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Spanking of childrens
Carbuncle.Tweeek
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By Carbuncle.Tweeek 2011-06-20 18:10:50
I hate this argument again nothing new out of this one from the last one.
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By Lakshmi.Feifongwong 2011-06-20 18:12:42
Bahamut.Jetackuu said: zahrah said:
You demonized practically everybody here who had a differing opinion!
Many of the parents here have said a tap on the butt does the job. You say that even that abuse. You are exaggerating. Are you even a parent?
I demonized them because they are or are in support of abusing children, not because their opinion is different. Popular sure doesn't mean right. I am not exaggerating, violence on a child is abuse, spanking is violence. No I am not and it is irrelevant.
Spanking is not violence, debate it. You can't, you are incapable of debating. All you do is spout the same crap until everyone gives up even trying to have a rational discussion with you. That does not mean you have won the debate and certainly does nothing to prove the higher civility and morals you claim you have and wish to see in others.
Bahamut.Jetackuu
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2011-06-20 18:21:46
spank
1 /spæŋk/ Show Spelled[spangk] Show IPA
–verb (used with object)
1.
to strike (a person, usually a child) with the open hand, a slipper, etc., especially on the buttocks, as in punishment.
–noun
2.
a blow given in spanking; a smart or resounding slap.
World English Dictionary
violence (ˈvaɪələns) [Click for IPA pronunciation guide]
—n
1. the exercise or an instance of physical force, usually effecting or intended to effect injuries, destruction, etc
(in before somebody tries to call into the italicized.
spanking is violence,
Bahamut.Jetackuu
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2011-06-20 18:22:24
there's no debating it, it's fact that it is. I'm sorry that other people (apparently including you) are so ignorant of said fact that I have to bring it up.
Ramuh.Krizz
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By Ramuh.Krizz 2011-06-20 18:28:29
Whether or not it's abuse is an opinion. I don't think there's any doubt as to your opinion on the matter. Chill with the holier-than-thou attitude.
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2011-06-20 18:30:38
Bahamut.Jetackuu said: there's no debating it, it's fact that it is. I'm sorry that other people (apparently including you) are so ignorant of said fact that I have to bring it up. Wrong, you are so ignorant! psh... lol....... If you could only understand what us intelligent people are saying!
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By Lakshmi.Feifongwong 2011-06-20 18:31:45
Bahamut.Jetackuu said: there's no debating it, it's fact that it is. I'm sorry that other people (apparently including you) are so ignorant of said fact that I have to bring it up.
It isn't a fact and it is open for debate. That was the topic of this thread. It was being debated until you came in here spouting your usual misguided opinions and derailed the thread. I'm sorry that you are to dimwitted to see that.
As for your definitions, spanking is hardly equivalent to using physical force. If an adult really intended to hurt or injury a child they wouldn't be giving them a light tap on the butt.
You really seem to be confused between a punch to the face and a light tap on the most padded area of the human body. But I don't blame you. You are obviously to ignorant and slow to see this. Your massive ego with no justification is proof of your lack of intelligence.
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By Phoenix.Leglevant 2011-06-20 18:40:20
Corporal Punishment (spanking): involving pain, not designed to cause injury.
Abuse (not spanking): involving pain, designed to cause injury.
No one spanking their child, in a case where you are disciplining your child, is intending to cause injury, thus corporal punishment is not abuse (in the simplest sense of both words).
Now if you want to make it more complicated then go ahead, but every state/country that has attempted to rid itself of corporal punishment, has done so with so many gray areas that it proves the point that it's all a matter of opinion and open for debate.
In the end, we are all wrong and we are all, also very right. Each child requires a different set of rules to abide by, both as the child and as the parent.
Bahamut.Jetackuu
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2011-06-20 18:48:11
By strict definition, I'll have to disagree with that Krizz,, as well as with what my attitude is portrayed as. I will not respect people who blatantly promote abusing children with their misguided attempts at claiming it's constructive.
Spanking is physical force, I can't believe you're actually trying to deny that.
Spanking (as with all other physical force used to inflict trauma on a child) is abuse.
As for the "different child different rules" then, what will you do when your child doesn't react to spanking then? will you beat them? because that's the next step.
I prefer to never go into the area that is abusive to children, (most of you) like to stop at the door, claiming it's enough.
Spanking is an archaic method used by barbaric people.
Ramuh.Krizz
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By Ramuh.Krizz 2011-06-20 18:50:08
Your problem is you don't have any respect for anyone who doesn't see eye to eye with you. You can't even display some common courtesy. Seriously, cut out the attitude.
Bahamut.Jetackuu
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2011-06-20 18:51:43
Also as for corporal punishment, that category far expands spanking, it includes beatings, whips, belts, paddles, and any other physical discipline.
I'm not saying it's not a form of discipline (as it is, by definition) however It is still abuse.
Ramuh.Urial
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By Ramuh.Urial 2011-06-20 18:52:49
Ject.
You must be physically disabled form the neck down....because everyone else I know has the ability to adjust the amount of force they use when swinging.
Just sayin'.
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2011-06-20 18:53:32
Ramuh.Krizz said: Your problem is you don't have any respect for anyone who doesn't see eye to eye with you. You can't even display some common courtesy. Seriously, cut out the attitude.
