from earth, you like most others misunderstand what I mean. Or rather how I expect it to happen, you don't comprehend.

Respect is earned, not given. People who abuse their children, and the other groups of people that I do not respect, don't earn respect, they deserve the exact opposite of respect.

So, the "other groups of people you do not respect" is pretty much anyone who disagrees with you? Gotcha.

No there's several people I respect that disagree with me.
Chaosx comes to mind in this instance

However there isn't many.

People who abuse children, do not get respect.
People who try to replace logic with faith do not get respect.
etc

There's a few people that agree with me (in general) that I don't respect.

Like the op in the http://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/22829/atheists-the-new-theists thread, first half I agreed with (didn't listen to the whole thing) but I don't respect or even like that guy.

This is why you fail. Life is learning, you never stop learning. ESPECIALLY when raising a child. You could take classes and lessons for years and never learn it all. Every child is unique, and every situation unique as well. If there was one tried-and-true method for child rearing that worked 100% of the time and didn't involve spanking, trust me, we'd ALL be doing it right now.

You talk in absolutes, while raising a child is nothing but gray areas. You HAVE to be ready to change on the fly and adapt. Otherwise you'll just crumble under the weight of your preconceptions.

I follow this outline pretty much

aren't many?

It doesn't really matter if you want to go kill them yourself personally or you think that their stupidity and lack of intelligence will wipe them off the face of the planet for you... The fact that you think yourself and those of like mind to you superior, especially with having nothing to show for it, and wishing that billions of people would die off makes you no better than some terrible people that have walked before you...

You are right in that respect can be earned but the respect that is earned goes far beyond the common respect you should show to those generally around you... The level of respect I refer to is the kind that should be given to anyone that you see even walking by you... everyone should show and give a general level of respect to anyone... I can certainly say you've earned little to no respect here at least...

Edit: respect is given too gotta give respect to earn it...

Maybe I'm wrong Jet but it doesn't seem like you've really done anything with your life and yet you still feel your superior and able to determine and convey everything that is right and wrong like this world is black and white...

my bad, was in TN for half a week, must have rubbed off.

By definition, smarter people are better than dumber people. Again you misunderstand though, I never said I want them to die off. I want their kind gone, whether that is by them dying off or them changing their ways, idc. Eventually the majority will go to that point, I just wish they would hurry.

As for the respect you speak of, I disagree.

Also you are wrong, and there are some things that are definitely wrong, child abuse is one of those things.