Spanking Of Childrens

the exact reason as to why it's abuse.

Also not legal in a lot of areas now, and those areas are increasing, slowly but surely.

Spanking doesn't work and it only fosters mistrust and fear. I have two children and would never strike them for any reason.

On the subject of shooting someone who merely trespasses on your property in Texas, there are many conditions that must be met to mount an affirmative defense. If you care, those conditions are here.

Shoot someone merely for stepping foot on your property if you choose to, but be sure you have a rather large amount of money available for your defense fund.

I honestly thought about the home schooling thing myself. Then I realized that without interaction with other kids their age etc they would loose out on a lot of development as a person. Not to mention immunities to various viruses etc.

Personally I equate your wishing "ignorant people" to vanish off the face of the planet to someone wishing "those people" would vanish too. Racism without a specific race being targeted is still racism. Ignorance can be corrected with knowledge and education and we all know you can't fix stupid.

I hate to agree, yet disagree at the same time... how is it mistrust and fear? I understand fear.... but they would fear doing wrong because of the consequences of their actions. Yes, in the case of spanking, they are fearing that they are gonna get a pat on the rear from their parents... but still, in any situation... any grounds of punishment will make them fear the wrongdoing REGARDLESS.... if its an efficient method of punishment. Telling little 'Jimmy' that you are taking away something they like for a length of time DOESN'T ALWAYS WORK. Quite simply, they either A) Find another source of entertainment, B) Go play with friends and then get the source of entertainment anyways, or C) Beg and cry, making YOUR life a living hell till you give it back. Spanking tends to be efficient because the punishment is swift and immediate. Was I spanked as a child? Occasionally... did I learn that I didn't want to do anything wrong? Yes.... so spanking does work.

As for Mistrust.... WTF are you talking about? How are they gonna mistrust you? If you use the idea of them not coming to you in fear of getting spanked... then that is just stupid. If they are fearing getting spanked, they A) Did something wrong or B) are afraid of you because you do it to the point of abuse. Spanking is acceptable, but when its necessary... not just whenever you feel like spanking them.

Edit: I will add that I don't have kids of my own, but I still have my rights to post my views. Take them as you wish.

You're trying to call what I said racism...wow..

For starters just because one wishing a particular kind of person would vanish from the earth, it doesn't imply that they want to go on a crusade to kill them.

Secondly nothing in what I said implied racism, "child abusers" aren't a race.

However on your last note, education and knowledge (and time) would effectively (for the most part) stop the kind of abuse I'm speaking of, effectively wiping them from the planet.

As for the home schooling, there's plenty of other ways to get them to be sociable without subjecting them to the lack of a proper education, and the immunities you speak of can just as easily be picked up by other, more controlled means.

And fear of being put into time out, or whatever your chosen form of punishment doesn't foster fear? Personally even growing up I trusted that if I was in danger my Dad would always protect me and that he always did what was best even if I didn't like it or understand, no mistrust there. And u darn well know he spanked my you know what if I deserved it. I was never afraid of him either. Leather belt with the buffalo nickles stitched into it and all.

As I implied before, every child is different. You can be assured if time outs worked for my daughter I would never have raised a hand to her. Parents that take things to the extreme because they fail to control themselves hell yes it's abuse.

parents that feel the need to raise their hand because they have lost control are the abusers, in every method, whether it be a spanking, a belt or a beating.

You are the adult, try to act like one.

I said "equate" no where did I say "it is" or "you sound like" I said "I equate it to" Here let me help you. Equate is defined as to regard, treat, or represent as equivalent according to dictionary the key part being "to regard, treat, or represent as equivalent"

As far as the "lack of proper education" the school system is not solely responsible for your children's education. As a parent you are even MORE responsible. Your lack of comprehension on my use of the word equate would make me ask about your qualification to teach your children should u have them and be homeschooling them.

I can't help but hope there isn't a mail order cold virus web site out there so u can expose your kids to viruses "in a controlled" environment let alone other sicknesses every kid gets going to school be it public or private.

Yet again here is where yours and my opinion differ slightly. While I would agree with your statement about raising a hand while not in control, I have to disagree and feel that a parent which is IN control would not be abusive. Personal experience again. If I'm so angry at my kids that I even think for a moment that I may respond in a way that is greater than the response needed they are sent to their room so that situation DOESN'T happen.

Parents that "ground" their kids for a week or so, are they abusive (no)? Versus the parents that forced their kid to live in the bathroom (yes)? There is a distinction between abuse and punishment.

Admittedly too many parents do not know that distinction, but to blanket statement that "ANYONE" who raises a hand or other item to their child is abusive only shows your own ignorance on the topic. LOL I've used a simple paper ball as a "Hey that's wrong" (and it worked)

edit for quote fail.

5 pages, and I'm not surprised by the direction it went.

ITT:

Isn't it legal in America to have a gun, AND use it against someone who trespasses on your property?

America. Ok to shoot people. Ok to order LARGE amounts of food, and a diet coke (But not water...?) Ok to use massive 4WD's to go to work. NOT ok to smack your kid when they're naughty.

Awesome.