That just simply isn't true. As I said, it has nothing to do with whether they agree with me or not.
Ramuh.Krizz
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By Ramuh.Krizz 2011-06-20 18:54:02
Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Ramuh.Krizz said: Your problem is you don't have any respect for anyone who doesn't see eye to eye with you. You can't even display some common courtesy. Seriously, cut out the attitude.
That just simply isn't true. As I said, it has nothing to do with whether they agree with me or not. You're mistaken in that you think this is a debate. If you cannot have more courtesy towards other posters, then leave until you can.
Carbuncle.Frazee
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By Carbuncle.Frazee 2011-06-20 18:55:48
Ramuh.Urial said: Ject.
You must be physically disabled form the neck down....because everyone else I know has the ability to adjust the amount of force they use when swinging.
Just sayin'. I was thinking this same thing...
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By Cerberus.Liandaru 2011-06-20 18:56:10
I'm all for lively debate, but when one person can't even see the other side of the fence...
Jet you don't have kids. Maybe you should stay out of a topic that involves the rearing of children until you find some poor woman unlucky enough to spawn the fruit of your misshapen loins.
Bahamut.Jetackuu
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2011-06-20 18:57:31
Cerberus.Liandaru said: I'm all for lively debate, but when one person can't even see the other side of the fence...
Jet you don't have kids. Maybe you should stay out of a topic that involves the rearing of children until you find some poor woman unlucky enough to spawn the fruit of your misshapen loins.
There isn't another side of the fence to see.
And again your argument about "wait and see" is again fallacious.
Ramuh.Krizz said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Ramuh.Krizz said: Your problem is you don't have any respect for anyone who doesn't see eye to eye with you. You can't even display some common courtesy. Seriously, cut out the attitude.
That just simply isn't true. As I said, it has nothing to do with whether they agree with me or not. You're mistaken in that you think this is a debate. If you cannot have more courtesy towards other posters, then leave until you can.
I wasn't debating you, I was saying you were mistaken.
Ramuh.Krizz
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By Ramuh.Krizz 2011-06-20 18:57:54
Asura.Skorn
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By Asura.Skorn 2011-06-20 18:58:52
I wish I was this cool.
Edit: Without the topic ban though.
Bahamut.Bizarro
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By Bahamut.Bizarro 2011-06-20 19:03:59
Ramuh.Krizz said: Topicbanned. As I read the ah forums I find that more and more Krizz in a non-brokeback mountain type fashion I <3 you.
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By Siren.Skywarp 2011-06-21 07:05:43
Ramuh.Krizz said: Topicbanned. /cheer
thank you very much sir.
in a age of physical atonomy and lack of human contact. peopel devolope digital personas that their untouchable. and able to say and do as they wish with no way of being punished... topic banning him was like spanking a child. a form of punishemt i bet hes saying it is abuse right now lol. when all of us jsut wantedto take a belt to his read. until he learned he has to play well with others and not keep all the toys to himself.
but thank you very much.
to spank or not to spank. like nike i say just do it.
i also think one should live responsoibly.
and with great power comes great responsibility.
good morning FFXIAH.com
Lakshmi.Seoha
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By Lakshmi.Seoha 2011-06-21 07:09:57
wow it seems I missed a lot recently... since 8 pages ago.
Time to re-read!
*edit*
oooooooooh I get it...
so it's basically "blablabla I'm right you're wrong, deal with this fact for the rest of your life" 'till topic ban. Sounds pretty childish D:
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By Lakshmi.Feifongwong 2011-06-21 07:17:17
Lakshmi.Seoha said: wow it seems I missed a lot recently... since 8 pages ago.
Time to re-read!
*edit*
oooooooooh I get it...
so it's basically "blablabla I'm right you're wrong, deal with this fact for the rest of your life" 'till topic ban. Sounds pretty childish D:
Well that is typically Jeta's way of doing things. Take a look at the 2nd post in the thread.
Lakshmi.Seoha
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By Lakshmi.Seoha 2011-06-21 07:18:33
Guess Flion's post pretty much resumed the thread. Aside that it was just kind of like talking to a door?
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By Lakshmi.Feifongwong 2011-06-21 07:19:57
Lakshmi.Seoha said: Guess Flion's post pretty much resumed the thread. Aside that it was just kind of like talking to a door?
Most of it.
Oh, I guess it was the 5th post, but I think you got the point.
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2011-06-21 07:25:17
wha...
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By Odin.Blazza 2011-06-21 07:26:12
Not gonna read 13 pages, did we find out whether or not Jetacku was spanked as a child?
I know I was, I turned out ok (I guess that's open to debate). I don't have any strong memories of being spanked, although I know I was, so I guess I must have deserved every single one of them.
Lakshmi.Seoha
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By Lakshmi.Seoha 2011-06-21 07:28:23
I was spanked in the arse a lot when I was a kid!
But I turned out a fine and beautiful (AND normal) girl you see! So everything's a-okay!
So, was having this debate on whether spanking is still an applicable technique or not in these times on facebook and wanted to drop in and see what XI thought on the matter.
Always
Sometimes
Only when you really feel its necessary
Never
Or anything in between.
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