My son is only 15 months old but is a big/strong boy already (my partner is 6'5 so I guess he won't be a short *** like me!) and I know I am going to have many hurdles to overcome in the future.

For me, spanking will be an absolute 'last resort' punishment when he is older - if he ever did anything that bad. I'd like to think that we will never end up in that situation though. I think it would upset me more than him.

He was trying to push over my 50" tv yesterday and kept smiling when I said no. Then he blew a kiss at me... always pulls out the big guns when he knows he is doing something naughty!! Gets that from me ;)

Children, along with adults get to learn their boundaries of what they can and cannot get away with; and some get a kick out of testing their limits and pushing the envelope which in turn can give somewhat of a power trip. This "trip" in most cases cannot be undone verbally, reasonably, or logically. It works like a trance and often takes quite simply, a slap upside the head or a slap in the *** to bring you back to the weight of reality.

Put simply: When words cannot reach you, a hand always will.
It's not always the wisest choice, nor the most ethical, but it remains an option for good reason and as any other course of action, is circumstantial.

Think this is relevant again.

And it always will be.

My baby girl is 17 months old and I agree, it will be a last resort for me as well. She doesn't really do much to get in trouble right now but I know that that won't always be the case. Of course it is always best to try other methods first but that does not always work. Again, as a last resort, I find nothing wrong with a swat on the bottom or hand. (I would never condone using any kind of object though)

I'll give you all the obvious summary of this topic that we all knew from the very beginning when we saw it frontpage:

"it depends"


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Pretty much what mostly everyone else said, it depends on the situation and I don't think it's a bad thing.

I got smacked all the time by my Mom, but only when it was necessary. Not just "spanked", but I'm talking the whole mexican experience; Sandals, belts, etc. etc.

I don't hold a single thing against my Mom for how she raised me or my siblings, cause that's what made us the successful, independent people we've become. I see so many kids present day who are spoiled rotten brats because their parents refuse(d) to discipline them when words are ineffective. I see 11+ year old kids acting like they're literally 2 years old, or teenagers acting like babies, grown men and women acting like children.

I don't condone abuse or beatings at all, but there is no way anyone could ever persuade me into supporting a completely hands-off discipline approach.

I was spanked when I was a young boy. Puts the fear of god in you so yea it works.

I'm with Powerslave on this one... "Spare the rod, spoil the child". Its an old saying, that is certainly the truth about life. I was spanked and such as a child, ONLY WHEN I got out of hand (fighting with my brother or w/e). It does work... Its not abuse if its not taken to a very extreme level... The state of NY even says its within the law to hit your children as a form of discipline...and thats all it should be..... DISCIPLINE. Its quite the effective method though.. Anybody ever see that Dave Chappelle bit with the difference between white and black families? Discipline is covered and its pretty funny, but also true. "Time Outs" don't always work lol

Just to clear this up. It's illegal to shoot someone for trespassing in your property. It's never been legal to shoot someone for destroying or trespassing on your property.

It's only legal if the person trespassing attempts to kill you. In which case you would shoot at the person in self defense.

Meanwhile, @Tigerwoods


Just as planned...

You gotta help us Doc we've tried nothing and we're all out of ideas!

This always reminded me of Darki's position, lmao.

That was very helpful =D
Spanking doesn't sound bad. I've seen Raenryong spank a lot of mithra, never saw them complaining though!

...not!

hitting a defenseless child is wrong, no matter if you call it punishment or if it's not in anger, either way they're a fraction of your size and have no way to defend themselves.

as for Bizarro, you're severely wrong, on all points, and apparently mildly delusional, you may want to go seek help.

I never said "try nothing" but physical abuse (hitting a defenseless child is abuse, no matter the reason) is going way too far and too barbaric of a method to raise children.

Most parents apparently lack the ability to properly raise children without the need to resort to violence, this is a severe problem in the world.

I don't see how they're defenseless. They are, but how does it factor in to anything here? How is taking away privileges from someone defenseless really any different?

It's not abuse unless it's actually abuse - more frequent or too strong. If anything, it teaches kids to be defensive in life.

Those saying 'violence' isn't a proper way of raising a child - what the hell, every generation before us has been 'violently beaten' and... oh ***, founded the greatest countries in the history of the world.

There's something called progress and human rights, learn that they usually aren't things that happened in the past, typically are things you move to.

I pointed out that the last time this thread came up that several countries in the world have already outlawed it, or are close.

Considering there's places in America still allow teachers to hit children, not to mention parents. I don't expect the idea of banning it here will be popular for some time. Especially since a large portion of our nation is filled with ignorant fools who don't know any better.

Hitting a child because either they need to be punished, you feel the need to maintain superiority or because you feel they need a smack, it doesn't matter it's all abuse. Unfortunately too many people consider abuse as a proper form of discipline. Hell I know too many people that still like to beat their children, and I don't mean a simple spanking.

Someone who cannot see the difference between a spanking and flat out violence, who sees no gray area, only black and white, worries me much more than anyone who simply keeps their kid in line. Especially when said person has ZERO experience in the field they attempt to project such an absolute opinion in. Have a kid, spend a few years raising it, then come back to us.

Only a Sith deals in such absolutes...